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Welcome!

Hello, Peter Horn/Archive 1, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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CAF Beasain

This article has been speedily deleted because it consists of nothing besides a link to another site. If you wish to create an article about the subject, please do so, being sure that the information is verifiable and based on reliable sources. howcheng {chat} 19:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC) The article Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles covers this topic well. --Peter Horn 14:41, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Signatures

Although you should Sign your posts on talk pages you should not sign your contributions in the article namespace. Thryduulf 00:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Large number of edits to rail tracks

I noticed the large number of edits that you're making to rail tracks yesterday and today. In order to avoid edit conflicts and potential revert problems, you might consider putting {{inuse}} at the top of the article and state how long you expect to continue working on the article (by putting something like {{inuse|1 hour}} for example), as is shown in the examples on the template page. When you're done with your edits, remove the template. Thanks! Slambo (Speak) 21:16, 21 February 2006 (UTC) You asked me to refresh your memory, OK, this is what I was referring to. --Peter Horn 05:34, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Request for edit summary

Hi. I am a bot, and I am writing to you with a request. I would like to ask you, if possible, to use edit summaries a bit more often when you contribute. The reason an edit summary is important is because it allows your fellow contributors to understand what you changed; you can think of it as the "Subject:" line in an email. For your information, your current edit summary usage is 0% for major edits and 0% for minor edits. (Based on the last 150 major and 0 minor edits in the article namespace.)

This is just a suggestion, and I hope that I did not appear impolite. You do not need to reply to this message, but if you would like to give me feedback, you can do so at the feedback page. Thank you, and happy edits, Mathbot 04:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Capital Metropolitan Transportation Authority

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Capital Metropolitan Transportation Authority, but we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. Perhaps you would like to rewrite the article in your own words. For more information, take a look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Happy editing! (Your edit, source.) jareha 22:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Capital Metro Commuter Rail

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We appreciate your contributions to the Capital Metro Commuter Rail article, but we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material. Perhaps you would like to rewrite the article in your own words. For more information, take a look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Happy editing! jareha 23:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Light rail

Just a quick note: You're only supposed to bold titles of articles or alternative titles. For instance, in Light rail the phrases "light rail," "light rail transit," "LRT" and "Light rail vehicles" appear in bold. "Ground level power supply" should not be bolded since it has its own article. See also Wikipedia: Manual of Style. Foxmulder 02:18, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Another note about links: Usually we don't like to put things like "See some other related article" at the end of a paragraph, especially not when there is already a link to it in the paragraph. The great thing about Wikipedia is really that we don't have to do that; we can just make the word itself into a link right in the sentence where it first appears. Also linking to a specific section within another article is usually unnecessary, for example a link to the "Description" section of "Conduit Car" is unnecessary because really you're talking about conduit cars in general, and on top of that the article only has three sections, so it's not terribly hard to navigate. Other than that, great job editing. Keep up the good work! Foxmulder 19:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

P.S. the reason I've noticed your edits is I have light rail-related articles on my watchlist; it's a great tool if you didn't know about it already. Foxmulder 19:28, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I've just tidied Rhaetian Railway along the lines suggested by Foxmulder. ATB! --Moonraker88 08:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Removing template?

I'll need a little memory refresher to answer the question you left on my talk page. I don't remember typing that phrase. Thanks. Slambo (Speak) 12:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Let me rephrase my quetion: How do I use the template? --Peter Horn 05:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Redirect

You recently created Texas Pacific Transportation. I believe you intended to create a redirect. To do this in future follow instructions at Wikipedia:Redirect I'll study the redirect instructions carefully for future applications. --Peter Horn 05:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Links to MEXLIST

The links to MEXLIST on articles about specific railroads will probably get deleted, (not by me, but by others) unless the link points to a page related to the railroad in question. Your enthusiasm for letting people know about that invaluable resource, is, I'm sure, much appreciated.

Tubezone 08:20, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

the links point to a

I believe I'm not the only one to insert a link to MEXLIST, at any rate, what would be the best spot for it? --Peter Horn 05:27, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

MEXLIST links should go on pages with general information on Mexican railroads, rather than specific railways. The List of Mexican railroads is a good example of a place where it should be. Tubezone 06:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

"kapich" --Peter Horn 23:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Question of Rail gauge

Hello Peter, hope you won't mind my mentioning it, it's not the first time somebody has tried to change the FR gauge from 600mm to 597mm (see the history). Be assured the same gauge is known in mainland Europe as 600mm and in the UK as 1 foot 11½ inches. It does not help to be so precise. The actual gauge will vary between about 595mm and 605mm depending on local circumstances - even on the same line. FR stock runs happily in France and vica-versa. Please change it back. NoelWalley 14:35, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello Noel, 1) Has already been done 2) in the case of Hong Kong & List of standard gauge by country, the 3 mm difference between 1435 mm & 1432 mm would also be quite irrelevant and not preclude thru running from one to the other. --Peter Horn 21:16, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm still waiting to hear about this 3 mm difference in Hong Kong. since the 4 mm difference between Russia & Finland are said not to cause any problems. See below:

Russian Empire

....Now Russia and most of the former Russian Empire, including the Baltic states, Ukraine, Belarus, the Caucasian and Central Asian republics, and Mongolia, have the official Russian measurement of 1520 mm, 4 mm narrower than 5 ft (1524 mm), though rolling stock of both gauges is interchangeable in practice.

Finland

Finland, which was a Grand Duchy under Russia in the 19th century, uses 5 ft (1524 mm) gauge.

Peter Horn 23:29, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Also this:

Iberian peninsula

Later, following adoption of the metric system, these two gauges were defined as 1674 mm (5 ft 5.9 in) and 1665 mm (5 ft 5.55 in) respectively. The gauges were sufficiently close to allow inter-operation of trains.

Peter Horn 23:36, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Peter Horn 00:42, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Interwiki links and empty articles

To link to a foreign language Wikipedia, please use

[[de:Rigi-Bahnen]].

And please don't add empty articles like Niklaus Riggenbach; if you would like help in translating the article from German, you can ask at the German translation desk or at the German noticeboard. Thanks, and happy editing! Kusma (討論) 23:50, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello Kusma, I have filled out the Niklaus Riggenbach article just a little bit and I have reqested a translation in the bio section. --Peter Horn 21:22, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Interurban

On March 5th you accidentally deleted the majority of the article Interurban, possibly because of a section editing bug (you saved one section as the whole article). I just fixed that and re-applied your edits of they were thus lost. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 10:10, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Ever heard of a bug free program? --Peter Horn 13:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Never! Certainly not MediaWiki. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 00:17, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

List of suburban and commuter rail systems

Hi! I've corrected some links. Could you try again and describe the troubles?-- Nixer 07:23, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


I'm still getting this message on some Russian map links: Hello 24.203.253.234, Sorry, this area is not for passengers...

Station master --Peter Horn 16:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Russia
Arkhangelsk Elektrichka Map: [1]
Barnaul Elektrichka Map: [2]

The first is the map link which is troublesome, there may be others like it. The next one down from it opens up properly. Peter Horn 03:07, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

{{Train topics}}

Please join the discussion on reducing the links in this template. I thought you'd like to give some thoughts since you've been editing this template. Slambo (Speak) 22:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Transports de Martigny et Régions SA (TMR)

Transports de Martigny et Régions SA (TMR) comprises two physical railways:

  • Chemin de Fer de Martigny au Châtelard (MC)
  • Chemin de fer Martigny-Orsières-Le Châble (MO)

That's why I corrected your interwiki link edits...--Klaus with K 13:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Notability question

An essay has started on the notability of some railway stations. User:Mangoe/timetable. Join in and have your say. SilkTork 11:08, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Your contributions to Trailer (vehicle)

I noticed you made quite a big contribution to the trailer article, maybe you would be interested in clarifying this section: Types of trailers. Currently it reads "There are five main types of trailer, defined by their axle arrangement and method of combination.", however, there are more than five types of trailers listed under that section. Much thanks. --Porqin 19:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

--Porqin: I'll have to do a bit of research on this and get back to this topic. --Peter Horn 18:13, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

--Porqin: I have revised this section of Trailer (vehicle) so that there are now five main types of trailers and three types of trailer arrangements. This should clear up any confusion.

