User talk:Paper9oll/Archive 10

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ℹ️ This is archived talk page

If you wish to contact me, please click here to start a new discussion thread.



Blue Dragon Film Awards

Hi @Paper9oll! I noticed that you have changed the formatting for the Accolades section of Decision to Leave, and separated the wins from the nominations.

I believe we should keep the same order of the award categories as they are presented on the awards pages. For example, the list of awards for 43rd Blue Dragon Film Awards should be ordered by Best Film first, then Best Director, Best Actor, Best Actress, ... in that order. If you check all the past korean films up to last year, that is always the format followed. Please advise. Wheezythewave (talk) 14:57, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Wheezythewave, in short, No. The format you mentioned above is incorrect format and inconsistency with the recommended format seen across well-maintained A&N/Accolades tables including featured list-classes A&N/Accolades list's articles. If you check all the past Korean films up to last year, that is always the format followed, this is because no one bothered to maintain it, all they care about is copy-pasting it and goodbye onto next article. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:42, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Paper9oll. Thanks for the quick response.
Can you give some specific examples for well-maintained Accolades tables in the featured list articles? Frankly, I have never seen any Accolades tables before where wins and nominations are grouped separately. Even hollywood films, like The Godfather or Gone with the Wind, which I assume likely have well-maintained Accolades tables due to being frequently edited pages, are grouped by order of categories. Wheezythewave (talk) 16:10, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
@Wheezythewave Fyi, there is no differences between Accolades table and Awards and nominations table, both are same with different heading only. And my terminology of "well-maintained" and "consistency" refers to articles within Wikiproject Korea scope not outside, here are few examples (I don't have time to go dig out a bunch of links) of mixture of television and music ones, List of awards and nominations received by BTS, List of awards and nominations received by Aespa, The Red Sleeve, The King's Affection for your references — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:38, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
I see. Thank you, that makes sense. And I'm aware A&N = Accolades. Wheezythewave (talk) 20:06, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 November 2022

* Read this Signpost in full * Single-page * Unsubscribe * MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:42, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-48

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • A new preference, “Enable limited width mode”, has been added to the Vector 2022 skin. The preference is also available as a toggle on every page if your monitor is 1600 pixels or wider. It allows for increasing the width of the page for logged-out and logged-in users. [1]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 November. It will be on all wikis from 1 December (calendar).
  • Some wikis will be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. It will be performed on 29 November at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis) and on 1 December at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis).
  • Mathematical formulas shown in SVG image format will no longer have PNG fall-backs for browsers that don't support them. This is part of work to modernise the generation system. Showing only PNG versions was the default option until in February 2018. [2][3][4]
  • On some wikis that use flagged revisions, a new checkbox will be added to Special:Contributions that enables you to see only the pending changes by a user. [5]

Future changes

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

MediaWiki message delivery 20:01, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Xdinary Heroes infobox photo

Hello, @Paper9oll! Can I ask if the photo recently added in the infobox of Xdinary Heroes is not a copyright violation? Thanks! - jampol 11:29, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jpmagabo9, it is obvious copyrighted image. I have requested CSD for it. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:52, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks! - jampol 13:16, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – December 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2022).

CheckUser changes

removed TheresNoTime

Oversight changes

removed TheresNoTime

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • A new preference named "Enable limited width mode" has been added to the Vector 2022 skin. The preference is also shown as a toggle on every page if your monitor is 1600 pixels or wider. When disabled it removes the whitespace added by Vector 2022 on the left and right of the page content. Disabling this preference has the same effect as enabling the wide-vector-2022 gadget. (T319449)

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:44, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-49

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • The Wikisources use a tool called ProofreadPage. ProofreadPage uses OpenSeadragon which is an open source tool. The OpenSeadragon JavaScript API has been significantly re-written to support dynamically loading images. The functionality provided by the older version of the API should still work but it is no longer supported. User scripts and gadgets should migrate over to the newer version of the API. The functionality provided by the newer version of the API is documented on MediaWiki. [7][8]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 December. It will be on all wikis from 8 December (calendar).

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

MediaWiki message delivery 00:39, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

NewJeans Wikipage

Did you even READ the justifications I gave for the changes I made before reverting them? First of all, NewJeans doesn't have official positions and a definite leader, the reference list on member Minji where says she is the leader is not from an official source of ADOR who manages the group, the group and its members have already confirmed through its messaging application "Phoning" that the group don't have defined positions and a leader (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh82xzvJJoI). Second, about NewJeans Code in Busan in the Filmography part, the reference itself used in the reference gap says that the program in question is a Reality show. 45.183.20.88 (talk) 01:37, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Firstly, Wikipedia writes according to what reliable sources mentioned reported as NOT according to fans recorded YouTube videos of the artists with fan-generated subtitles. Secondly, reality shows is a form of television shows. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-50

