User talk:Missmarple/Archive 1

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You've made enough edits, I see, that the above is probably all known to you — but better a late welcome than none at all. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:57, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm already active at the Slovene Wikipedia, so I already know all of those things, but a welcome is always appreciated :) --Missmarple 18:59, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Pianist categories

Hi! Sorting pianists by nationality is useful, but I'd rather the classical pianists were kept in a subcategory of Category:Classical pianists to sort them from e.g. jazz pianists. IMO it's fine to keep them in both (say, Vladimir Horowitz stays in Category:Classical pianists in addition to Category:Russian pianists). What do you think? — Pladask 00:06, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)For the record I heard a very good Welsh pianist (he must be Welsh with a name like Andrew Matthews-Owen) partnering a baritone in a recital in Aberystwyth Festival a while back; very lovely rich sound coming from him and sensitive to the singer. This is without mentioning other fine and distinguished Welsh pianists of the international standing of Martin Jones-special player.

Hi Miss Marple, I have added an English classical pianist - Andrew Wilde. Without wishing to open up the whole question of national divisions for classical pianists, I don't see the point of separate categories for English and British - I don't see why the Scottish and Welsh pianists can't be grouped as British along with the English ones. Having said that, I am neither Scottish nor Welsh so I need to declare a bias. --Alan 23:30, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Violet Carson

She made a career out of playing piano in Britain in the 1930s and 1940s, before she became an actress. Classical may not be the right classification, so I'll just move her to pianists. Mike H 18:05, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

Scarlatti

Hi Missmarple! Thanks for the note! You're right: I notice now that the sonata list (by composer) begins with Mozart: the early classical era is empty, and there is nothing at all from the Baroque. I'll try to compile something soon. It looks like there is a single short paragraph about Domenico Scarlatti, but overall that article is still underdeveloped. Happy editing! Antandrus 04:09, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Benjamin Britten

When you add a pipe to a category it changes only the sort key used to sort the article in the category listing (which I'm sure you understand already) but there's no reason to not use a person's full name (would you make an articles with just the last persons' name?). There might only be one Britten now but there might not be in the future. Cburnett 17:16, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Grant Johannesen

I had been meaning to write this article for some time (I grew up in Salt Lake), but his recent death finally pushed me to do it. I'm glad you are working on pianists. I have written a lot of music-related articles, but I don't always bother to log in. As for categories, the whole category thing is a mess, and I don't even try to fix it anymore.KsnowKsnow

COTW Project

You voted for Decolonization, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. Tony Jin | (talk) 02:21, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

Classical pianists

Thank you for the notice on classical pianists! ^_^ I'll certainly look into it. I looked through your contributions. Your dedication to improving pianist- and music- related articles is very much appreciated! Keep up the excellent work! Sango123 15:55, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Zoran G. Jancic

Yes, I have a permision to publish text about Zoran G. jancic to Wikipedia. I developed Mr. Jancic web site and he gave me permision to publish same biography text on Wikipedia pages. This is my first submiton to Wikipedia and I don't know should it be noted somewhere that the same text apears on web site and here? What should I do to remove 'possible copyright violation' note? --Dxvxd 00:38, 18 May 2005 (CET)

Brazilian Carnival

Hello. I was thinking. Is it really worth it increasing an image's size by 8 pixels in width? Me, I usually aim for keeping an image on its normal size, unless it's too big (so I make a thumb out of it). I never increase their size. It usually just distorts the quality. It didn't really happen this time (not that I can see), but to me, 8 pixels are not really worth it. What do you think?--Kaonashi 21:18, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Christ, I just noticed someone had decreased the size a lot. That's not the way I remember it being. Sorry about that. Guess it's been a while since I checked it.--Kaonashi 21:21, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Eugen d'Albert

Hi Missmarple! I took a quick look at the article and it looks very good; I'll have a closer look this evening after I get home from work. Truly, I'm impressed by anyone who tackles an article from a language they do not understand! (There seem to be some excellent music editors working on the Polish Wiki, I have noticed!) Take care, Antandrus (talk) 21:05, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