Cheers, --Peter Horn 18:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Compressor

It's just that the first thing when I think of a Compressor (I'm an audio guy) is a Compressor-the Dynamics Processor (Audio level compression). The Compression article does an ok job (albeit, in a clumsy way) of covering some of the uses of compressor. So, I think that Compressor needs a disambiguation and not necessarily a redirect to a specific meaning (Gas compressor) in the mechanical domain. best, --Ravelite 22:31, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: External links

I saw your note early this morning and moved it to my talk page. I intend to take a closer look tonight after I get dinner in the oven. I've got a couple photos from a trip to Colorado earlier this month where we rode the Pike's Peak Cog Railway; they use an Abt system too, so I need to go through them and look at adding the best images to the article. As a quick side note, use my talk page to send me a message rather than my user page; thanks. Slambo (Speak) 19:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

You're right, I haven't had a chance to look at this further. Sheesh, I've got to work from my user talk page more often. B-) Thanks for the reminder. Slambo (Speak) 20:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

de:Niklaus Riggenbach translation

Done. Also, see comments at Talk:Niklaus Riggenbach —QuicksilverT @ 19:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Henri Sarolea translation cleanup needed

I see from your user page that you claim en-4 skills in your Wikipedia:Babel table and are a native of the Netherlands. Would you care to take a stab at cleaning up Henri Sarolea? —QuicksilverT @ 19:26, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Rack Railway

Sorry you're so bitter. You edits are not deleted; there are special rules for format of links. You can find them in WP:Style and connected pages. They should be in the form: [http://de wikipedia.org/wiki/etc.]. A even better idea would be to translate the pages you linked directly into English. Good work!! --Attilios 13:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Move material

Move all the text to Portainer and make this article a #REDIRECT Portainer.

Peter Horn 14:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)Peter Horn 02:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Road Train and Road train

The two all but duplicate each other and most, if not all of the former should be deleted from this article. There also appears to be a lot of duplication(s) in the rest of the Transportation article. Peter Horn 00:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC) Peter Horn 02:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Share Taxi and Share taxi

More of the same unnecessary (?) duplication, and there is no doubt more yet. Peter Horn 01:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC) Peter Horn 02:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Pacific Crest Trail

You recently made an edit to Pacific Crest Trail: I'm having trouble understanding the intent of the last few changes. It sort of looks like you were adding a footnote elevation, is that right? If so, you could write <ref> elevation numbers </ref> in the body of the text where you want to see the little [2] (or whatever number is assigned for it). More information is at WP:FN Thanks for the metric conversions throughout the article! — EncMstr 19:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

dealing with templates

Hi Peter Horn. No problem. It was a bit confusing to track that one down. I'm afraid I created a complicated section of the PCT article with all the cites and references embedded in an infobox template. No wonder you're asking about templates.

A template behaves like a macro (#define) in C or C++, string variables in Perl, Java, Word for Windows form processing, etc., if you've used any of those.

To reference a template, write wikitext with two double curly braces around the template name: {{template name}} There's a good introduction in the last section of Editing basics of Help:Editing.

Templates can be passed parameters. The vertical bar (or pipe) is always the delimiter, if one is needed: {{some template name | parameter 1 | parameter 2 | named_parameter = value | named_parameter2 = value2 }}. This mixes positional and named parameters, which is acceptable, though it seems like all recently written templates use named parameters.

For me, the hardest part of dealing with templates is finding the appropriate one to use. Anymore, I have pretty good luck just guessing and using search to get close.

To look at and see documentation for the cite web template, type into the search box template:cite web then press Go. Some templates have usage documentation on the Template page, others have it on the associated discussion page. To see the actual template code, click on view source or edit. The former appears for protected articles. This particular template uses heavy conditional logic, so the source is kinda ugly.

Does that answer your question?

BTW, It would be much easier to reply if you signed your talk page posts with four tilde's (~~~~) as gets replaced with your username, timestamp and your username is wikilinked to your user page. Like this: — EncMstr 07:03, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


Hello again Peter Horn.

You can view the template {{1m}} by typing template:1m in the search box and pressing go. If editing is permitted, the "edit" tab will appear (otherwise it says "view source").

Before you change it, it would be a good idea to click on "what links here" for template:1m to make sure the predominant usage is compatible with any change you make. Beware that some templates are referenced by thousands of articles. Tread lightly.

This template has this for its contents:
1&nbsp;[[metre|m]] (3&nbsp;[[Foot (unit of length)|ft]] 3&nbsp;[[inch|in]])<noinclude>[[Category:Rail transport gauge templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]</noinclude>

Templates often use more intense and complicated wikimarkup than articles, but this one isn't bad at all. The &nbsp;'s are HTML non breaking spaces: they are just like the space character, except the words on either side are not split for paragraph wrapping.

The <noinclude> tag differentiates between wiki text which is "transcluded" and which is displayed on the template's page. In this case, the rail transport gauge category applies to the template itself. Articles referencing the template are not included in the category.

If that's confusing, just think of the noinclude tag as a comment boundary. Be careful not to introduce anything—especially whitespace—outside the tag which might affect the layout of pages which use it, the most tempting might be to put noinclude at the start of a line.

— EncMstr 08:02, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


Babel is a template which takes parameters. Even among templates, it is unusual because the parameters are expected to be names of templates.

There are several methods to control the layout of user boxes (for example, recycling, vegetarian). The easiest to use are tables and more templates. Look at the text of my user page, and you'll notice it starts with the Babel template (with a long parameter list. After the closing }}, there is {{Boxboxtop}} with a few optional parameters. Then there's a long list of user boxes, followed by {{Boxboxbottom}}. Boxboxtop and Boxboxbottom create a structure which includes the items between them.

On your Afrikaans user page, there is a babel template which is creating your language list. — EncMstr 23:15, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Pictures from the German Wikipedia

I responded here. — EncMstr 03:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Adding See also sections to articles

Hi Peter,

I see you've been adding a "See also" link to 800 mm (2 ft 7½ in) to several articles (for example Brienz Rothorn Bahn). I don't see the purpose of this link. The linked article isn't specific to railways, it just gives a comparison of different magintiudes. It doesn't seem like a useful link to the articles. Can you tell me why you are adding this particular link? Many thanks, Gwernol 02:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Translation request

Hi Peter, I've translated Carl Roman Abt per your request. I'd be grateful if you'd look over the article when you have time and let me know if I've made any mistakes. Best wishes, --YFB ¿ 02:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, er... thanks for the list of articles to translate - I have to admit (no offence intended) that I'm not massively interested in mountain railways and only picked up the Carl Roman Abt translation because it looked reasonably bite-sized and had been awaiting translation a while. I'm pretty busy (final year of university) at the moment but I'll try to find time to tackle some of the articles you've listed whenever possible. If you're hoping for rapid progress, though, you might be better off asking elsewhere. Sorry if I'm a disappointment! All the best, --YFB ¿ 04:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Terminus Centre-Ville (AMT)

Hi Peter. First, thanks for your numerous contributions to the transit pages in Montreal. To answer your question, ALL terminuses (termini??) are under the responsibility of the AMT. This includes, Panama, Cote-Vertu, Henri-Bourassa, Radisson and all the others listed here Alex@MTRL 03:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Template Added

Hi Peter, I just created the AMTbus template. Please feel free to use it and modify it if you create more terminus pages! Alex@MTRL 03:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Replies

Thanks for your answers, I'll make the necessary modifocations & I'll see where I can fit in your new template. The reason that I was able to make all these contributions is that I live in Chomedey. BTW, personally I prefer "termini".