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 December. It will be on all wikis from 15 December (calendar).
  • The HTML markup used by DiscussionTools to show discussion metadata below section headings will be inserted after these headings, not inside of them. This change improves the accessibility of discussion pages for screen reader software. [11]

Events

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

MediaWiki message delivery 23:32, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

About AndyFung98

Hi Paper9oll, I would like your advice on how to get through to AndyFung98 about following the Wikipedia Manuel of Style. This editor keeps using the original all-caps style of albums when editing in 2022 in South Korean music. I would like the editor to stop but the editor does not respond on their talk page. Should I report the editor to administrators? Lightoil (talk) 08:07, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@Lightoil Yes they should be reported to administrators at WP:ANI, their behaviour is considered as disruptive editing as they refuse to WP:LISTEN in which all editors are required to WP:COMMUNICATE. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 08:16, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
Okay thanks for your advice Lightoil (talk) 08:20, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Seventeen

hi regarding to the removal of my contibution to the article can you please put it back it doesn't have a citation because I need to rest so I couldn't put it anymore, regarding also in seventeens numbers of nominations and wins I counted everything. So I'm asking if you can put it back again cause its hard to find. Thank You! 110.235.178.10 (talk) 06:23, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

@110.235.177.10 NO! Please read WP:BURDEN and WP:RS. In addition, sources like Soompi, Allkpop, Koreaboo, etc are considered unreliable sources per WP:KO/RS hence any sources listed under WP:KO/RS#UR would be reverted when added onto articles maintained under the WikiProject Korea scope in which you did that. Lastly, DO NOT link Wikipedia as source per WP:CIRCULAR which you also did. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:54, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Oh okay, sorry my bad, I didn't know that Soompi, Allkpop. Koreaboo, etc was considered as unreliable sources and my bad also for using wikipedia as a source. I act badly and sounded disrespectful and I think I won't edit anymore as I did a mistake. Please edit seventeen's List of Awards and Nominations properly and keep it updated. Thank you and Sorry. 110.235.178.10 (talk) 15:25, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
@110.235.177.10 No worries, thankfully you understood the guidelines and policies well. You can still continue to contribute constructive as long as you provide reliable sources that isn't listed under WP:KO/RS#UR and not marked as unreliable source under WP:RS/P. Fyi, blogs (Blogspot, Wordpress, Medium, etc) and forums are considered as unreliable sources per WP:SPS hence can't be used as citations here. Social media posts (from official accounts only) can be used as citations but its usage should be caution, secondary reliable news sources should always be used instead if available. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:40, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Tagging of Dispute with Hook Entertainment

Hi, regarding the tagging on this section under LeeSeungGi Wiki page, may I ask what is the solution to address this? Since I can’t redirect this to a different page as well. Carol6677 (talk) 16:43, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

@Carol6677 The maintenance template is already self-explanatory if you even bothered reading. The section contains an excessive amount of intricate detail that may interest only a particular audience, in addition, it's also heavily coatracked with unnecessary detail that interest only a particular audience. The section is also heavily violates WP:NOTNEWS. In short, summaries the key points only. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:50, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi, ok, thanks for helping. I’m sorry I accidentally tagged your page a while ago. There are still so many rules in Wiki i haven’t learned yet Carol6677 (talk) 16:54, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Extraordinary Attorney Woo

Hi @Paper9oll, you recently reverted an edit made by User:Irishhawk on the Extraordinary Attorney Woo page, without providing an explanation. Can you please clarify why this was done and why you didn't leave an edit summary? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 05:55, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku WOW WOW WOW ... is this seriously a question??? Regardless ... Firstly, the reversion is already self-explanatory but since you couldn't exactly understand why then read go Template:Infobox television#Parameters. Secondly, edit summary is not a must but encourage which I as WP:XC completely embed into my mind however I don't see the need to feed IPs with edit summaries when they are simply either too bored and/or are trolling around. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:16, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
@Paper9oll you really could do better than having such a condescending attitude to other editors. Your revert isn't self-explanatory, Template:Infobox television#Parameters demonstrates that you are mistaken. The show has been renewed, so it should say "present". Lastly, you don't always need to leave an edit summary, but when you revert someone else's work, you should always do so. This is professional and courteous.Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:02, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
@Revirvlkodlaku Not interested in addressing your first sentence. Pertaining to your second sentence, it should be self-explanatory for the pros, I'm actually surprised that you needed me to explain it when you have edited tons of articles in mainspace of various genres, to me personally, it's obvious, however it's alright, for sake of other editors, I will write it out to them for context. I'm not mistaken even though I know that there is second season already confirmed for 2024, however the current practice throughout all South Korea television series that has confirmed seasons beyond 1st season is to maintain the last aired date till the 1st episode of new season started airing. Even if we were to go by the book (template's documentation), it also clearly stated that if the 1st episode of the new season that would aired and/or confirmed to aired 12 months or beyond, the end date of last aired episode of the last season should be used instead. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:24, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-51

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Tech News

  • Because of the holidays the next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 9 January 2023.

