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Arab Spring map

Hi,

I think that the map should be changed to include the Libyan Civil War, and perhaps also some change in Yemen--MiguelMadeira (talk) 21:56, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

February 2023

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March 2023 GOCE drive award

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		This barnstar is awarded to Remsense for copy edits totaling between 1 and 3,999 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE March 2023 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Dhtwiki (talk) 02:53, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Cameroon is

Hey there, I am originally from Cameroon and we identify ourselves as both West and Central Africa due to our history and cultures linking us to both regions. From an economic perspective, it is central due to its association with the central African community, but from a cultural historical, and geographic perspective, it is both. Cameroon is the crossroads of both west and central Africa. There is nothing nuanced about this. Teeyawiki (talk) 11:04, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

We would really appreciate your input to start a discussion on Talk:Cameroon. I certainly take your word for it in terms of cultural identification, my quibbles are simply in the realm of 'pure geography', as it were. It's really nice to have editors from places that are sorely underrepresented on Wikipedia, so I appreciate your input heavily. Remsense (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

"Geographically" it is very subjective. You may see it as central, whilst another may see it as western, and a third person may view it as west/central. Central Africa is a UN designated identity that has everything to do with the economic and political association of the country, and nothing to do with the historical and cultural attributes of the said country. Simply sating Cameroon as Central Africa without highlighting the geopolitical connotation is very inaccurate, relegating, and vague. The UN classifications of North Africa, West Africa, Central Africa, East Africa, and Southern Africa, all transcend their geopolitical identities during conversations amongst Africans as their cultural and historical contexts always seem to be tagged to these designations. Teeyawiki (talk) 16:04, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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UK but U.S.

Hi there! I saw you moved the List of U.S. state topics to List of US state topics. Americans typically abbreviate the country name with periods, which is a legacy of the U.S. Government Printing Office manual of style among other things. I know the good people of the UK style theirs with no periods and in international articles it would make sense to wipe the periods for consistency, but since the lists on the page in question all use U.S., I think the move is probably unwarranted in this case. Let me know what you think. Best, jengod (talk) 19:31, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh! I was referring to MOS:US, which used to say that US was normative over U.S., but it appears to have changed in the interim. I should probably revert those moves, in that case!

As for my personal opinion as an American and based on my engagement with sources throughout my life, U.S. feels distinctly old-fashioned and ceremonial compared to US, but I'm not sure how long that's been the case for people my age. Remsense (talk) 19:41, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Short description dates

I see you've edited the short descriptions of a lot of monarchs. Unfortunately, as set out in WP:SDDATES, "from" and "to" should be used for dates of reign, whereas a date range in brackets implies dates of birth and death. I've reverted the last few such edits you made; I'd appreciate it if you could self-revert the rest. Thanks, Rosbif73 (talk) 14:10, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

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Regular expression

Hi, how can I use regular expression in Wikipedia? JackkBrown (talk) 22:39, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi! Right, so when you click edit, does it look like the top image or the bottom image here? You can use regexes with either, but they're located in different places. Remsense聊 22:41, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@Remsense: I use both visual and non-visual modes, but mostly visual. JackkBrown (talk) 22:45, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, In the visual mode, with the normal find and replace section (if you don't see it, type Ctrl+F), there's a toggle that looks like (.*). If you turn this on, you can type regexes into the find input box, and it will replace based on those instead of regular strings like it usually does.
So, for example, if you wanted to replace every other capitalization of "Denominazione di origine controllata" with only the correct version, you would end up typing [Dd]enominazione [Dd]i [Oo]rigine [Cc]ontrollata in the find box, and Denominazione di origine controllata in the replace box. With regexes, the [] means it picks one of the options inside the brackets, so either D or d will be found if you search for [Dd], for example.

Then, hitting Replace all would change the spellings of all the results it found in the article, so you need to be careful when decapitalizing, for example, because a word might come at the beginning of a sentence and just hitting Replace all would decapitalize it, etc.

The wiki article on regular expressions is actually pretty bad at teaching people new to the concept what they are, so i recommend trying out a tool like https://regex101.com/ where you can paste text in and experiment with matching it, and how regexes work and don't work. Remsense聊 22:57, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@Remsense: thank you very much, I will have a look tomorrow. JackkBrown (talk) 23:37, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Sure thing! I know it is fairly technical but it is an excellent tool once you get used to it. Remsense聊 23:38, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Provinces of Italy

Obviously the amount of work would be exaggerated, even though I have corrected no less than 107 articles. What I would like to propose to you is if you could help me transform all the "Provinces of..." (example: "Province of Pordenone", article already corrected by me) into "province of..." (example: "province of Pordenone", with lowercase), obviously including all the municipalities of all the provinces; unfortunately, there are at least 30 municipalities for each province, which in total makes, at least, 107 x 30; I don't want to scare you, but it's a job that needs to be done, and I could use your help. You will find all provinces within this article: Provinces of Italy. Thank you very much in advance. JackkBrown (talk) 00:40, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

I will take a look! Remsense聊 00:51, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Links to draft articles

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You've misread. The Draft History of Qing is the common name for a draft document compiled during the 1910s and 20s, and not a draft article on Wikipedia. The link was there well before my recent edits, as a germane subject of the article. Remsense聊 20:03, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

December 2023

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Rapid tagging

Hi, I keep seeing your name pop up on my watchlist tagging pages with {{cleanup-lang}} without like doing any cleanup on the articles. I've seen you a lot in the Chinese history topic area, so I know you can help. I think it would be kind of you to do some of the cleanup if you feel like it's an issue.