Peter Horn 18:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

AMT Termini

Rack railway (2)

Hi Peter, it looks like these can all be transfered to commons. I'll try to do this later today. Best, Gwernol 21:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Dolly (trailer)

Hi! I'd just like to make sure You'd notice my question at the talkpage for dolly. It seems You know of something called an H-dolly, which I've never heard of before. If You can provide further info about that, it would sure make me a happier man :-) --G®iffen 15:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


I have reverted your inclusion of commercial links to a vehicle manufacturer's web site. Please do not put unnecessary advertising links in wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a link farm for commercial web links.

The US government web site link in the article adequately describes the A-dolly and C-dolly terms used in north america and hence there is no need to include a link to a commercial site advertising a c-dolly product.

I used several google searches to try to compare the prevalence of h-dolly, a-dolly, c-dolly, convertor dolly and low loader dolly. In order to reduce unrelated links and remove links to articles derived from the wikipedia article, I added trailer and -wikipedia, getting a search such as: 

"convertor dolly" trailer -wikipedia

I can find nothing to indicate that the term "h-dolly" is anything except a unique marketing term used by one manufacturer to refer to a 2-axle c-dolly. If you can find a verifiable source that shows otherwise, please feel free to add information based upon that source, and don't forget to provide a reference to that source.

I note that you currently appear to be destroying all of the technical content of this article by repeatedly editing the article to remove valid content. Please stop doing so immediately. I am a technical expert on this subject and the changes that you have made in the past few hours are not verifiable because they are incorrect. --Athol Mullen 01:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


Hi again. You're right in that both a-dollies and a c-dollies are convertor dollies. Sometimes you have to step back and think about things to see the obvious. :-)

I read every page I could find on the web site mentioned. I found a technical comparison between their c-dolly and an a-dolly. It stated that dollies can have two axles but that all in the study were single-axle. That appears to confirm my conclusion that, given that the difference between a-dolly and c-dolly is one vs two couplings and that the h-dolly has two couplings, h-dolly is their marketing term for their 2-axle c-dolly. In their entire site, I found no mention of the h-dolly being derived from a a-dolly, only comparisons to state that theirs were better than a-dollies. I also found no detail on whether the axles of the h-dolly self steer or not.

I'm not going to go into the design error I found that undermines the basis of the study but it might end up being used in relation to errors in the installation of fifth wheels either in this article or in a separate article if I split it out of semi-trailer. --Athol Mullen 03:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Howdy

I see we just narrowly missed each other on Crane (machine) but the system figured it out somehow. I'm done for now, so have at it. Cheers. --CliffC 02:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Camrail

Greetings. User:McTrixie left a message for you on my discussion page by mistake. You are welcome to read it part 12:26, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

935 Trainbus Blainville/CentreVille

When the 935 was started, it did go all the way to Guy Concordia. However, they cut it to its present terminus at Rene-Levesque and Peel. I think that was done in 2000 or 2001. Refer to this [press release] it did at one time go to Guy Concordia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kellergraham (talk • contribs) 13:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC).

High Doors / Low Doors

The Hawker Siddeley cars were all former GO Transit cars purchased by the Quebec government in 1994 (before the creation of the AMT). Most of them retained or were given numbers in the 1000 (for regular coaches) and 100 (for cab control cars). You'll see these ones on AMT's CP services (Vaudreuil, Blainville and Candiac). Some cars from the 1000 and 100 series were rebuilt and renumbered to 1200 and 200. The only difference is that one door is high platform for Gare Centrale. A photo of the high doors is here. More info about the AMT's roster can be found here

Alex@MTRL 16:04, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Nice photo, may be you could include it in an apropriate article like the one mentioned above?

Peter Horn 16:08, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Dorval, Fairview

Because Dorval and Fairview are only served by local STM buses, they are not considered AMT "Terminus Metropolitains". Neither are Monette-Lafleur or the Lachine Correspondence point.

Alex@MTRL 04:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Repentigny-Mascouche Line (AMT)

I just reformatted the Repentigny-Mascouche Line (AMT) page to conform with the existing AMT line pages. Do you know more about the temporary commuter train service the STCUM offered in the 1990s which ran on the same line as the proposed new AMT service? If so, please expand the article.

Alex@MTRL 02:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Voyageur

Copy/Paste of comment on Voyageur's Page

Voyageur used to operate three Montreal/Ottawa routes:

Montreal/Ottawa EXPRESS Montreal/Ottawa (via Lachute/Hawkesbury) North Montreal/Ottawa (via Dorion/Hawkesbury) South

According to the latest cache of voyageur.com (the original doesn't seem to work), all service have been transfered over to Greyhound. HOWEVER, when querying Greyhound's website for a Montreal/Ottawa trip, it mentions the carrier as VCL.

Google Cache

So, I would assume then that the website is correct. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kellergraham (talk • contribs) 06:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

Trucks

Pardon for intruding, but would you be interested in supporting the creation of a project about trucks? Please feel free to sign up or just comment at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Trucks.   Rotten Stone 16:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I.T.E.C. link on Dolly (trailer)

Hi Peter. Could you please explain why you want the link to I.T.E.C. on the Dolly (trailer) article? The guiding policy is Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (particularly "Wikipedia is not a repository of links" and "Wikipedia is not a directory") and the guideline Wikipedia:External links. Finding other articles that do not follow these and holding them up as examples is not a good idea - Wikipedia would be a complete mess if the standard of every article was reduced to the lowest comparable one we could find, as I'm sure you agree.

For the particular page, I can find no information on that website that is not able to be added to Wikipedia. If there is useful information that is not presently in the article, I suggest adding the information to the article, and link to the website as a footnote reference. If they really are allowed a 12% weight advantage in Mexico, then the Mexican Department of Transport that grants the allowance would be better than the manufacturer's page - it will describe why they are better, and possibly list other brands too. --Scott Davis Talk 03:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I answered your comments on my Talk page. I also note that it is a little disingenuous of you to be citing Coupling (railway) as an article with many external links to companies, when you added many of them in the last two days. Perhaps you should read both WP:EL and WP:POINT. --Scott Davis Talk 03:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Montréal-Ouest (AMT)

I created Montréal-Ouest (AMT) station page. If you know when some passenger train routes would have started and ended stopping at Montreal-Ouest, can you please update the page?

Montréal-Ouest (AMT)

It may be just me, but I never liked the [[1]] [[2]] next to all the bus route numbers indicating the map and schedule. How do you like what I did on the Montréal-Ouest (AMT) page? I'd like to do that system-wide for all the metro and train stations. Alex@MTRL 03:56, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Conflict

Peter, what is the conflict?

between Centre Champlain at Honoré-Beaugrand (Montreal Metro) and Champlain Mall at Terminus Panama (AMT). Peter Horn 01:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome

Hi Peter, you're welcome. --Kyoko 16:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

train table or template?

Hi Peter, I took a look at the table, and I think it's actually a template of some sort. I don't have much experience with either one, so I'm afraid I can't help you fix this. Sorry. I tried looking at fr:Gare centrale de Montréal for some formatting clues, but it's also made up of templates. Maybe you can ask your question at the Wikipedia:Help desk.