Recent changes

  • On a user's contributions page, you can filter it for edits with a tag like 'reverted'. Now, you can also filter for all edits that are not tagged like that. This was part of a Community Wishlist 2022 request. [12]
  • A new function has been used for gadget developers to add content underneath the title on article pages. This is considered a stable API that should work across all skins. Documentation is available. [13]
  • One of our test wikis is now being served from a new infrastructure powered by Kubernetes (read more). More Wikis will switch to this new infrastructure in early 2023. Please test and let us know of any issues. [14]

Problems

  • Last week, all wikis had no edit access for 9 minutes. This was caused by a database problem. [15]

Changes later this week

  • There is no new MediaWiki version this week or next week.
  • The word "Reply" is very short in some languages, such as Arabic ("ردّ"). This makes the Discussion tools button on talk pages difficult to use. An arrow icon will be added to those languages. This will only be visible to editors who have the Beta Feature turned on. [16] [17]

Future changes

  • Edits can be automatically "tagged" by the system software or the Edit filter configuration system. Those tags link to a help page about the tags. Soon they will also link to Recent Changes to let you see other edits tagged this way. This was a Community Wishlist 2022 request. [18]
  • The Trust & Safety tools team have shared new plans for building the Private Incident Reporting System. The system will make it easier for editors to ask for help if they are harassed or abused.
  • Realtime Preview for Wikitext is coming out of beta as an enabled feature for every user of the 2010 Wikitext editor in the week of January 9, 2023. It will be available to use via the toolbar in the 2010 Wikitext editor. The feature was the 4th most popular wish of the Community Wishlist Survey 2021.

Events

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

MediaWiki message delivery 23:58, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Can you help me?

I really want to put up one of the ‘Love Dive’ teaser photos (specifically the ones with them in the angel school outfits) for the Love Dive song by IVE. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Dive_(song)#/editor/0 96.43.160.30 (talk) 14:26, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

@96.43.160.30 NO! Please read WP:IUP. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:28, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
Yes but how do I upload it without it getting copyrighted? Jjjjfghh (talk) 14:32, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
@Jjjjfghh You can't upload it without getting copyright strike, there is NO workaround. Don't even try gaming the system. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:40, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
There is a similar photo that isn’t copyrighted will that work? Jjjjfghh (talk) 14:51, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
This photo I found on last.fm but that’s not fair use? Jjjjfghh (talk) 14:58, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
@Jjjjfghh Which part of my comments isn't clear??? If you even bothered reading WP:IUP, you would have gotten the answer to your latest 2 queries. In short, NO. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:08, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Le Sserafim Wiki

Why do you keep deleting my edits? I find it weird when i’ve sourced (1) Garam’s instagram account with her post of the official school document , (2) a kpop news source for my edits. How is it disruptive in any way? The wiki gives very vague information about why her contract was terminated, so i just added five words to clear it up which has been removed two times. Mei090197 (talk) 14:14, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mei090197 Both are unreliable sources per WP:SOCIALMEDIA and WP:KO/RS#UR. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:20, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
I see. I’ll try to fine a more reliable website before i edit again. Mei090197 (talk) 15:34, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
@Mei090197 Your latest edit still shows that your action doesn't tally with your words of "I'll try to fine a more reliable website before i edit again" as you added WP:SPS and WP:UCG. Please go and read the entire WP:VERIFY and in particularly on WP:SOURCE and WP:NOTRELIABLE, and also the entire WP:RS. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:31, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
Please check my sources before disproving them. I really don’t understand what wikipedia wants as a source. Even an official post from the person involved is not ‘reliable enough’. Videos, articles, none are enough. This case is not high profile enough to be talked about by the new york times, or any other big news names. Will be linking a post from namu after this, i really don’t care if you suspend this account because as i mentioned, it is very important to let people know about her innocence in this case (5 words mind you) which you have been continuously preventing me to do. The wiki has very vague mentions of her, and does not go into the events after her dismissal or even a mention of her innocence being proven by records from the school violence commitee. It’s such a shame that wikipedia is preventing such an important factor in the group’s history from being published in an article. Mei090197 (talk) 16:39, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
@Mei090197 Your rants IS NOT my problem. I had linked the relevant WP:GUIDELINES and WP:POLICIES pages for you to read on however you blatantly decided not to do so as you boldly stated above. And btw, Namuwiki is considered as unreliable source per WP:KO/RS#UR in which I have also linked this page above if you even bothered viewing it which I doubt you did otherwise you wouldn't be stating that boldly above. The WP:BURDEN is on you to provide a reliable source to prove it in which WP:KO/RS#R listed a bunch of South Korean news agencies which are considered as reliable sources, if these bunch of South Korean news agencies reported it then the content would have been included by regular editors of the article, however there may be a possibilities that such information MAY have been omitted due to WP:VNOT. Le Sserafim is South Korean group and Kim Ga-ram is also South Korean hence don't come and bullshit me that there isn't such news published by South Korean news agencies, you wanted to add that sentence hence as stated earlier, the WP:BURDEN is on to prove it NOT my responsibility to prove it. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:49, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Hello Paper9oll: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Sarrail (talk) 16:17, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message