Fifteen or twenty years ago, we didn't have the templates to call out specific scripts, or there was no guideline to place them consistently, so older articles are usually going to need language tagging cleanup, and I hope it's not your intent to find them all this weekend. Kindly, Folly Mox (talk) 20:19, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh, this is at least half for my own collation so I can circle back around to them at some point! I've already chewed through tagging a lot of important articles in this vein (i.e. Chinese characters, Chinese language, Yue Chinese, Hokkien), and I'm trying to rig AutoWikibrowser to use the categories to help automate the tagging process. I hope it didn't come off as performative in any way, I'm just trying to be smart about being able to get this accomplished, and if anyone else wants to help out that's great too :)

But no, I'm not going to tag all of them, I just figured I'd create a medium sized batch to chew through next! 💚

Remsense聊 20:26, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok that's a relief. I was hoping the project was for something like that. Thanks for being responsible about it ☺️ Folly Mox (talk) 21:51, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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January 2024

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Thanks! Remsense诉 23:07, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Remsense诉 23:07, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks! Remsense诉 23:12, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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Large monolithic edits

Hi Remsense. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but I really wish you wouldn't bundle up huge edits like this – it makes it extremely difficult for other editors to see what's going on. I'd encourage you to make incremental edits to the target article (with edit summaries for each part) instead of batching them up elsewhere. Kanguole 23:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I apologize. If anything, I started doing such because I felt bad about spamming peoples' watchlists, plus being self-conscious about errors I make in the process of editing—but I realize I've very much over-corrected. Thanks for letting me know! Remsense聊 23:48, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I get lots of spam on my watchlist from bots and people fiddling with spaces, capitalization of templates and so on, but I don't think of content edits, like you do, as spam. Kanguole 23:59, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate it. If you want, I can revert the monolith and re-add it in chunks explaining what I did for each section. Remsense聊 00:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

No need. I'm happy to look forward. Kanguole 00:33, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Xian Y-7 etc.

Hi, as per my comment on WP:RMTR, just wanted to discuss the close at Talk:Xian Y-7. The proposed move doesn't seem to conform to WP:COMMONNAME, I can hardly see it in any sources, so IMHO it should not go ahead. Please could you relist or otherwise give a rationale for the decision to move? Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 19:49, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I've done so. Remsense聊 19:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

History of printing

By any chance do you have

• Shelagh Vainker in Anne Farrer (ed), "Caves of the Thousand Buddhas", 1990, British Museum publications, ISBN 0-7141-1447-2

as it seems likely to be more authoritative than the Cunningham book I cited? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 20:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

I have tracked down a few sources for this book, including a copy you can borrow on the Open Library. If you would like another full copy of this book, please feel free to email me. Remsense聊 20:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

TYVM, don't know why that didn't occur to me as I've used the Open Library so heavily for other articles. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 14:23, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't help, unfortunately, it is just a catalogue of the cave discoveries.

History of printing in East Asia also says 220 BCE but without any citation. The next sentence cites

• Tsien, Tsuen-Hsuin (1985). Paper and Printing. Needham, Joseph Science and Civilization in China. Vol. 5 part 1. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-08690-6.
• Suarez, Michael F.; Woudhuysen, H. R., eds. (2013). The Book: A Global History. Oxford: Oxford University Press. p. 574–576. ISBN 9780191668746.

but the OL doesn't have either. Google has the cited pages from Suarez & Woudhuysen, which gives the earliest date as 6th century. It doesn't have Tsien. I'll just have to hope that Cunningham used a reliable source, not Wikipedia, but I have to say I'm concerned. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:09, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

User:JMF, Internet Archive have a copy of Science and Civilization in China 5.I at here (free registration required). Page 8 talks about "taking inked rubbings from stone" inscriptions, but dates it to the 6th century CE, not 220 BCE, suspiciously equivalent to the Qin unification (which I suppose is non-suspiciously the terminus ante quem non of the Qin Stone Drums, a known target of transmitted rubbings). I haven't gone farther in depth trying to verify the sentence in the lead of the linked article, but I'm wondering why taking rubbings from inscriptions on durable materials is considered "printing" but making inked markings using inscribed seal-stamps isn't? Anyway good luck. Folly Mox (talk) 17:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

thank you Folly! If you need anything more JMF, lmk Remsense聊 17:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

thank you Folly from me too! I must have asked Archive.org the wrong question as it denied having that volume.

It is certainly arguable that a rubbing is a kind of printing in that there is a single master and multiple copies can be taken from it. As But it is not printing as is generally understood, where the master is inked and pressed onto the receiving material. As Tsien explains

(iv) Inked squeezes and stencil duplication
Rubbing is a process of making inked squeezes on paper from inscriptions on stone, metal, bone, or other hard-surfaced materials. The process of stone rubbing is very similar to that of block printing; the difference lies only in the methods of engraving and of duplicating. Except for very few cases, inscriptions on stone are always cut into the surface in intaglio with characters in the normal positive form. When a rubbing is made, the paper is laid on the stone and squeezed against the surface. Ink is applied to the surface of the paper, thus producing a white text on black background. The wood block, on the other hand, is always cut in relief with characters as a mirror image. When a print is made, ink is applied to the block, the paper is placed on it, and the back of the paper is brushed to obtain a black text on white background. Although the basic materials for engraving and the end products are different, the purpose of making duplications and the use of ink and paper as media are the same.
The technique of rubbing involves the processes of laying the paper on stone, tamping the paper into the intaglio, applying ink to the paper, and removing the paper from the surface after completion." The whole process is much more complicated and slower than that of printing.

— Tsien, page 143

See also lithograph.

My concern is that there is a recent Chinese nationalist tendency to claim prior art for anything, evidence and world-wide-view be damned (see nine dashed line, for example). Cunningham is co-published in China, so I'm wary. WP:VNT has its limits.