As a side note, are you signing your messages with four tildes as in ~~~~? I've noticed that your signatures are in plain text, so that I have to check a page's history in order to contact you. It's been so long since I've had an ordinary signature, but I think that typing in the four tildes will give you a signature that looks like this: Peter Horn 20:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I hope this helps. --Kyoko 20:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I clicked on "Sign your name: Peter Horn 21:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC)" & I'll now try typing in the four tildes Peter Horn 21:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC) one after the other. If that doesn't give results, then I suppose I'll have to go to the help desk.
Maybe if you go to "My preferences", locate your user profile, and type the following where it says "Signature"
[[User:Peter Horn|Peter Horn]]
and then click "Save". You might have to refresh your computer's cache too.
Your sugestion worked just fine. Peter Horn 19:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
As for the map image, I'm afraid I haven't yet learned how to deal with image uploads and downloads with Wikipedia. If the image is truly public domain, then it has to be copied or transferred from French Wikipedia to Wikipedia Commons, and then inserted into the article from there. So I get the basic theory, but I don't yet know how to do it. Sorry. --Kyoko 21:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

fr:Gare centrale de Montréal (Consolidation) & Gare Centrale (Montreal)

I guess the best thing to do would be to save the image to your computer and reupload it to the English Wikipedia. I've tried adding it as a regular img html tag, but to no avail.

You wrote: How does one copy the following image, and others, from the French article into the English one? I tried, with this one, but got nowhere. Translation of the captions is the least of my problems. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kellergraham (talk • contribs) 22:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

Dorval (AMT)

{{s-start}}
{{s-rail|title=VIA}}
{{s-line|system=VIA|line=Ottawa-Montreal|previous=Coteau|note=(limited)|next=Montreal|rows2=2}}
{{s-line|system=VIA|line=Toronto-Montreal|previous=Cornwall|next=Montreal|hide2=yes}}
{{end box}}

Any way of getting rid of "toward Fallowfield" and "toward Aldershot". Both are irrelevant, if not incorrect. Peter Horn 00:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Would you rather change Fallowfield for Ottawa and Aldershot for Toronto? Or you want the termini to no longer appear? I agree that from Montreal, few trains continue all the way to those two destinations. AirOdyssey (Talk) 02:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
The Montreal-Ottawa trains end/start at the "new" station in east end Ottawa (just east of the Rideau Canal). It is the station that replaced the original one in downtown Ottawa near the parliament buildings. See Ottawa Station. The Fallowfield has nothing to do with VIA's Montreal-Ottawa runs. Likewise all Montreal-Toronto runs start/end at Union Station in downtown Toronto. Aldershot is beyond Toronto. Peter Horn 01:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Please have a look at the VIA Rail schedules, as per WP:V. NOT all Montreal-Toronto runs start/end at Union Station. At least one train a day continues to Aldershot. Same thing for Montreal-Ottawa. At least one train a day continues to Fallowfield. P.S. I know where the train stations in Ottawa and Toronto are, I've taken the train on the corridor more than once. That wasn't the point. AirOdyssey (Talk) 01:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
My appologies, I guess I havent been keeping up with the latest news. Peter Horn 01:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
No problem! AirOdyssey (Talk) 01:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

It isn't possible to suppress the termini altogether, but it's trivial to change the destinations. I was given to understand, when I created the templates in question, that said trains continued to those destinations. Is that, in fact, incorrect? What should the termini be? Mackensen (talk) 15:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

The Aldershot and Fallowfield termini are not incorrect per se. Like, one or two trains per day continue all the way to those two destinations. The only trouble is: if you change them to Toronto and Ottawa respectively, then the template no longer works if you want to include Aldershot in the Toronto-Montreal line for instance. It will say on the left "Aldershot toward Toronto" which makes no sense. So on second thought, keep the termini as they are. Change "Aldershot" to "Aldershot (certain trains)". AirOdyssey (Talk) 00:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Ditto for "Fallowfield" (certain trains). All these comments also apply to the table in Gare Centrale (Montreal) Peter Horn 01:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

RE: List of shopping malls in Saskatoon

Thanks for creating it. The main Saskatoon article was getting a bit too large and back in December, someone else merged in all of the various individual articles describing the various shopping malls so your list was definitely waiting to burst out of the main article. Thomas Dzubin Talk 17:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Re shopping Malls

Thank you for also for this page, and the shopping mall articles...please read these talk pages Talk:List of neighbourhoods in Saskatoon. See also Talk:Saskatoon#Merge. There is some more shopping mall information on other neighborhood articles as well. The encyclopedia article grows when the shopping mall info is combined with Neighborhood information and grows past stub status, and perhaps past AFD status. I wish you much luck. I have been uploading Saskatoon shopping mall pictures, so perhaps that will help you out as well to get past stub status. The original old article about the Shopping mall - Midtown Plaza had been very nicely started, and had gone through various edits, I thought it was an awesome article, and then someone did a AFD to it and it was gone. The info about Midtown Plaza on the Central Business District, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan was some of this info from its own article. When I saw that you had created The Mall at Lawson Heights and moved the mall info from Lawson Heights Suburban Centre, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan I worried that your article about the shopping mall would get the AFD that the others are talking about. See the comments of 23skidoo who I believe started that Midtown Plaza article at... User_talk:SriMesh#Saskatoon_neighbourhoods_template I will try to add the reference to the appropriate neighborhoods and pictures on your started shopping mall articles to help them stay alive over the next few days. Kind Regards SriMeshSriMesh Julia


Shopping Malls and Midtown Plaza

That is a good idea about merging the two articles - I puttered at it this morning. I hope they survive. It is an unusual feeling to surf the web and see another WWW encyclopedia web page article which states the source was Wikipedia and then that selfsame article is deleted off Wikipedia itself. Kind Regards SriMesh SriMesh Julia 17:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Shopping Malls and Scotia Centre Shopping Mall

I made some links to shopping malls I have taken pictures of which are on neighborhood sites. I don't really have more information about them. I tried to do a Scotia Centre Shopping Mall site, but it ended up being very scrimpy. Please use the pictures where I have shown neighbohood links on their own shopping mall sites if you can beef up the articles somewhat. Only some of the shopping malls have their own website made so far. I basically only see the Direct West phone book online at mysask.com for some of them. Also ... I will try to find incorporation titles for any listing I make here-to-for Kind Regards SriMesh SriMesh Julia 22:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

shopping Malls and pics

S'allright that is what I'll do, and maybe they will be fleshed out and filled in over the long haul. Thanks for everything. Weather is disappointing, we were spoiled with spring melting, and warm weather, and then back to snow fall and the deep freeze. What's up with that? Kind Regards SriMesh SriMesh Julia 23:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Who left me a message?

Who left me a message, and what was it about? I could'nt find anything. Peter Horn 18:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC) Who left me a message, and what was it about? I could'nt find anything. Peter Horn 15:35, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Jarry Park Stadium

What's your source for this claim that the word "Stadium" was appended to the ballpark name? Wahkeenah 23:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Rail gauges in List of Rail Gauges

Hi Peter, thanks for all your good work on railway related articles. Could I ask you, though, not to put manual line breaks into the rail gauges as you did here? The manual of style specifies that for measurements there should be a non-breaking space in the entire measurement. Thus for example "2 ft 31⁄2 in" should always appear on one line and never be split into two. By using 2 ft 3{{frac|1|2}} in we ensure this happens. Your manually inserted line breaks were forcing the gauges to be split between two lines which breaks the style convention and makes the gauge hard to read. Thanks, Gwernol 20:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


Saskatchewan WikiProject

Hello. A new WikiProject about Saskatchewan has been started as an attempt to better organize information in articles related to the province of Saskatchewan, Canada. If you would like to participate, you can edit Saskatchewan articles, add Saskatchewan content, add Saskatchewan - railines content and merge two Wikiprojects - or visit the project page, where you can join / edit the project and/or contribute to the discussion. WikiProject Saskatchewan 

SriMesh|talk Julia 03:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Scotch gauge

Hi, I have undone your last set of edits to Scotch gauge in the same way that I undid a previous set of the same edits.