Sarrail (talk) 16:17, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks you and happy holidays to you. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:49, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

CAPTAIN RAJU(T) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Don't eat yellow snow!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:Flaming/MC2008}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 17:10, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks you and Happy Holidays to you. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:43, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello. Edit page of Lee Min Ho

My pen name is Teri Lynn Lee. I edited the page to let his readers know about our book "Disguised as Love" that has been published in Amazon Kindle and Amazon.com. Lee Min Ho is the co-author of the book. We have been working together now for a year. I do have his permission to add our book to his accomplishments. His agency, MYM Entertainment and the CEO know of the books, Lee Min Ho and I are writing.

Thank you, Teri Lynn Lee LeeTeriLynn (talk) 06:12, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

@LeeTeriLynn I don't care who you are, your edits to Lee Min-ho article is considered as WP:VANDALISM and/or WP:DISRUPTIVE EDITING. Please read WP:BLP, WP:RS, WP:VERIFY, WP:SPAM, and WP:PROMOTION. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:40, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Extraordinary Attorney Woo

Hi @Paper9oll, thank you for your continued input on the Extraordinary Attorney Woo page. Recently, you reverted an edit made by User:Irishhawk, and you opened your summary with the words "learn how to read". This is condescending and rude, besides being unnecessary. You stress on your talk page that anyone wishing to communicate with you should be cooperative and respectful. Please be sure to extend the same treatment to other editors. Thank you. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:23, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku Well it's appropriate imo as Irishhawk reverted a revision which clearly already has intensive length of explanation in the edit summary, if he/she doesn't bothered reading and decided to reverted without due care with their reasoning of "reference exists" then there is nothing I can do other than asking them to "learn how to read" (maybe using "please read first" would be more kind but it may be also considered "condescending, rude, and unnecessary" for you, interpretation varies depending on multiple factors such as person, countries, regions, etc.) properly first. The reversion imo is also reckless with reasoning that imo is a complete disregard of the template's documentation (which is clearly mentioned and linked in the reversion's edit summary that he/she reverted on) and in turn WP:MOS hence in my view is no intention of cooperation. Imo, this is equivalent to disruptive editing by insisting to add back something when other editors already provided a reasoning which is in accordance to official guidelines and not something pucked out of thin air, just like one does not add something that WP:NEXIST because it's fact without getting reverted. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 03:39, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
I'm not convinced by your evaluation of the situation. You are being uncharitable to Irishawk, attributing motives to them that there is scant evidence for. Regardless, I'm not here to argue with you but to encourage you once more to avoid using condescending language, as that is never acceptable, no matter how justified you believe your position to be. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 04:33, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
@Revirvlkodlaku Well I'm not convincing you just replying to you. Neither am I interested with arguing with you. I also don't see how "learn how to read" is considered as condescending, I don't view the word/term/meaning of condescending as such, as mentioned earlier the word/term/meaning is opened to multiple interpretation and varies depending on multiple factors such as person, countries, regions, etc. Regardless, I will reword my sentence and include words like "Please" which is much kinder ("learn how to read" is already kind enough but anyway...) and less agressive in the future. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:20, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi protected edit requests

Con you please do all the edit requests? 103.154.37.26 (talk) 05:28, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

@103.154.37.26 Hi, could you elaborate more? Like which edit requests, you are referring to as I don't see any pending edit requests that you have filed that isn't answered yet. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:33, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Here one of my edit request have done by one user.[19] But that is reveted because of that user blocked as sock.[20] Asking you to restore it. Thanks. 103.154.37.26 (talk) 06:07, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
@103.154.37.26 Please submit your request again on the respective pages that has the edit request reverted, another editor will come by to response to it. Apologies for that as I'm not comfortable with restoring edits made by socks. Thanks you for your understanding! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:14, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Ok. No need to restore. I'll request it, please do it. Here it is.[21] 103.154.37.26 (talk) 06:16, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
@103.154.37.26 As mentioned earlier, please wait for another editor to come by to response to the request. Apologies for not helping out. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:28, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Edit Summaries

Not to be blunt but I feel like you need to chill a tiny bit with your edit summaries a bit because when you post a thing yelling at someone in your edit summary, someone patrolling recent changes will get concerned and have to investigate. I'm someone. I'm referring to "What is this again??? Broken your promise to check??? Or rushing to edit other article so no one can steal it from you??? Already lost count, how many times I have remind you on such". Like maybe settle this on talk pages?? I don't blame you, the situation sounds frustrating and I got some entertainment but it was a very concerning thing to come across. Queenofconfusion (talk) 13:32, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