• Cunningham, James (2021). The Chinese Invent Printing. Crazy cool China. New York, Beijing: Rosen Publishing, Sinolingua. ISBN 9781499469233.

But Tsien gives the detail that was probably wrangled to support the Han Dyasty claim

The use of stencils was another pre-printing method for duplication. The stencil was usually made of a sheet of thick paper perforated with needles to form the designs to be reproduced. The stencil was laid on the surface and the design was transferred by applying ink to the perforations. The date of the earliest use of the stencil is unknown, but the recent discovery of silk fabrics printed in coloured patterns from the Han tomb at Ma-Wang-Tui, Chhangsha, indicates that the technique can be traced back to the —2nd century. Animal skin or thin silk fabric treated with varnish or some other tree sap may have been used at this time, and certainly such a use of skin and paper was common in the Thang and Sung. Several paper stencils with perforated designs of Buddhist figures have been found in Tunhuang, together with finished stencilled pictures on paper, silk and on plastered walls (Fig. 1109); other paper stencils of later dates already in museums were used for the reproduction of designs on textiles.

— Tsien, page 146

and that is definitely not printing. So I believe that the problem is solved! Thank you again both. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 20:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Your signature

Your signature is quite disruptive. In forums such as Wikipedia:Teahouse it stands out, catches the eye, draws attention. These are all unwelcome things for other users. Just as wikipedia does not carry adverts, wikipedia users should not change their signatures into what is, in effect, an advert. Please consider changing your signature back to a normal sized signature. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:30, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

My apologies. I've attempted to be within what I perceived to be acceptable norms as detailed on WP:SIG. I'll either figure out how to make it acceptable to more people, or I'll stay out of places like the Teahouse where it's causing a disruption. It is exactly a normal size for a signature, but I understand what you mean.
I think it's silly to call it an advert, though, and I'll stand up for myself there. Remsense聊 19:55, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

WP:Other stuff exists but I can't see what caused Tagishsimon to pick your sig for denunciation and ignore the rather more lurid example in WP:Teahouse#Sub heading problem a little earlier on the page. And neither would figure in the Signatures Hall of Infamy, there are many more eyeball-threatening examples.

Furthermore, Wikipedia:Signatures#Customizing how you see your signature has an example that looks like yours (though rather less restrained than yours). I guess that what Tagishsimon is the guidance at WP:CUSTOMSIG/P, which says A distracting, confusing, or otherwise unsuitable signature may adversely affect other users. For example, some editors find that long formatting disrupts discourse on talk pages, or makes working in the edit window more difficult but as the guidance stands at present, it is not obvious that yours contravenes it. Unless it is visually disturbing to a class of readers (for example, red on green), when it would violate MOS:ACCESS but if so, it is not one I've come across. (BTW, I see no advertisement either.) --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 13:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

The custom sig is hardly "disruptive". Custom sigs with racecars and flags and nationalist mottos and three long separate links for talk, contribs, and etc, or exhortations to lend a hand at the editor's pet project, or cannot be typed except by cooypaste, or don't represent the editor's username in any fashion: those are disruptive. I'd include sigs set in Comic Sans or Papyrus if I had either of those typefaces installed. Remsense's is fine, and Tagishsimon is overstating their case. If one or two more people complain, then it's worth changing. Folly Mox (talk) 14:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

For the record, I have slimmed the vertical height of the signature down a pixel, because the way it interrupted line height did bother me, but I've decided not to otherwise alter it, per above. Remsense聊 20:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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The only reason it was in mainspace is because Wiki policy does not allow non-free images to be used in other namespaces. Could you please undo the move? I cannot, and there is a list of sources I was going to use on the associated talk page. Remsense留 16:08, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

What is your rush to have an image on the draft? The article as it exists now is not suitable for mainspace, and would be better at home in a user sandbox or draft space. Currently, you have 4 empty sections on the article. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 20:01, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I just wanted to get it out of the way so I could check the infobox off. I wouldn't make an article in mainspace to let it linger in an unacceptable state for any period outside my direct attention. Articles are often briefly in unacceptable states, it should be acceptable shortly. I appreciate the new page patrol work of course, I'll be more careful in the future to make it more clear that the article is going to be rapidly put into place, like by adding the list of citations. Remsense留 20:08, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I was going to draftify this, but saw it had already been draftified. However, why did you move it back mainspace? You could have actually made it fit for mainspace by, you know, making it verifiable, but instead you reverted the draftification with no changes to the state of the "article". Building an article is what draftspace is for. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

It is due to the non-free image. But my choices at the moment are to potentially create copyright problems, or otherwise spend more time fussing with the infobox rather than drafting the rest of the article.

Having this experience now, I will wait to add them to new articles so these issues don't crop up. Keeping in mind I don't expect people from new page patrol to implicitly trust me specifically to not leave it in this state, but everyone who's viewed the page in its present state has been from new page patrol. It does not seem like a more significant problem than the copyright one to me. Remsense留 21:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Edward-Woodrow, this is not a rhetorical barb, I'm genuinely curious what I should think. What utility does the {{under construction}} template have if articles such as these that it is attached to should be immediately removed from mainspace? I think "creating" should be omitted from that template if I'm understanding the norm. Remsense留 21:53, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I was actually just thinking about that. The template is useful for restructurings, major edits or rewrites that might leave parts dangling or poorly-organized, or creating an article in chunks – it's sourced fine, but all the information isn't there, one still needs to get the infobox error sorted out, and all those other little problems. It isn't for drafting an article. I think that leaving completely unsourced articles with empty section headers around in mainspace is unduly disruptive to the reader's experience. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 22:00, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree, my point is just a pragmatic one, as you know. Remsense留 22:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Personally, I think this is a matter of the order of operations then. If non free use imagery can’t be used in draft space, simply add that image then once the rest of the article is done. There’s no need for that to be the first and only thing completed on a main space article. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 12:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Aye. Live and learn! Remsense留 15:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