I am well aware that Standard gauge is (or was) 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm); apparently I read somewhere that they now use 1432 mm gauge, but that is beside the point.

The Scotch gauge article accurately recorded that there was an English gauge of 4ft 8in in use before the Stephenson 4ft 8.5in gauge and that both the English 4ft 8in gauge and the Scotch gauge were obsolete. I provided a reference for that fact. You are welcome to check that reference. It was not a typo for 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm). Pyrotec 20:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Woops, Sorry I did not in fact give a reference for the original (obsolete) English gauge of 4ft 8in. I must add that. I purposely wrote it as 4ft 8in and not 56 since 56 is reproduced the same as 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm). (You need to read that in edit mode for it to make sense). Pyrotec 21:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

There were no 4ft 8in lines in Scotland - sorry if my words caused confusion; but there were early 4ft 8in lines in England and early 4ft 6in lines in Scotland. The information came from Whishaw, which I borrowed from a library, I will look it up on Sunday, when I'm next there. My best guess is that all early 4ft 8in lines in England were converted to 4ft 8.5in pre-1837. When I have better information I will update the articles.
I did not write the template, I guess someone thought it would save time to tweek 56 to avoid having to add the half-inch every time. 4ft 8in being an illegal gauge in England since 1846 as a result of this [1846 gauge Act]. Pyrotec 21:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Peter, I have replied on my talkpage to your last message. I will sort it out, but I need a couple of weeks or so. I will borrow Whishaw today or tomorrow and make a start.Pyrotec 07:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Soft redirects

Groove (engineering) I don't understand either. This is not the kind of topic that merrits a long article, but a lot of articles are linked to it and would be left "hanging" in mid air. A simple definition would do? Peter Horn 01:24, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Replied on my talk page. --cesarb 02:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

EFOM gauge

Hi Peter

Do you have any evidence the gauge is 760mm? The only source I have says 2'6". I'd be surprised if it was built to 760mm, as most lines of this "gauge family" outside Europe that were not 2'6" were built to 750mm, following German practice. 760mm was an Austrian aberration, and the Austrians (or Serbs for that matter) did not have a lot of influence in these matters outside Europe. Cheers --Michael Johnson 14:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I've reverted. Waters is quite firm on the question of gauge. As he is a noted rail historian, has visited the railway numerous times, and has researched original Brazilian documentation on the line, I think it unlikely he would make such a fundamental mistake. Besides, this line predates the Austrian 760mm lines. I will check up a couple of mags with locomotive drawings in them, though. Cheers --Michael Johnson 14:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Standard Gauge

Hi Peter,

It is beginning to look like the statements that 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm) was a de facto standard prior to the Liverpool and Manchester Railway are unsupported statements. Baxter (1966: P 56) states that there was no standard gauge for horse railways, but there were rough groupings. In the north of England none were less than 4ft. Wylam, built before 1763, was 5ft 0in; as was John Blenkinsop's Middleton Railway - the wikipedia article says 4ft 1in, and Baxter (1966: P 56) says the old 4ft plateway was relaid to 5ft so that Blenkinsop's engine could be used.

Baxter (1966: P 56): Others were 4ft 4in Beamish or 4ft 7.5in (Bigges Main and Kenton and Coxlodge). Stephenson favoured 4ft 8in for waggonways in Northumberland and Durham and used it on his Killingworth line. The Hetton and Springwell waggonways also used the gauge. Stephenson's Stockton and Darlington railway was built to 4ft 8in and used it for fifteen years before being changed to 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm).

Whishaw (1842): The Chester and Birkenhead railway, authorised on 12 July 1837, was 4ft 9in (page 54); The Eastern Counties Railway, authorised on 4 July 1836, was 5ft 0in (page 91); London and Blackwall Railway, authorised on 28 July 1836, was 5ft 0in (page 260); The London and Brighton Railway, authorised on 15 July 1837, was 4ft 9in (page 273); The Manchester and Birmingham Railway, authorised on 30 June 1837, was 4ft 9in (page 303); The Manchester and Leeds Railway, authorised on 4 July 1836, was 4ft 9in (page 319); the Northern and Eastern Railway,authorised on 4 July 1836, was 5ft 0in (page 363). The 4ft 9in railways were intended to take 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm) gauge vehicles and allow a running tolerance. The rest of the railways in England, excluding the Great Western Railway were 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm) gauge. I've not included Scotland, Wales or Ireland.

From this the so called standard gauge could be regarded as 4ft 8in to 5ft 0ft.

  • Baxter, Bertam (1966). (The Industrial Archaeology of the British Isles. Stone Blocks and Iron Rails (Tramroads) Newton Abbott: David & Charles.
  • Whishaw, Francis (1842). The Railways of Great Britain and Ireland: Practically Described and Illustrated. Newton Abbott: David & Charles Reprints. (published 1969) ISBN 0-7153-4786-1.

Pyrotec 20:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Peter, Thanks for your two messages, I've replied on my talkpage. You've done a good job using the Freedom of Information Act to get these replies. Well Done.Pyrotec (talk) 22:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Carl Roman Abt

You asked for the (German) article on Carl Roman Abt to be translated. This has now been completed and proof-read. The English version is at Carl Roman Abt. thisisace 23:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: More translations required

Sorry, but my French/German isn't good enough to translate, only to proof-read the English translation. thisisace 18:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

A barnstar

The Working Man's Barnstar
For your continuing hard work in improving railway articles! Michael Johnson 22:24, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


Little context in Elm Island

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Geographical Place Names

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How so? -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

POTW

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Redirect of Cornwallis Island

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Re: your comment;

These two follow the naming convention for islands, Egg Island, Bahamas & Cornwallis Island, Nunavut apparently do not, that is why I tried to transfer.

I do endorse your intentions. If you just let me, I will perform the page moves of these two articles myself. --Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 01:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

variable gauge axles

sorry about that. RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 22:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Green Island, New Zealand

Hi peter - I have just reverted your changes to the location of the page Green island, new Zealand. Please check New Zealand naming conventions before you make any similar changes. All New Zealand geographical features - including islands - are disambiguated by a comma, never by parentheses. As with other such matters on Wikipedia, local usage has priority over usage by any Wikipedian group, and as such, New Zealand islands should remain at X Island, New Zealand. I believe the same holds true for several other places, notably the UK - you may wish to check naming conventions in those instances as well. Grutness...wha? 23:30, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Done - luckily there were only three others that had the parentheses - the vast majority were still correctly named. Grutness...wha? 00:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (New Zealand). See also the discussion on the talk page about lakes, which is relevant. Grutness...wha? 00:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Islands are covered by it, even though they're not mentioned explicitly: Since most places in New Zealand have unique names, the standard convention (where it is necessary to distinguish a place in New Zealand from one elsewhere) is simply to use the form "Placename, New Zealand", irrespective of whether the place is a town, river, or whatever. is simply an easier way of saying Since most places in New Zealand have unique names, the standard convention (where it is necessary to distinguish a place in New Zealand from one elsewhere) is simply to use the form "Placename, New Zealand", irrespective of whether the place is a town, river, lake, pond, hill, mountain, mountain range, village, community, settlement, plain, island, city, beach, bay, cliff, rock, inlet, islet, glacier, fiord, sound, strait, skifield, golf course, forest, crater, volcano, or large lump of putty." The point is that that section of the convention covers places overall. Islands are places - therefore they're covered by the section on places. No ambiguity at all :) Grutness...wha? 01:52, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Palm Island, Queensland

Moved this back as the article is primarily about the community on it rather than the island itself. Australian convention is to have comma disambiguation for communities (towns, cities, settlements) and brackets for land features or other types of districts. Orderinchaos 21:55, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Change Islands, Newfoundland and Labrador

Hi Peter,

I have reverted your move of Change Islands, Newfoundland and Labrador to Change Islands (Newfoundland and Labrador) based on the naming conventions outlined at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (settlements). What naming convention were you referring to when you made the move?