@Queenofconfusion Oops my bad, sorry as this isn't the first time that Aoowassana continuous mistakes of editing without due care. I had already informed them multiple times be it via ping them via edit summary or having intensive communication via their talk page but every single time, I get the response of "sorry and I will check before publishing" but sadly for whatever reasons that I cannot understand, it's still happening. This editor also has the tendency to also editing at very fast pace causing more mistakes which I had also remind them multiple times via their talk page but same thing. At least, you get some entertainment lol. Anyway, happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:45, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

The Signpost: 1 January 2023

* Read this Signpost in full * Single-page * Unsubscribe * MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:46, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Paper9oll,
Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 23:08, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
– Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year}} to user talk pages.
Thanks you and Happy New Year to you and your loved ones. — 🎄🎆 Paper9oll 🎆🎄 (🔔 • 📝) 04:27, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Paper9oll,
Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 05:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
– Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year}} to user talk pages.
NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 05:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Paper9oll,
Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! ReVeluv02 (talk) 08:31, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
– Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year}} to user talk pages.
ReVeluv02 (talk) 08:31, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Paper9oll!

Happy New Year!

Paper9oll,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
Abishe (talk) 12:30, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Abishe (talk) 12:30, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Paper9oll,
Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 00:04, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
– Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year}} to user talk pages.
Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 00:04, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Running Man

You should really brush up on your Wikipedia guidelines. MOS:DONTHIDE is a guideline, which means it has passed community scrutiny and is accepted as good and best practice. Wikipedia:COMMONSENSE, on the other hand, redirects to Wikipedia:What "Ignore all rules" means which is an essay. That means it has zero weight in any discussion and is basically a personal opinion. Trying to use a Wikipedia:COMMONSENSE rational to ignore MOS:DONTHIDE for a situation which is exactly what it addresses it just bizarre. Even more, when the guideline clearly explains that mobile users might not be able to see all of the hidden text. Gonnym (talk) 11:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

No brushing up required on my end neither on your end, using WP:COMMONSENSE is perfect for such situation to describe MOS:DONTHIDE because the rationale makes zero sense, we shouldn't always be obsessed with following the guidelines and policies. I wouldn't disagreed implementing MOS:DONTHIDE on short-medium length articles, however for Running Man which is obviously super long in scrolling length after removing both Template:Hidden begin and Template:Hidden end is to me, a lack of common sense, in which IAR should take precedent. And also, both templates doesn't work on mobile which it stated clearly hence "mobile users might not be able to see all of the hidden text" is literally lol, and of course it also stated it shouldn't be used on mainspace but yeah ... still used in 100K articles, what an absurd figure ... lawless. Of which, also noting that MOS:DONTHIDE is as what I read as self-contradicting (self as in the guidelines itself) guidelines. Regardless, I'm just complaining about it which I know perfectly is useless doing so. Anyway, happy new year and happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2022).

Guideline and policy news

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

  • Voting for the Sound Logo has closed and the winner is expected to be announced February to April 2023.
  • Tech tip: You can view information about IP addresses in a centralised location using bullseye which won the Newcomer award in the recent Coolest Tool Awards.
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:09, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

2022 Winter SM Town: SMCU Palace

Hello, @Paper9oll! May I ask if the maintenance template in 2022 Winter SM Town: SMCU Palace can be removed now? Just asking for a clarification, as far as I know, as long as the album charted in any national chart, the album is notable enough, am I correct? Thanks! - jampol 14:32, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Jpmagabo9, yes, you're right. I have removed it. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:34, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Purple Kiss edit

Hello. What is wrong with me adding "stylized as PURPLE K!SS" on the Purple Kiss article? It has always been stylized that way. HoneyKpop (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

@HoneyKpop Please read WP:MOS. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:10, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Tech News: 2023-02

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You can use tags to filter edits in the recent changes feed or on your watchlist. You can now use tags to filter out edits you don't want to see. Previously you could only use tags to focus on the edits with those tags. [22]
  • Special:WhatLinksHere shows all pages that link to a specific page. There is now a prototype for how to sort those pages alphabetically. You can see the discussion in the Phabricator ticket.
  • You can now use the thanks function on your watchlist and the user contribution page. [23]
  • A wiki page can be moved to give it a new name. You can now get a dropdown menu with common reasons when you move a page. This is so you don't have to write the explanation every time. [24]
  • Matrix is a chat tool. You can now use matrix: to create Matrix links on wiki pages. [25]
  • You can filter out translations when you look at the recent changes on multilingual wikis. This didn't hide translation pages. You can now also hide subpages which are translation pages. [26]

Changes later this week

  • Realtime preview for wikitext is a tool which lets editors preview the page when they edit wikitext. It will be enabled for all users of the 2010 wikitext editor. You will find it in the editor toolbar.
  • Some wikis will be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. It will be performed on 10 January at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis) and on 12 January at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis).
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 January. It will be on all wikis from 12 January (calendar).