thanks

thanks. want to be friends? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheesemaster12 (talk • contribs) 05:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Cheesemaster12, I'm everybody's friend!
I also looked at all the edits you've made so far, and just so you know: it is usually not helpful to say an article is too long, we have rules about length and generally make sure articles are as long as their subject requires and not too long. Those rules are here, if you'd like to read them.
Also: if something really big is missing or present on an important article, it is probably (though not always) backed up by a lot of reliable sources, so I would look at those if you are wondering about something like the Billy Goat Curse, or whether Einstein struggled in elementary school. They're the little numbers like ^[1] that you can click on, they tell you where a piece of information was referenced from when the sentence was written. Wikipedia does not allow people to make stuff up or do original research, everything has to be said in some reliable source. Remsense留 05:19, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

November 2023 GOCE drive award

		The Modest Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Remsense for copy edits totaling over 4,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE November 2023 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Dhtwiki (talk) 09:23, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

DYK for History of Qing (People's Republic)

On 8 December 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article History of Qing (People's Republic), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Chinese government began compiling an official history of the Qing dynasty in 2002, but as of 2023 a protracted political review is forestalling its publication? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/History of Qing (People's Republic). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, History of Qing (People's Republic)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

transformed characters

Since the stupid encryption protocol upgrade of December 2019, the only way I can view or edit Wikipedia at all from home is by a circuitous and indirect route which involves using a non-fully-Unicode-compliant tool. When I edited the Language Ref. Desk recently to fix a typo in the word "realization", using public WiFi, I saw the Chinese charcter in your signature then, but it was completely invisible to me when I was editing Talk:Sinosphere from home (and I had no control over what the non-fully-Unicode-compliant tool would do to it). I often take measures to avoid foreseeable problems this might cause, but if I have no idea that there is a problem, then I don't know to try to avert it... AnonMoos (talk) 07:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

It's no significant issue, I really was just curious if you knew why, and thank you for letting me know! Don't worry about it at all: if I'm talking to someone that might want to click on it, I can simply readd it quickly. Cheers! Remsense留 10:16, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, you have taken some interest in the past, since my page under construction is considered too detailed, do you know how to make notes easily, I can offload some details into notes for verifiability and the more interested reader. FourLights (talk) 17:14, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

List of non-standard dates

I just wanted to add that what I removed also wasn't a specific date. It isn't consistent at all with the other entries. Knowledgekid87 (talk) 06:27, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Naming convention about Taiwan/ROC(Taiwan)

Regarding naming convention about either Taiwan/ROC(Taiwan), per the discussion in Talk:Alexander Yui, and also I had looked about WP:DRN#Republic of China (Taiwan),
User:CCL2023 is fine with Republic of China (Taiwan) about nationality/citzenship, I would like to ask if this is Ok. if this is feasible? Thanks. --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 12:42, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@Cat12zu3

Thanks so much for your help. CCL2023 (talk) 12:50, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi all. Just want to point out that this is an unneeded and potentially confusing reference. Ultimately, Republic of China (Taiwan) links to Taiwan, and the main article is named so due to years of discussion and deliberation. You wouldn’t reference William Jefferson Clinton in other articles if you’re just mentioning Bill Clinton. So per MOS and WP:COMMONNAME, think it’s most appropriate to keep references to Taiwan as-is, and use ROC only to distinguish from Empire of Japan or PRC when there was overlapping history. Butterdiplomat (talk) 13:05, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@Butterdiplomat

You are very good when you mention about this case “Empire of Japan or PRC”. I hope one day you can visit Taiwan, a beautiful island in east Pacific Ocean. For me, I will go for the official name from the official government link “https://english.president.gov.tw/Default.aspx”. If the country name is changed, I would change or update my information accordingly.

Again, thanks the help from @Cat12zu3. CCL2023 (talk) 13:22, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Goguryeo maintenance template

Could you specify the possible issues regarding language sections? Thanks in advance. There's some errors afloat like the spelling notation of 고ᇢ롕〮, which would be something akin to kwòwólyéng (Yale) and goworyeong in Modern Korean rather than the concurrent gowoyeori Other than that the language parts have been maintained, reviewed and rereviewed regarding academic sources by a number of contributors, including myself, thus tend to be fleshed out more than the rest.

FingonFindekáno (talk) 10:20, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Again, as I said in the template itself, there is an overabundance of foreign language text generally in the article that is unhelpful to the vast majority of readers; in specific, there are often Chinese characters accompanying linked concepts, which is proscribed in MOS:ZH. Remsense留 02:57, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Some questions

Hi! I was reviewing your edits to my article-which I greatly appreciated! What specifically did you mean with the "This article is written like a personal reflection, personal essay, or argumentative essay that states a Wikipedia editor's personal feelings or presents an original argument about a topic."