Neelix (talk) 00:59, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Flower Island

Thanks Peter. I suppose we could have waited till the Flower Island (San Juan Islands) article gets started. But "Be prepared", I guess. Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 02:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

geodis

Regarding your 2 January 2008 edit to the Sidney disambiguation page: What is the benefit from adding the geodis template to an article that is disambiguating more that just places and which already has the disambig template upon it? If all it does is to add the category "Ambiguous place names" would it not be better to just add the category, and not clutter the page with the text from two templates? Similarly, would not just adding the category "Lists of ambiguous human names" be better than adding the template hndis to the Sidney disambiguation page? Or am I missing something? --Bejnar (talk) 05:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Heinrich Hertz

Please consider re-visiting Talk:Heinrich Hertz#jewish ancestry. I'd be interested in your feedback about the suggested edit strategy I've proposed. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 15:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Anna Maria Island, Florida, Hutchinson Island, Florida and North Hutchinson Island, Florida

Hi, Peter, I have reverted your changes on the above to reflect preferred local usage which is a comma rather than parentheses. clariosophic (talk) 15:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Wayobjects

FYI - I placed a Copy to Wiktionary tag on Wayobjects, a WP article you started. It is fairly sparse, and reads more like a definition than an encyclopedic article.

Roscoestl (talk) 02:12, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

re: Truck

  • Yes, from land of Oz. Stonufka (talk) 05:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Wayobjects

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Ottawa River crossings & generating stations

Hi - I added the missing crossings/generating stations and verified their order. I used the 1:50,000 NRCan topographic maps as viewed on www.topozone.com Hope this helps.Plasma east (talk) 04:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I fixed the order of the hydro-electric generating stations on the Outaouais system as Hull-2 is technically upstream from any of the Gatineau River generating stations (discharge of the river is downstream from Hull-2). As far as I know, Hull-2 is the correct name. This website indicates this name [3]. As for Bryson, it is in the correct order on the Outaouais. I did not include it in the list of crossings as it is located on the Chenal du Grand-Calumet.... nor did I include the bridges crossing this secondary channel as I was focusing on those crossings of the main part of the Ottawa River. If someone were to add the Grand-Calumet crossings, Bryson would be the next crossing upstream from the unnamed railway bridge between Portage-du-Fort and McLarens Settlement. Plasma east (talk) 02:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
My apologies - I had used this St-Joseph [4]. I believe it was the closest community name to the bridge abutment but L'Isle-aux-Allumettes would suffice. Plasma east (talk) 14:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Great! Merci! Plasma east (talk) 20:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Meetup/Montreal

I put May 3rd as the date. I don't live in Montreal and don't know the city that well, can you think of any good location for the meetup? Thanks in advance. Pro bug catcher (talk • contribs). 02:17, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I live on the South Shore. I do the road trips almost everyday from home to UQAM, but apart from the UQAM's Complexe des Sciences, the Montreal Botanical Garden and Insectarium and the Bibliothèque Nationale, I don't know Montreal that well. I know how to use Google maps, the metro, buses and my feet, but thats not enough to give me a good location idea. Pro bug catcher (talk • contribs). 02:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Which make me think... An ideal location would be easy to go to by public transit. (I'll post the question to other users but not tonight). Pro bug catcher (talk • contribs). 02:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I hitch a ride from two people I know working in Montreal. They go to work with or without me, plus it's free (even better than a metro pass). But for Saturday I will use the Yellow Line indeed, 2$ a ticket is worth it. Pro bug catcher (talk • contribs). 03:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Dead links

(I accidently rolled-back your post on my talk page, intending to respond there. Since roll-backs aren't for genuine posts, I felt I'd respond here to explain and reply.) Actually, it did occur to me, but I just felt it was an unlikely article. I did leave the link on the DAB page, but I made other changes there that you might not like either, and had it moved to the straight title. - BillCJ (talk) 19:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Kansas Turnpike

Please see Wikipedia:Redirect#Do not "fix" links to redirects that are not broken; thank you. --NE2 01:13, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Groove (Machining)

If you think you can write an encyclopedic article about this subject, please do so. What was deleted was not an encyclopedic article. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 06:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Stanza meeting AND the world is a small place

Good afternoon!

Thanks for the invitation to the Stanza meeting. However, it's sad that for some reason I was logged out of the French version of Wikipedia (always logged on in English though, same user name), and I only got the message today at 4:20PM. Just a little too late!

Also, the world is a very small place indeed, as I have worked with your daughter Antje for 8 years...

Take care, Pierre Paquette CielProfond (talk) 20:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi from Pro bug catcher

Here's the article I have worked most on: Chrysiridia rhipheus (free of links to disambiguation pages). And, just in case you didn't know about it, here is the link for Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links. It was really nice meeting you. I'll try to come next time too. (Bonus: Engrish and recent discoveries in www.engrish.com). Pro bug catcher (talk • contribs). 21:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


London and Blackwall Railway

Hi there. it appears you have a great deal to do with railway pages on Wiki. I have a little extra information on the London and Blackwall Railway - manly to do with its widening in 1885/1891. This resulted in the building of Blackwall Buildings. These are my main passion and I want to try and get a link in from the London and Blackwall page to the Blackwall Buildings page. However there is a great deal of the history of this railway line missing and I don't feel capable of adding all the in-between parts. The history as quoted appears to finish when the cable system was removed. Do you think between us we can update and enlarge this page?

Guy GoScoutUK (talk) 07:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:RailGauge

Hi Peter, I attempted to fix the problem, but don't seem to have been able to. Slambo's template is rather complex, and I think you're going to have to ask him to tackle this one. Sorry I couldn't effect the change. Best, Gwernol 13:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Tren de la Costa

Halo Peter, in regards to orientation of map, upside down would have been totally incorrect, maybe vertically with Rio de la Plata on the right may be correct as maps are usually oriented North, but in many cases in maps of cities, traditionally before the advent of air travel, the body of waters where in the lower section disregarding cardinal points and this is the approach on this map and is very acceptable today, maybe i should have added a "N" arrow, anyway, thanks for updating technical info on article. ~ Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 17:35, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Ferrocarril Central Andino

I've taken a run at revising the history section, as requested. Please let me know what you think. - Dravecky (talk) 02:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks I'll be in Europe for 3 weeks, starting this coming Monday so I'll look at it when I get back in June. Peter Horn 01:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Station centrale d'autobus

I added some information about the replacement bus station being built next to the Station centrale d'autobus in Montreal, but I do not know if there have been any recent announcements about when the bus lines will move to the new building. --Eastmain (talk) 01:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Rivière des Mille Isles

Regarding this edit, can you tell me exactly what you had been attempting, and why you think it failed? This is the City of Laval's web site, and it looks just fine to me. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 19:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Montreal Metro Tunnel

Peter, Are you new to Wikipedia? If I've made a mistake, you could always politely point it out to me, and, you know, revert it. I'm not really sure what the issue is, but you're quite welcome to let me know after you've given Wikipedia:Civility a read. Thanks, babe. Kinou (talk) 20:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good! Kinou (talk) 03:50, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Highway 25 bridge

I just started an article on the bridge that is currently under construction in the east end of Laval. Although it is still a stub at the moment, I envision an article in which every step of the construction process of a cable-stayed bridge will be documented. It is at Highway 25 Bridge (Quebec). -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 01:00, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

CRT Lanaudière

Thanks for your help on the CIT articles. I am currently working on 'CRT Lanaudière', including information about 'Transport en commun de la MRC Les Moulins' and 'RTC de la MRC de L'Assomption'. I can research all this extensively online but I need supplemental on-the-scene reporting and someone who can check the "facts" like Joe Friday. I will create this article in a few days and would appreciate your feedback. Thanks again. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 00:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