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

MediaWiki message delivery 01:06, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Release formats

Hi @Paper9oll! I am currently working on a draft for Xdinary Heroes' Happy Death Day. The song was released as a digital single, however, StudioJ released a limited quantity of physical albums as a prize to an streaming event. I just wanna ask if I can include CD as a release format? Thanks! - jampol 14:13, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

@Jpmagabo9 If you have the date and is mentioned somewhere in the body of the article (not the Infobox as Infobox should only contain the initial release date) with reliable sources (can be primary source from the label itself as well if no reliable sources could be found) provided. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:17, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Can I consider the date of the announcement of winners as the release date? - jampol 15:05, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
@Jpmagabo9 If there isn't any official date available then you shouldn't be including it into the Release history table and also given that it isn't actually distributed to everyone but only a selected few of which, how much exactly is that few also, however for such information you may mentioned in prose form in the article body such as like in the Background and release section. Do take note of WP:NOT and also WP:INDISCRIMINATE. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:25, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
I'll take note of these, thank you so much! - jampol 15:34, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello again, @Paper9oll! Could you please take a look at Draft:Happy Death Day (song)? I just wanna ask for your opinion about the said draft. Thank you! - jampol 02:12, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

@Jpmagabo9 The draft was already reviewed and moved to mainspace. Article is well written, keep up the good work. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:58, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Sockpuppet found

I have found a sockpuppet which has edited the pages Jihyo and Mina and Dahyun ,I want you to file case on the account as the reason I don't how to file a new case. Listing the account below

ArmyOnceBlinkMidzy (talk) 05:58, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

@ArmyOnceBlinkMidzy  Done, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Armayle salari — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:53, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you ArmyOnceBlinkMidzy (talk) 09:56, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Armayle salari

I appreciate your correcting my mistake, but next time please ping me. The account I removed didn't get tagged (I just did so). Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:43, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

@Bbb23 Noted, will ping next time. Thanks! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:47, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

CC License

Hello! I just wanna ask if a screenshot from this video be uploaded? YouTube Video

The description says that the original uploader allows reuse, but I am not sure what CC License should I use. Is it CC Attribution 3.0 Unported? Thanks so much! - jampol 03:48, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

@Jpmagabo9 Yes can be uploaded to Commons Wikimedia, just add {{YouTube}} (select and copy) template for the licensing, this template automatically handles which CC license, YouTube actually uses. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:44, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! - jampol 13:41, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Track listing

Hi @Paper9oll! I just want to ask if singles like Happy Death Day (song) still need a track list? My another question is that, the word "instrumental" stated as is or is it needed to be abbreviated? Thanks! - jampol 16:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Jpmagabo9 It depends, for "Happy Death Day", there is instrumental track so it's fine to include track list section. In most article that I've came across, the word "instrumental" is abbreviated. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:32, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you! - jampol 01:14, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

The Signpost: 16 January 2023

* Read this Signpost in full * Single-page * Unsubscribe * MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:14, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Tech News: 2023-03

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • The URLs in "prev" links on page history now contain diff=prev&oldid=[revision ID] in place of diff=[revision ID]&oldid=[revision ID]. This is to fix a problem with links pointing to incorrect diffs when history was filtered by a tag. Some user scripts may break as a result of this change. [27]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 January. It will be on all wikis from 19 January (calendar).
  • Some changes to the appearance of talk pages have only been available on Talk: and User talk: namespaces. These will be extended to other talk namespaces, such as Wikipedia talk:. They will continue to be unavailable in non-talk namespaces, including Wikipedia: pages (e.g., at the Village Pump). You can change your preferences (beta feature). [28]
  • On Wikisources, when an image is zoomed or panned in the Page: namespace, the same zoom and pan settings will be remembered for all Page: namespace pages that are linked to a particular Index: namespace page. [29]
  • The Vector 2022 skin will become the default for the English Wikipedia desktop users. The change will take place on January 18 at 15:00 UTC. Learn more.

Future changes

  • The 2023 edition of the Community Wishlist Survey, which invites contributors to make technical proposals and vote for tools and improvements, starts next week on 23 January 2023 at 18:00 UTC. You can start drafting your proposals in the CWS sandbox.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

MediaWiki message delivery 01:08, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Content removal on the Loona page

Hi, I received a message from yourself stating that I hadn't provided adaquate explanation as to why I was removing information. The information was explained in the summary as "After discussions on the talk page, it has been agreed to not list the members who have won injunctions as "former" for the time being.", which was what I was doing and what had been discussed on the talk page, including with yourself -- and given that you have edited the page since to align with how I had edited it, the issue must be the summary I included and not the content of the edit.