Is it referring to the solutions section that has recommendations? I just removed some parts that seemed argumentative...how would you recommend I talk about ways maternal deserts can be reduced.... Kristudent194 (talk) 14:40, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Keeping in mind that this is not my area of expertise whatsoever, so I don't feel comfortable making recommendations that may affect the medical content of an article: that is one of the things I thought about, yes. While the information being presented by your article is very important and the creation of it is noble: Wikipedia is not a how-to guide, and one should do best to present an impersonal, non-persuasive tact throughout. You've already done a significant amount towards that end though, so good job! Cheers. Remsense留 15:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for your response. I took your feedback and the help of other Wikipediaes to edit my article further. I have removed most of the "essay like" and "persuasive" language and made a bunch of edits on the layout/copy edits. I was wondering if you would consider re-reading my article and removing the flags. Thank You SO MUCH! Kristudent194 (talk) 08:01, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

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and to you! 💚 Remsense留 19:17, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Endgame tablebase

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By the way

Re Qin dynasty talk page, articles don’t need to go through GAN before FAC, that’s just a logical process that many people follow. Articles are promoted all the time at FAC without ever having been GA. Aza24 (talk) 08:00, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Aza24, really! Huh. Somehow, that idea wriggled itself so deeply into my brain that I would have never stopped to ponder whether it was the case. Thank you for dispelling the notion for me. Remsense留 08:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

No worries, its the best route anyways imo. Ideally with PR either before or after GAN. Aza24 (talk) 23:35, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:IPAb

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Remsense, the template space is pretty actively patroled, and TfD participants typically give no quarter when a template has no transclusions or documentation. If you have a use case for wrapping IPA transcriptions in square brackets, it's probably best to establish the need for this template first, and then use it everywhere you've been doing the square notation immediately after creating it, rather than preparing a template in advance of later use.

Noting also that if the difficulty is with syntax misinterpretation, square brackets can be produced from existing punctuation templates: {{!(}} produces [; {{)!}} produces ]. Folly Mox (talk) 20:06, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Of course, this is my fault for not thinking to use it earlier. Remsense留 22:04, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

1957 Mille Miglia

This article incorrectly states that ten spectators were killed in the crash involving de Portago. All other reports say nine spectators, and I have found the following report that lists the nine names: http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=192 Nick9vic (talk) 13:57, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Ah, thank you for the clarification. I would recommend putting this information in a comment so other editors are aware of the discrepancy in the sources. Remsense留 14:06, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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My edit about "King of the English" to "King of England"

Hello! I'm here to explain you what my edits were about, I was just fixing some terms, and those didn't need citations, I was changing to King of England because it was the common way to put, and is to emphasize the fact that England was fully united by 927, the term "King of the Anglo-Saxons", which started with Alfred the Great was until England got united, if there was the term "King of the English" then it would cause confusion to others as they could thing that England wasn't unified yet when it was. I just wanted to fix terms according of how was more common to put, that's all, trust me, I'm just letting you know what I intended to edit. If you disagree with me on this, please do not hesitate to on telling me, and if not then I will assume that you don't have much problem on that. Mr. Information1409 (talk) 23:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

All claims require sources, as do changes to sourced material. "King of the English" is the term used for those monarchs. Moreover, while they still may contain errors—all three of the monarch pages you edited are featured articles, so it is comparatively unlikely for such a glaring error to be there. Please refer to the articles' talk pages and cited sources for why "King of the English" is correct, and do not change the terms again until you've done so. Remsense留 23:42, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I think I know the answer for that: After 954, England was fully reconquered by the English from the Vikings that captured over and over Southern Northumbria, the campaign continued until 954, and after that those monarchs began to be referred as King of England, as the Vikings ceased to control parts of England, right? Mr. Information1409 (talk) 23:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

From the lead of List of English monarchs:

The title "King of the English" or Rex Anglorum in Latin, was first used to describe Æthelstan in one of his charters in 928. The standard title for monarchs from Æthelstan until John was "King of the English". In 1016 Cnut the Great, a Dane, was the first to call himself "King of England". In the Norman period "King of the English" remained standard, with occasional use of "King of England" or Rex Anglie. From John's reign onwards all other titles were eschewed in favour of "King" or "Queen of England".

Remsense留 23:47, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for the information, I will keep on mind. Good talk my friend! Mr. Information1409 (talk) 23:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

cheers, happy editing! if you ever have questions, come hang out at the Teahouse! Remsense留 23:55, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Seljuk vs Ghurid

Hi Remsense. Per your own quote "At the time that this ewer and the group of long-necked ewers to which it relates were produced, Herat was under the control of the Ghurids, not the Seljuqs, but evidence strongly suggests that these pieces were exported to centers in Seljuq Iran and elsewhere." Doesn't this mean that the work is Ghurid, but such pieces were often exported to various parts of Iran from Ghurid Herat? So, this makes the piece Ghurid, not Seljuk. Finbarr Barry Flood also explains about the metalwork school in Herat during the Ghurid period (Flood, Finbarr Barry (12 July 2022). Objects of Translation: Material Culture and Medieval "Hindu-Muslim" Encounter. Princeton University Press. ISBN 978-1-4008-3324-5.) Many objects from this period are confused as being Seljuk as a simplification, when they are actually Ghurid or Khwarazmian (but often incorporate a defunct Seljuk tradition to a various degree)... पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 06:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Right–but imported items are still emblematic of a given culture. I would say, especially given the narrow span of time, that it is still a plausible example to represent Seljuk culture, and should not necessarily be replaced unless with a clearly more representative equivalent. Remsense留 06:47, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Let's keep things clear and simple... A Ghurid work is not a Seljuk work. It would be better not to confuse the origin of these objects. Let's use actual Seljuk objects for the Seljuk article, and actual Ghurid objects for the Ghurid article. At the very least, if it is to be shown as an "emblematic" Seljuk work (which I'm afraid it isn't, reference would be needed), we should mention that the object in question was nevertheless actually manufactured by the Ghurids. I am also a bit uncomfortable with your "Brass candlestick with repoussé work. Inlaid with silver, copper, and black bitumen. Late 12th century, Afghanistan.".... "Late 12th century Afghanistan" is quite borderline for a Seljuk work, although the general period is said to the "Seljuk period" [1], more as a shorthand. Aren't there enough truely Seljuk works of quality, to avoid the risk of confusing with the works of later periods? पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 07:10, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

In my view, "keeping it simple" in this way tends to be much more misleading than acknowledging the fluidity of cultures throughout history and not being dogmatic about what can belong to whom. All I've said is there's a plausible case for the image on the article, and it shouldn't simply be removed because it's "not Seljuk", because in some dimension it is. Beyond that, I have no opinion. If there's a more representative example to put in its place, I think that's fine Remsense留 07:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@R Prazeres: पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 07:15, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

No strong opinion here like I said previously, but some thoughts:

The object is discussed by scholarly references in the context of the region/period, including Seljuk patronage (but where "Seljuk" is often used in a broad sense), so it's certainly not irrelevant, but more context never hurts and the most representative examples are always more welcome, I think. I've removed some earlier images already (I didn't add the ewer) and tried to add new ones that are more directly attributed to the period, to reduce some of that potential confusion.