TCV // Addition

This is ONLY for CITSO, CITHSL, CITVR Ville de Saint-Julie, and RTL 86/87

All other TCV routes remain untouched (may have change of departure gates but all others remain in TCV)

See for more info: http://www.amt.qc.ca/comm/affiche_avisaux.asp?no=655

Alex@MTRL (talk) 01:05, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Please stop

Plerase stop putting links into section headings. The Wikipedia Manual of Style says that links should not be put in headings, and that acronyms like STM should be spelled out on first use. Thank you. Ground Zero | t 17:44, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:HEAD: "Section names should not normally contain links." Ground Zero | t 17:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Laval Metro

Do you think there should still be old information on the Henri-Bourassa Terminus Nord page? Alex@MTRL (talk) 02:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Response

A History section would be great! Alex@MTRL (talk) 02:02, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

RailGauge Template

Hi Peter, re your various comments above this template. The template Template:RailGauge is protected so mere mortals like us can't edit it. You need a sympathetic admin, like User:Slambo or one of his fellow admins, to change it.Pyrotec (talk) 10:45, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Montreal suburban public transit

I have created articles for CRT Lanaudière (including details for MRC de L'Assomption and MRC Les Moulins) and CIT La Presqu'Île. For linking to the article, instead of using MRC de L'Assomption please use RTC de la MRC de L'Assomption (Réseau de transport collectif de la MRC de L'Assomption) and for MRC Les Moulins use MRC Les Moulins public transit(Transport en commun de la MRC Les Moulins). The current MRC red link names should only be used for the regions themselves not the public transit systems, which are now correctly titled. Other red links that I have eliminated are for Terminus Repentigny (AMT), Terminus Terrebonne (AMT) and Terminus Saint-Eustache (AMT), which now redirect to paragraphs within the articles on the bus services that use them. If you use the preferred redirect shown here, when the information is spun off to create a free standing article, only the redirect needs to be changed to still lead to the proper place. I think it would also be appropriate to create a similar paragraph for Autopark Georges Gagné within the CIT Roussillon article. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:46, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Wait a minute!

All those links for CIT La Presqu'Île routes open the same page. That is pointless and messy. I think you may want to link like this example to Route 1. Go to the bottom of the home page and open those links in another tab or window and continue like that until you get to the specific route you want. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 15:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll be back

I am a little busy right now - but will contact you soon about the new articles you think should be created. I can't really give it much thought at the moment. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 22:00, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Have you seen these changes? [5]

WP:LEAD

The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. It should establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and summarize the most important points—including any notable controversies that may exist. The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic according to reliable, published sources. While consideration should be given to creating interest in reading more of the article, the lead nonetheless must not "tease" the reader by hinting at—but not explaining—important facts that will appear later in the article. The lead should contain no more than four paragraphs, should be carefully sourced as appropriate, and should be written in a clear, accessible style so as to invite a reading of the full article.

PB666 yap 20:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I have appended the lead to add essential information it was lacking. I should also note that the page on the metro green line is also lacking adequate context, so that article was tagged with "too short". WP:NOTDIRECTORY WP:INDISCRIMINATE. In describing a railway station I would think its function comes first, the link you claim was in the article, not. I added it however.

Intermodal stations on Line 2 and on Deux montagnes line

Agreed. Alex@MTRL (talk) 04:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Dangerous user

Agreed. I'm carefully watching his edits for anything out of the ordinary.
Alex@MTRL (talk) 01:55, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

This editor is not dangerous. The amendements made to the one station article (yes one) were a little clumsy, but there were still valid points made which should be noted when working on other similar articles. The view of an outsider, who does not understand the subject, is important. If they can understand the article and become interested in the subject then you have passed the test. Otherwise you are just preaching to the converted. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 13:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
. . . and now you are making the same edit to every other metro station. You must be vewy, vewy dangewous! -Secondarywaltz (talk) 12:36, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I was just teasing you (Elmer Fudd shuld not be taken seriously). I do appreciate what you have been doing. Now that you mention it, my thought on the lead for most of these same articles is that to complete the description it should also include the location, intersction or address that is usually found isolated much further down the page. For Jean-Drapeau (Montreal Metro), information that was previously divided under several headings, is now integrated into a fuller description. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for welcoming me to the English language Wikipedia. I had already contributed in the past under an IP address. I'm now glad I merged all my Wiki accounts and can now contribute everywhere under the Phil13 pseudonym. My main account is on Commons where I upload pictures taken on holidays or simply around Montreal. Phil13 (talk) 16:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

When I merged my different Wiki accounts for the single unified login, there was already a user called Phil13 on the English Wikipedia. The procedure then calls for a bureaucrat to determine who should be the true owner of the pseudonym. I won and took over the Phil13 pseudonym on the English Wikipedia so I could have the same pseudonym across all accounts. The other person is therefore now called Phil13 (usurped), hence the two talk pages. Phil13 (talk) 17:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

You're welcome bud! After all, I also live in Chomedey. Where in Chomedey do you live? HabsMTL (talk) 22:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

STL 902

Hi Peter,

I know, I removed the word Express back when the AMT let this route go. I assumed that the STL wasn't going to market this as an Express as it clearly isn't.

Alex (kellerGraham) Alex@MTRL (talk) 00:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

A question of syntax

Please continue this conversation here.

  1. Frontenac is a station on the Montreal Metro rapid transit system in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, operated by the Société de transport de Montréal (STM).
  2. Frontenac is a station on the Montreal Metro rapid transit system, operated by the Société de transport de Montréal (STM) in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
Option 1 says that "Montreal is operated by the STM", while option 2 says that the "rapid transit system is operated by the STM".

How about two sentences to make it easier to read. First one for what and second for where.

"Frontenac is a station on the Green Line of the Montreal Metro rapid transit system operated by the Société de transport de Montréal (STM). It is located at 2570, rue Ontario est, between rue Frontenac and rue du Havre, in the borough of Ville-Marie in Montreal, Quebec, Canada."

This would require a little more work but would result in better articles. The headings for address and nearby intersections would now be redundant because they would now be including in the text. Well written prose is preferred in writing a good article, whereas lots of headings, lists and tables can make a page disjointed, especially in these examples where only a few words are usually under each heading. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 15:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. Peter Horn 15:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

In the case of metro station addresses follow what is on the template

In case a street is not yet on the template, it can be added. The English version takes precidence over the French version, the latter can be a redirect. Peter Horn 15:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Should the address be a parameter in the station infobox? -Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:01, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Not a bad idea if the info box can be revised, i.e., if it is not protected. Peter Horn 16:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Universal, copy and paste into the articles and then fill in the blanks.


I prefer the first one. Seems easier to read...