English

Hello Miss Marple! Your English is certainly impressive for a fifteen-year-old Slovene! If it is to be truly 'advanced' you will need to adjust some things on your user page. Don't ask 'should be X here?', ask 'should X be here?'. Don't say 'Mr. X, Mrs. Y and the likes', say 'Mr. X, Mrs. Y and the like' (or better, say '..and similar people' as this makes them sound more human!) :-) Brequinda 10:53, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Grammy Awards

Hi! You've been doing some great work on the Grammy listings. However, I found your layout of them to be a tad bloated, so I took the liberty to do some adjustments to it on the Vladimir Horowitz article. I think this is better. What is your opinion? — Pladask 08:10, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Sure! I think somebody just copy-pasted the awards from their article... thanks for reminding me, I'll work on them for sure :) --Missmarple 21:21, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Maxim Shostakovich

Maxim Shostakovich is an excellent pianist, though not in the same class as his father, and has made a number of recordings. He is also active as a conductor. Among his recordings is one made when he was 16, a performance with his father of a Concertino for two-piano written for Maxim's birthday. I hope this helps!  :-)Mhare40

Thank you for providing me this info, I appreciate it :) I hope you will continue to help out with the pianists' articles, they really deserve more attention than what they get :) --Missmarple 21:07, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Beethoven Symphonies

Hello! I have left a comment on Category talk:Beethoven symphonies. I made the template to assist people finding their way around the Beethoven piano sonatas (and I did the string quartets too) simply because I think most musicians refer to these pieces by opus number - the "Moonlight" is "Piano Sonata Op. 27 No. 2" rather than "Piano Sonata No. 14" - this isn't the case for the symphonies. I still think the categories are useful.

By the way, your English is very good - until just now I didn't realise you weren't a native speaker! Best wishes. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:25, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Adminship

Thank you very much for your support for my RfA! Schissel : bowl listen 12:15, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

Jig/Gigue

Hello! You may be right in that "Jig" is just an English spelling of "Gigue". For now, I would be happy for that link to be Jig (Jig pointing to Gigue). Then over the next few weeks I'll try and remember to have another look at the score (which I don't own but which I have access to) to see whether it qualifies as a Gigue, or whether it really is a Jig! --RobertG ♬ talk 28 June 2005 15:16 (UTC)

Frigoris 13:20, 14 April 2006 (UTC) The origin of the word "jig/gigue" is quite a story. In English, "gigue" is a noun "borrowed" directly from French as a musical term that refers to a kind of classical dance movement in fugal style. But according to Merriam-Webster's 11th Colligiate Dictionary, this french word "gigue" in fact comes from its English counterpart "jig", a lively folk dance. However, the English "jig" is probably a decedent of the Middle French word "giguer", a verb meaning "to frolic".

Category:Women composers and other female categories

Hi. I was the one that recreated Category:Women composers (if I were to do it again, Iwould name it female composers, of course). Are you sure all categories introducing gender bias should be deleted? Isn't categorization always connected to bias? Note there are other female categories that have not been deleted, for instance Category:Women scientists. Also note that female lists are tolerated, for instance List of female composers - is such a list justifiable?

Wikiproject Classical_music/Nomenclature - C-sharp, C♯

While C-sharp major is given as an example, nothing listed in that section forbids the use of unicode, while the Manual of style explicitly allows it. (Am in a hurry at the moment - will pick up on thread later - but would be interested in your reasoning and in discussing this?) Schissel : bowl listen July 9, 2005 19:05 (UTC)

It's possible - that by hash-character # (shift-3 on this keyboard) was meant, in that Talk conversation. That is indeed forbidden by the rules Wikipedia:Manual of Style (music) presents but is not the same character as ♯. It's also possible that User:Mordant21 did indeed mean ♯, but I don't know. (The link to (titles) etc. is appreciated definitely also since I was wondering about Op. versus op. as well. That link does give flat or sharp specifically and nothing else as allowed examples in titles - but I take that to refer to titles of articles, not to references to pieces within works, for which the rules are not going to be the same - not every piece is going to be referred to as Symphony No. 1 (Brahms) on every appearance, which is a standard title for a work that can be so named, for instance...; I may be mistaken there, however.)