However:

This brings up the issue rightfully mentioned at the beginning of the "Arts" section, which is that much of the art described as "Seljuk" in a broad sense dates from the late years of the empire or right after it, with some objects easily datable to either side of the political "end date", and the exact point of origin being often impossible to know for certain. So sticking very narrowly to certain years or borders is potentially counter-productive. (The same objection could be raised for various other objects shown on the page which date to slightly after Great Seljuk control or whose origins are vague.) It may be preferable to just continue providing context.

Some options:

1. Remove that image, since there are still others to keep.
2. Move it to the gallery of that subsection or swap places with one of the images there, so at least we're not emphasizing an object of "Ghurid" origin as the main image of the section.
3. Add more context to the caption, either inline or in a footnote, pointing out that Herat was under Ghurid control but the object was likely exported to Seljuk Iran.
4. (Do both #2 and #3.)

R Prazeres (talk) 08:16, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

PS: If it helps, my preference is probably for #4 in the short-term. R Prazeres (talk) 08:19, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@R Prazeres: Good points. I added more context for some of the objects, with quotes from the sources, and replaced the main image with the bronze lion, which is clearly presented as "A demonstration of the excellence achieved in metalwork under the Seljuqs" in the Met source [2]. As to the Ghurid Ewer, I left it in the Gallery as a less central example attributable to, let's say, influences and tradition of craftmanship, although the Herat metalwork school seems to have been quite characteristically Ghurid during this period [3]. There is indeed quite some confusion with the broad shorthand definition of the "Seljuk period", which often goes beyond the dates of the "Seljuk dynasty" in the literature (like here where the objects is presented as both "Possibly Seljuq" for the dynasty, and "Seljuq Period" for the timeframe). In the earlier development of the article, I tried to used precisely dated objects (especially for the ceramics, some dated through their inscriptions or techniques), so that the Ghurid Empire and Khwarazmian Empire can have a fair recognition of their own productions. A relevant statement suggesting that some of the best artistic developments actually postdate the Seljuks: "While stonepaste vessels are often attributed to the Seljuq period, some of the most iconic productions in the medium took place after this dynasty lost control over its eastern territories to other Central Asian Turkic groups, such as the Khwarezm-Shahis" ([4]) Best पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 08:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

This all looks good to me, thanks for implementing it.

A minor response note: I don't think you were saying otherwise, but just to be clear, featuring objects in this article that may originate from Ghurid or Khwarazmian territories of course doesn't preclude those same objects from being discussed at Ghurid dynasty and other articles, nor relevant "Seljuk" objects from being discussed elsewhere too. Indeed, there should be some overlap in this regard, given the context we've discussed. Some of the general background info in the Arts section of Seljuk Empire might be also be relevant (with some tweaking) as background info for art sections of other (near-)contemporary dynasty/state in the same region.

Thanks again! R Prazeres (talk) 18:13, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the grin

This made me chuckle...sympathetically, of course, I've been in that same position myself! After all that work, right? Schazjmd (talk) 00:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

The way I see it—the presence of intersocial and functionary work does a lot to make the site better in itself, even if it doesn't directly help the intended situation. Keeping up appearances! :) Remsense留 00:58, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Teahouse

The most recent question seems a bit like importing conflict, do we have a specific procedure for that? Geardona (talk to me?) 23:22, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I am not sure: my best try is to not get directly involved, while remaining helpful. If they do not listen, I think it becomes more plausible to start removing posts per talk page guidelines. Remsense留 23:24, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Alright, is there a way to see a page after it is deleted, I would like to see if it was any good/well sourced.

(also when you said edits were saved into the record I was about to talk about suppression but...)

 Thanks Geardona (talk to me?) 23:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I think WP:UNDELETE is the only way. Remsense留 23:29, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Geardona (talk to me?) 23:30, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, that was getting to be a lot Geardona (talk to me?) 00:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

No problem. I trust that if I ever overstep with a move like that, other hosts will be happy to let me know. Remsense留 00:48, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

yep, hope that AN/I can work it out Geardona (talk to me?) 00:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

ZX Spectrum graphics

Since you want to join the discussion on ZX graphics, let's just continue it here, to avoid TLDR. What exactly do you want to know? What arguments do you want from me? Just repeat them here, and then we will do the excerpt on ZX Graphics later. 80.80.52.64 (talk) 11:49, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Or, I can just reply to this message of yours:

Moreover, I still want to potentially contest the WP:CALC issue. Do all of the figures used in your work so far (i.e. the work that was removed from this page) come from RS—manuals, whitepapers, etc.? I do understand all of the calculations are not rocket science, but I would appreciate if you could demonstrate a direct chain where no OR accidentally leaks in from your personal expertise without a citation. Would that be a reasonable request? 80.80.52.64 (talk) 11:56, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

If you don't mind, I'd like to continue having this on the talk page, so that others interested may easily see and contribute. Remsense留 12:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Belugajdm