Could you please provide further insight? I'm not sure what a fuller/more adaquate edit explanation would have looked like in this context and given that I am editing entirely in good faith, it would be helpful to know what a correct/adaquate edit summary looks like, so I can avoid issues with that again. Thanks. 31.124.191.19 (talk) 15:14, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

@31.124.191.19 You removed bunch of references without providing any explanation in the edit summary. You removed B without specifying B inside your edit summary while only specifying A inside your edit summary hence it's misleading. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:02, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply.
I understand that IRT the first edit I made and will take that on board. I'm still confused IRT the second, however. IRT the second edit (that is, the one I made to only the member section), the only references I removed were that relating to the members as former members. These references were also removed when you edited the page to look like how my edit did. In the edit summary, I stated that reference to them as former members wasn't what we were going with because I had assumed on a common sense level that no longer listing the members as former members meant that references which were in the article to explain why the members were being referred to like that would also need removed.
Your edit summary in which you make the same edit mentions "duplicate references" -- so, for future reference, would my edit summary have needed to say After discussions on the talk page, it has been agreed to not list the members who have won injunctions as "former" for the time being. + Removing duplicate references? Or would I have needed to write After discussions on the talk page, it has been agreed to not list the members who have won injunctions as "former" for the time being. I have removed in-text references that refer to them as such.? Would either have worked?
Thanks for taking the time to reply, I'm just genuinely very confused. 31.124.191.19 (talk) 16:31, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
@31.124.191.19 Either way your initial edit summary was misleading as I have mentioned above using the A and B example. As long as you justify why you removed any reference(s) then it shouldn't have any issues, note that I say shouldn't not wouldn't so the possibilities of getting reverted (for whatever reasons such as objections) is still there regardless if you explained in the edit summary, this applies to not just Loona but every single articles that exists in English Wikipedia. I removed the references later not because mainly of relation to the references supporting "(former)" word/term but because the same reference was already included once in the Career section hence spamming the same reference over and over is incorrect way of citing, not sure who on earth did that in the first place. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:04, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy Chinese New Year

Wishing you a happy Chinese New Year. 恭喜发财. By the way, I like your new wiki signature. Lightoil (talk) 04:18, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

@Lightoil Thanks you, wishing you a Happy Chinese New Year. 恭喜发财 — 🍊 Paper9oll 🍊 (🔔 • 📝) 04:59, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Tech News: 2023-04

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • Last week, for ~15 minutes, all wikis were unreachable for logged-in users and non-cached pages. This was caused by a timing issue. [30]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 January. It will be on all wikis from 26 January (calendar).
  • If you have the Beta Feature for DiscussionTools enabled, the appearance of talk pages will add more information about discussion activity. [31][32]
  • The 2023 edition of the Community Wishlist Survey (CWS), which invites contributors to make technical proposals and vote for tools and improvements, starts on Monday 23 January 2023 at 18:00 UTC.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

MediaWiki message delivery 23:44, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Music Festivals

Do you think we need to include music festivals on Korean related articles for artist? Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 03:35, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

@Btspurplegalaxy I think this depends from artist to artist, I do see List of Blackpink live performances having music festival's table, a few other "List of ... live performances" articles from other artists also has similar tables (but not well-sourced or mostly unsourced), hence I think it's okay to include in the artist's "List of ... live performances" articles, of course, provided that they are and/or can be reliably sourced, if it's just passing mentions then I don't see why it should even be included because we are WP:NOTDATABASE. — 🍊 Paper9oll 🍊 (🔔 • 📝) 04:27, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
That sounds good to me. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 04:38, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

HITC as reference

Why are you calling HITC which I cited on Stamp on It (song) an unreliable source? HITC is a 23-year-old UK trusted, professional news site for sports and entertainment, not a blog or gossip site. Their editorial policy includes:

  • HITC is committed to upholding high ethical standards.
  • HITC follows the five core principles of ethical journalism, as outlined by the Ethical Journalism Network.: 1. TRUTH & ACCURACY 2. INDEPENDENCE 3. FAIRNESS & IMPARTIALITY 4. HUMANITY 5. ACCOUNTABILITY
  • Furthermore, HITC endeavours to follow the guidance given by The Society of Professional Journalists in their Code of Ethics.