Alex 01:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I would tend to agree. When a metro station has more than two entrances it becomes messy to put all of them in the paragraph after "It is located at Blank ," So lets revise the info box(es) Peter Horn 21:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Glad to see you have added "address" to the Montreal Metro infobox - you have a lot of work to do. But now you are writing prose in the infobox by extensively describing the location and entrances. If you had to fill in a form for your own personal information, and there was an space for "address", would you include a description of your house like that? You would simply state the street and number. Same goes for an infobox, which should only contain the equivalent of name, rank and serial number. The introduction is still the place to include a description of where the station is located geographically, by streets, intersections and neighbourhoods. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I will continue and take your remarks in consideration. After that I'll go back on the ones already done and correct them, or you may correct them if you have time. Remember that some stations have more than one or two entrances. Peter Horn 16:55, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
In some (or many) cases the entrance does not have a civic number of its own but is within a neighbouring building; this complicates matters. Peter Horn 17:15, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Keep up the good work - I have more public transit systems coming soon. I will tidy up Montreal Metro stations where and when I can. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

New AMT Terminus articles

Peter. Note that a user has moved information from CIT articles we worked on, to create articles for Terminus Repentigny (AMT), Terminus Saint-Eustache (AMT) amd Terminus Terrebonne (AMT), on their former redirect pages. He got a few things wrong. I did a quick cleanup, but they need to be expanded substantially. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 21:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Bus routes

You should not repeat detailed tables of bus routes in articles about stations and terminals. All that is required is to indicate the route numbers and link to the bus company article, where the definitive source can be viewed. Multiple versions of the same data creates unnecessary maintenance problems. As a CET you understand the problem of giving a client the wrong version of a drawing. I have seen this with CAD where it is so easy to make a duplicate electronic copy and make different edits to each version. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:15, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


disambiguation links for AMT stations

Hi, I came across Parc (AMT) while stub-sorting for WP:WSS, and out of curiosity checked whether anyone typing "Parc" would find it: no. So I added it to the PARC disambiguation page. I then looked at the template at the bottom, picked another, tried Vendome, and found that an addition to the hatnote there was needed. I looked at Bois-de-Boulogne (actually if you put that in the search box you get to Bois de Boulogne)... and gave up. Can I suggest that you or someone else interested in the AMT needs to go through each of the station names which has the "(AMT)" disambiguation, and make sure that there's a link, either in the form of a hatnote or on a disambiguation page, from the word or phrase without the "(AMT)"? That would help anyone looking for the articles to find them - and reduce the chance of someone clumsily creating a new article with their own choice of disambiguation (eg "Parc (Montreal AMT)" or something) because they don't find their way to your article. I'm addressing this to you as you seem to be the main editor on the AMT pages! Cheers, PamD (talk) 22:11, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

A lot of work, but as I understand it the whole idea of using disambiguations like "(AMT)" is that you then provide access to that title from the title without the disambiguation - just like if you type William Marshall you get access to William Marshall (potter) and all the rest of them. So you'd be doing your articles, and their potential readers, a great service by providing that sort of access! PamD (talk) 22:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Quebec public transit systems

I have created new articles for CIT du Haut-Saint-Laurent, CIT Le Richelain, CIT Chambly-Richelieu-Carignan, Sainte-Julie public transit and Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu public transit. Note that I have translated from the French transport en commun to the common North American English of public transit. "OMIT" is an out of date designation for the two systems here.
CAUTION: I have found that the AMT website may be as much as 6 or 7 years out of date with some information. If you must link to schedules and maps please consult the website of the transportation system in preference to AMT. Be careful how you format tables and links, as it is against Wikipedia policy to mimic a company's official web site. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 22:21, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Incomplete info

You recently added an incomplete and inaccurate table to Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu public transit. You should work on it in your own user sandbox that I created here: User:Peter Horn/sandbox When you have prepared it properly, only then should you move it into the article. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 22:46, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Now it has all the routes and links to appropriate pages. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 01:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Please note that in a Google search[6] the only occurrences of "OMIT Ville de Sainte-Julie" are what you have created in Wikipedia. The title does not exist. Should it be "OMIT Sainte-Julie"? -Secondarywaltz (talk) 12:22, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

If you examine the article for Sainte-Julie public transit you will notice the AMT site you "discovered" is listed under External links at the bottom of the page. Saint-Julie is no longer referred to as an OMIT, and this is a prime example of AMT being out of date. You should not refer the AMT site when there is an original source, and duplicate Schedules are just confusing. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 21:19, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
P.S. Should there be a list of all STM routes for that article? There are list and tables everywhere else.

AMT park and ride

List of Agence métropolitaine de transport park and ride lots is a nice example of the proper use of lists. Good job. When an AMT terminus exists as part of a "Name (Montreal Metro)" complex, should the heading that now says "Connecting bus routes" be changed to "Name Terminus (AMT)"? This could then have a REDIRECT for terminus references. See Angrignon (Montreal Metro) for a good example of where this would work. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 21:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Reply to Incomplete info

I agree with you Peter. There's no need to use the sandbox in that case.

Alex@MTRL (talk) 04:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

AMT Station Infobox

If you add the parameter "style=AMT Station" the headings will display in blue with white text and the name of the station in a large bold font. See Parc (AMT) and other stations on the same line. There are minor problems with s-line for AMT that I will investigate. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 22:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

AMT references

I think you misunderstand me here Peter. Linking to AMT references, when there already exists a link to the web site of the agency that the article relates to, is redundant. The definitive information comes from the operating agency and, at best, the AMT site is simply derived from that and is sometimes out of date. To use Sainte-Julie as an example - the maps from AMT are either copies of Sainte-Julie publications or just old versions. As contributors it is our job to direct readers to that definitive source and not overload them with confusing duplicate links. -Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:26, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

RE: Centre Sheraton

We don't keep pages because they have links to them. I deleted it after its Proposed deletion was uncontested. What exactly is the problem? - Rjd0060 (talk) 00:45, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

If they were proposed for deletion, I would have. - Rjd0060 (talk) 00:53, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Perry

I think you misunderstand the purpose of hatnotes at the top of articles, which are to help readers to reach the article they are looking for. Adding a link to Perry (disambiguation) from someone whose surname happens to be Perry is really not useful. Please also read Disambiguating article names that are not ambiguous, as Chris Perry (footballer) (for example) is not ambiguous and does not require a link back to Chris Perry. Please consider reverting such edits. Thanks. --Jameboy (talk) 23:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of who added it,
For other people named Chris Perry, see Chris Perry (disambiguation).
is not required, per Disambiguating article names that are not ambiguous. If someone arrives at Chris Perry (footballer), it is clear they aren't looking for any of the other Chris Perrys, as Chris Perry does not redirect there.
For other uses, see Perry (disambiguation).
is also not required, and if it were then we would need to link to the person's surname (and maybe first name too) from every single biographical article in Wikipedia, not just the Perrys. Are you advocating that John Lee Hooker's article should say the following?
For other uses, see John.
For other uses, see Lee.
For other uses, see Hooker.
Example: If I'm looking for someone Perry, a tennis player whose first name I have forgotten, I might type in 'Perry', which takes me to the drink, perry. This is the primary use of 'perry', so does need a hatnote link for people looking for other uses. The drink is not what I want, so I then follow the link to other uses, perry (disambiguation), look down the list and see Fred Perry, which is what I was looking for. But having arrived at the article Fred Perry, I have found what I am looking for; there's no need to disambiguate here, as nothing ambiguous redirects here. How could I have arrived at Fred Perry if I was looking for anything else? Elvis Presley does require a hatnote however, as Elvis redirects there (as the primary topic) and I might be looking for a different Elvis. I guess you are trying to give the user a convenient link back to the disambig page, but if they do choose the wrong option they can simply click the 'back' button on their browser. Any other connection between the different uses or names is purely trivial and not required.
I hope this is clear. If you still think I'm wrong (which can happen) please feel free to discuss at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation. Disambiguation should be so straightforward yet is frequently complex and I still have trouble with it! Cheers. --Jameboy (talk) 05:53, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Hope you don't mind, but I moved your comment from Talk:Chris Perry (disambiguation) to Talk:Chris Perry. I then made Talk:Chris Perry (disambiguation) redirect to Talk:Chris Perry (talk page redirect to match disambig page redirect). I will now try to disambiguate any mainspace links that point to Chris Perry (see [7]). Talk, user talk links etc should remain. I didn't quite understand the comment you made on the dab talk page, can you explain what you mean? --Jameboy (talk) 17:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
You would use the Template:otherpeople2 template instead of Template:otherpersons. But as I tried to explain before, if you look at Disambiguating article names that are not ambiguous, you will see that in this case, a hatnote isn't necessary at all. --Jameboy (talk) 18:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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