Hi there, I'm just letting you know that you were deceived by a disruptive, POV-pushing LTA on talk:Human rights in Vietnam (Belugajdm) to do their edits for them, in an attempt to make them stick. This has been going on for quite sometime now on multiple articles relating to Vietnamese politics. I've restored the status quo per WP:BE. No hard feelings on your own edits, but per WP:DENY, acknowledging them is only going to embolden them to continue this modus operandi. John Yunshire (talk) 11:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

No hard feelings, quite the contrary—thank you very much for letting me know, I'll be much more vigilant in that topic space next time. I really appreciate it. Remsense留 19:51, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Teahouse quibble about RSes

Hi, Remsense. Thanks for all your responses at the Tea house, that's generous of you. I do have a quibble, though, with this comment at § Citations and Sources:

reliable sources have to be WP:verifiable as well as being able to plausibly contribute towards establishing a neutral point of view of the subject

My quibbles:

• RS have to be V: Wikipedia articles have to be verifiable, in that the content in Wikipedia has to be a summary of content found at a reliable source. However, it's not clear what it even means, for an RS to be V; do you mean, that in order to be a reliable source, the content there has to be a summary of material verifiably found in some other source? Because that is not true, and I would say that a reliable source does not have to be verifiable.
• plausibly contribute towards NPOV: I'm not sure what you mean by this. RSes clearly do not have to be either neutral, or unbiased, and it's fine to include content citing a source that expounds the most extreme, false, or biased rubbish if the source is reliable, as long as it is in compliance with all policies and guidelines (especially WP:DUE). No doubt WP:INTEXT and WP:RSOPINION will come into play in those cases, but saying a source has to plausibly contribute towards NPOV seems fuzzy to me, in that it implies that the source itself has to be neutral, when that is very clearly not the case.

I think these probably amount to wording quibbles, and I probably missed your actual intent, and for that I apologize. I think your comments at TEA are uniformly good ones, and I thank you for them. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 23:06, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I was self-conscious about how I was basically stringing the policies together in a circle there. On the latter point, I was unclear: I meant to say that while sources can be biased (I think I wrote this but then removed it trying be concise) the aim is to be able to provide WP:NPOV by balancing RSes, but my phrasing here is backwards.

Thank you very much for the critique! I appreciate it very much: it's nice to know the conceptions others have here line up with my own. Remsense留 23:12, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I just flashed on another possible interpretation of RS have to be V: did you by any chance mean that the RS have to be published? Because that, of course, is true. And I get it with concise; tbh, I always struggle with trying to keep my messages short, I feel I have to go into detail, especially if the point is a bit subtle. Maybe I should just use a smaller font, and then it wouldn't take up so much space what do you think? Mathglot (talk) 23:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes: I think that's what I meant. Re: concision, bearing typographical miracles, I think I have to get more comfortable with repeating myself, because very often, redundancy is useful for beginners. Teahouse mode ≠ article-writing mode. Remsense留 23:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

留

Hello! I am your worst nightmare, a sort-of native Chinese speaker. Your signature intrigues me, as “leave behind” doesn’t necessarily mean “留言” at a glance. Is there something specific that made you change it from “聊”? If it’s concerns over formality, I would suggest “诉” or “訴”, which means “tell” by itself and can have either a neutral or a negative connotation (even “sue”!) depending on what expression you use it with, which I suppose could be made tongue-in-cheek.

P.S.: I like the colors. Aaron Liu (talk) 18:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh, the reason was I saw its usage on zhwiki. I like 诉, I think I will use that. thank you very much, my worst nightmare realized! :) Remsense留 22:04, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I may ultimately change it back to 聊—I like having a character whose simplified and traditional forms are identical. We'll see. Remsense诉 22:20, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

whoops

about my edit you reverted on the main page, it was me jokingly trying to see if rater worked on the main page, forgetting it only edits the talk page, sorry. :P Begocci (talk) 12:45, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Table

I have done created the table of assessment of WP:3TOPE. But it seems that the table did not gives the number of articles, instead, it's blank. Here is the table, by the way, Wikipedia:WikiProject Polyhedra/table. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 08:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Dedhert.Jr, I will reply to this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Polyhedra. Cheers! — Remsense诉 03:20, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Chinese calendar

Hi Remsense聊,

I am wondering if you want me to start the "splitting" process for "Chinese calendar". I have been working on the article, but it would be better if it were less unwieldy -- due to all of the important details which would seem best to be moved into new articles (while retaining the gist of it in the main "Chinese calendar" article). I am willing to create new articles and move most of the details to them, while retaining the general material in "Chinese calendar". I think that the extended details of the dynastic history of variations on the lunisolar calendar would well deserve space in a new article. This could create space for your endeavors and you could replace the articles with your edits? We did seem to agree with the "split" proposal. What are your thoughts?

Dcattell (talk) 01:31, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Dcattell, I appreciate your work a lot, I apologize that I have been so absent. I feel that I have stretched my attentions a bit too thin onwiki. I would advise you to do what you think is best, do not think you require my approval. Sorry for lacking any insight there—I don't believe I have any beyond the broadest scheme that I have in the initial split proposal. — Remsense诉 05:38, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

I think your broad proposal idea is good and helpful. I'm kind of in and out in terms of my Wikipedia volunteering. However, I'll try to do a bit more with Chinese calendar article. Sometimes patience is a virtue, and may Wikipedia never be completed! And, no need for apologies! Dcattell (talk) 06:53, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Unicode edit

Not sure what happened with the edit on Unico page, completely intentional seems to be a glitch. Thank you. Foristslow (talk) 22:15, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy New Year

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Thank you for your comments on ANI, apologies accepted. (I slept through it.) As you know, I have a DYK on the Main page, but my story would be different, about Figaro, - this Figaro. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Happy New Year's to you as well Gerda, I hope it's a good one so far! Thank you very much. Remsense诉 04:00, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. - On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, it's a downright gorgeous article—I learned a lot I didn't know, and I seek to emulate it also. — Remsense诉 09:34, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

story · music · places

Yesterday was a friend's birthday, with related music. - I'm on vacation - see places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Impressed by your thoughtful response to 'It is what it is, but is it?' on TeahouseBlueWren0123 (talk) 03:57, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I find that, much like with other subjects, trying to help others regarding site policy helps streamline my own ways of thinking! Thank you very much. Remsense诉 04:01, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Cultural Revolution

Your recent edits at Cultural Revolution are very good.