Damon Mah (talk) 10:43, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

@Damon Mah They previously used to look (in terms of their website design) as if it's some sort of junky blog and their content is also bloggy-like hence I always avoided it previously and go with better source from Naver News or more-renowed entertainment/music-oriented website/magazine (Billboard, Rolling Stone, etc) instead, regardless I will still continue to avoid them ... furthermore what's with that promotional and COI sounding explanation above lol. — 🍊 Paper9oll 🍊 (🔔 • 📝) 12:00, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for your explanation/viewpoint, we agree better sources where possible, although HITC professional reporting I reviewed is pretty legit to me with over a million subscribers, despite its visual format. Great seeing your lol sense of humour! Damon Mah (talk) 12:32, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Tech News: 2023-05

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • Last week, for ~15 minutes, some users were unable to log in or edit pages. This was caused by a problem with session storage. [33]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 31 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 February. It will be on all wikis from 2 February (calendar).

Future changes

  • Wikis that use localized numbering schemes for references need to add new CSS. This will help to show citation numbers the same way in all reading and editing modes. If your wiki would prefer to do it yourselves, please see the details and example CSS to copy from, and also add your wiki to the list. Otherwise, the developers will directly help out starting the week of February 5.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

MediaWiki message delivery 00:04, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Television show

Hi, I just seen your message about my edit on Lee Elijah and asked for the reliable sources. So I have a question that can I linked it to a reliable Korean website that have the video of the show? It’s not easy for me, not a Korean, to retrieve the old news because there’re not many articles about Elijah joined a TV show. Many thanks for your answer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrubbyLobby (talk • contribs) 19:38, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@GrubbyLobby As mentioned through the edit summary of the reversion, we don't include guesting and/or one-time appearances for non-contestant roles for television shows per consensus at WT:KO hence even you wasted your time to find the reliable sources, it's pointless because you're going against the consensus hence you would get reverted regardless. — 🍊 Paper9oll 🍊 (🔔 • 📝) 00:15, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

B.I's profile picture

@Paper9oll: I made this edit on my phone and did not realize how ridiculously big 1.5 on desktop was. Thanks for taking care of that! Bostonite01310 talk 15:03, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

@Bostonite01310 No probs. And also, moving forward, such thanking message(s) which doesn't require other editors involvement shouldn't be posted on the article's talkpage but instead on that user's talkpage instead, this doesn't applies just for me but for any other editors. Alternatively, the WP:THANK button works as well. — 🍊 Paper9oll 🍊 (🔔 • 📝) 15:12, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2023).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • The Vector 2022 skin has become the default for desktop users of the English Wikipedia.

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

  • Voting in the 2023 Steward elections will begin on 05 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC) and end on 26 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
  • Voting in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey will begin on 10 February 2023 and end on 24 February 2023. You can submit, discuss and revise proposals until 6 February 2023.
  • Tech tip: Syntax highlighting is available in both the 2011 and 2017 Wikitext editors. It can help make editing paragraphs with many references or complicated templates easier.
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:38, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

NCT DREAM: The Dream Show 2 wikipedia page

Hello! We are NCTzens, can you make a wikipedia page about NCT DREAM: The Dream Show 2 Tour? They are currently doing a World Tour and it's so nice to see it with their own Wikipedia Page for their tour. Thank you so much from NCTzens~ ♡ 112.204.219.167 (talk) 13:57, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@112.204.219.167 Hi, currently a partial article exists for the world tour at Glitch Mode#The Dream Show 2: In A Dream but for whatever reason that I'm not sure of, the editor (Poirot09) added the world tour content as a section there instead of creating an actual article. You may need to contact Poirot09 at their personal talkpage to find out more on why it was added as a section instead and also Poirot09 is more well-verse on NCT-related topics as she has created/contributed mostly on NCT-related topics. Thanks! — 🍊 Paper9oll 🍊 (🔔 • 📝) 14:50, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

The Signpost: 4 February 2023

* Read this Signpost in full * Single-page * Unsubscribe * MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:45, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Tech News: 2023-06

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • In the Vector 2022 skin, logged-out users using the full-width toggle will be able to see the setting of their choice even after refreshing pages or opening new ones. This only applies to wikis where Vector 2022 is the default. [34]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 February. It will be on all wikis from 9 February (calendar).
  • Previously, we announced when some wikis would be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. These switches will not be announced any more, as the read-only time has become non-significant. Switches will continue to happen at 7AM UTC on Tuesdays and Thursdays. [35]
  • Across all the wikis, in the Vector 2022 skin, logged-in users will see the page-related links such as "What links here" in a new side menu. It will be displayed on the other side of the screen. This change had previously been made on Czech, English, and Vietnamese Wikipedias. [36]
  • Community Wishlist Survey 2023 will stop receiving new proposals on Monday, 6 February 2023, at 18:00 UTC. Proposers should complete any edits by then, to give time for translations and review. Voting will begin on Friday, 10 February.

Future changes

  • Gadgets and user scripts will be changing to load on desktop and mobile sites. Previously they would only load on the desktop site. It is recommended that wiki administrators audit the gadget definitions prior to this change, and add skins=… for any gadgets which should not load on mobile. More details are available.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

MediaWiki message delivery 10:19, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Paper9oll/Archive_10&oldid=1138138689"