You templated the background section as needing further context. I'm willing to help here if I can. What do you suggest lay readers need more context for? I generally see the section as too long (consistent with your templating of the article overall). It strikes me, for example, that the amount of Great Leap Forward material could be shortened. This is only one view of course, and we might develop some context and trim others. JArthur1984 (talk) 15:47, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Honestly, I think a really brutally sharp, quick history of social revolution would really help. maybe i could cram it into a paragraph. i feel like the CR can be viewed as springing out of nowhere, and starting with the GLF is not quite enough. so like, touching on the idea of this all-encompassing social and cultural revolution developing out of the political revolutions archetypal in europe, say french → russian → xinhai → 1949 would really help guide the reader, in my mind. i *do* realize i tagged the article as being too long, but maybe it should be too long. :). thank you for the interest! Remsense聊 15:56, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

I like your idea and encourage it!

I tend to agree that the article is too long overall. But I do not view these ideas as inconsistent. Part of the reason I believe the article is too long is that there is too much focus on personalities or visceral incidents and not enough on broader trends and forces. JArthur1984 (talk) 16:11, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

There's a lot of factors to this, but the way China and its history is talked about and understood in the Anglophone sphere is so alienating so often, and I think a lot of it has to do with the way the languages are different, e.g. The Big Scary Calques that crop up everywhere, that are not strange or overly reifying in Chinese but come off often as stilted, robotic, or alien in English (if I can indulge some lazy adjectives), especially when they pass on to people who aren't familiar with Chinese—it certainly takes two to tango here, as it were. I think there's a lot of work I can do on here that's just taking either work done by knowledgeable people for whom English does not happen to be their first language, and giving it a copyedit or two, or intent fully working to remedy the patterns people often get into when talking about China. :) and integrating it like it deserves into the grand history of revolution and entering modernity really helps with that i think Remsense聊 17:14, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

An excellent perspective. JArthur1984 (talk) 18:20, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

This is still on my to-do list, but I've been daunted by the task. I don't want to leave the tag there forever, so I'm going to double down and try to draft it tonight. Remsense留 02:06, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

I still like your idea and encourage it, but what do you think about removing the template for now to make the page a bit less cluttered? JArthur1984 (talk) 15:06, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

JArthur1984, oh, please do. I apologize for leaving it there for so long. — Remsense诉 15:07, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Oh, there's no reason to apologize. Indeed, the page needs work and your idea is a good one. JArthur1984 (talk) 15:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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☺️ Usydydjwhxyxhx (talk) 18:08, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

hello! I'm pretty good, I submitted my first Good article nomination a few days ago. Remsense诉 18:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

That’s nice Usydydjwhxyxhx (talk) 18:12, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hey, sorry! I did not. My only GAN review this month was Semantics, which I began in February. Apologies for the hassle. Remsense诉 00:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

It's no hassle! And good luck with your own recent GA nom. -- asilvering (talk) 00:47, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I'm super excited about it, honestly. Selfishly, I hope whoever takes it up is as fixated on the subject as I am—Chinese characters has been my labor of love for a few months now. Remsense诉 00:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Wow, that's ambitious! I had only noticed your mention of submitting a GA in the thread above this one, I didn't realize you'd taken on such a hard one for your first go! Hats off. -- asilvering (talk) 00:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

I learned a lot! And will learn a lot more before I feel satisfied with my work in this area of the site. :) Remsense诉 00:53, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Complaint about you at WP:ANI

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As requested, I have replicated my proposed changes to the talk page. Could I get an ETA on a response to this? You seem to be a pretty active user. Is there any additional people that should chime in on this? Subanark (talk) 16:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I imagine others would like to have a say too, including the original author of the essay—I directed you to the talk page for more than my own edification Remsense诉 16:33, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2024 May newsletter

The second round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 April. This round was particularly competitive: each of the 32 contestants who advanced to Round 3 scored at least 141 points. This is the highest number of points required to advance to Round 3 since 2014.

The following scorers in Round 2 all scored more than 500 points:

• Sammi Brie (submissions) with 707 points, mostly from 45 good article nomination reviews and 12 good articless about radio and television;
• Generalissima (submissions) with 600 points, mostly from 12 good articles and 12 did you know nominations about coinage and history;
• SounderBruce (submissions) with 552 points, mostly from a featured article about the 2020 Seattle Sounders FC season, three featured lists, and two good articles;
• BennyOnTheLoose (submissions) with 548 points, mostly from a featured article about the snooker player John Pulman, two featured lists, and one good article;
• voorts (submissions) with 530 points, mostly from two featured articles (Well he would, wouldn't he? and Cora Agnes Benneson) and three good articles.

The full scores for Round 2 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 18 featured articles, 22 featured lists, and 186 good articles, 76 in the news credits and at least 200 did you know credits. They have conducted 165 featured article reviews, as well as 399 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 21 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Remember that any content promoted after 28 April but before the start of Round 3 can be claimed during Round 3, which starts on 1 May at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please see this page. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs), Epicgenius (talk · contribs), and Frostly (talk · contribs)) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

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