Certainly willing to stop the wholesale changes to unicode (or at least until some sort of decision is reached, but even so I should be spending my time more productively than going through List of compositions for cello and piano and replacing each flat by ♭ for instance. Not being sarcastic.) Thanks - Schissel : bowl listen 21:37, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

(I just went back to that page and saw I'd already done so to it, the day before I wrote that. Characteristic of my memory. Meant to choose a page for which this was not true.) Schissel : bowl listen 01:54, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Prokofiev's Other Passion

I am a new user and was noticing that you've contributed to the article regarding Prokofiev. I also notice that you have an interest in Taimanov. Well Prokofiev was an accomplished chess player too! I'm wondering if you can offer a little advice as to how to add a little content to this effect on the Prokofiev page. Thanks Jemptymethod 20:44, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Found a way to slip it in if you're at all interested; I just needed the confidence to go ahead and edit ;) Sergei_Prokofiev#Early_years Jemptymethod 06:48, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Satie page

Hi Miss,

I don't know what "major" problems with the Satie page you were still alluding to. This page is a "project composers" page for some time now, and several of the people of that project passed by, leading to several smaller rewrites, and a more extensive one not so long ago. Might I suggest that you use the Satie talk page too, to notify about what strikes you as especially unpleasant and/or not conforming to guidelines presently. Reading some prior discussion on that page might clarify some points too (although I have no idea whether you have new points). --Francis Schonken 14:26, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Still haven't got a clue what you mean by "I thought it was not written in a very encyclopedic style". This supposes you're at least able to tell me what aspect you experience as unencyclopedic. I know some part of the style (& other) guidelines of wikipedia, but don't see any specific point not in accordance with these. So I'm always willing to learn, but vague statements in the sense of "overall style", not explaining anything, don't help.

"draw attention of other editors so that they could improve it": well, I'd still would want to know why this article specifically - I suppose all articles can be "improved", and all of them get "editor attention" just by being in wikipedia. This one already gets added attention by the "WikiProject composers". So putting the template means there are out-of-the-ordinary big problems (...otherwise you misunderstood the meaning & use of that template). I'm not a native English speaker myself, so I worked on the article via the talk page most of the time, there's no problem you as a not-native speaker wouldn't be able to help! --Francis Schonken 08:33, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

PS, if you think I'm too serious about this, you could look at it from a funny angle here.

changing the link ballet to ballet (music)

Hello MissMarple, why are you changing ballet to ballet (music), and on such a massive scale? I am surely missing something obvious..? thanks - Introvert ^talk 00:09, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

If what I feel is correct, and that change was in error, I'd be happy to help clear it out. Just drop a note ... cheers! - Introvert ^talk 02:20, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Ballet - musical form vs. dance technique

Hello, Introvert! My edits weren't errors at all and I fail to see what you cannot understand about them. If Prokofiev, for instance, composed a ballet, he didn't compose a 'dance form and technique', but a 'musical composition intended for ballet performance'. That's why I fixed all the links related to ballet compositions to the 'ballet (music)' article. Sounds logical to me... --Missmarple 19:52, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I believe it is common terminology and solid tradition, to refer to a (European classical) ballet by the name of the composer. With full understanding that it is the music that the composers compose, and they may not be authors of libretto nor choreographers nor stage designers. It is also correct and common to name a ballet after its famous choreographer, like Balanchin's ballet, but that would be referring to a particular choreography.

Of course in full ballet description all cornerstones would be attributed to: the music, the libretto, the choreography, and stage design and decor. But for short, I believe that classical ballets are and will remain Composer's ballets, and in no way this traditional naming diminishes the value and importance of either author - or that of the dancers, for that matter.

As for now, I corrected your edits in three articles about ballets themselves (Pulcinella (ballet), Romeo and Juliet (Prokofiev), Spartacus (ballet)), and changed the wording in Tchaikovsky. You know your list of changes and please if there were other articles about ballets where you changed the pointer to ballet as musical form, make appropriate corrections. If you desire to insist on your point, you could reword the intro in each of the Ballet articles and say, for example, Pulchinella is a ballet with music by Stravinsky (although I still don't think this is unnecessary in the intro, it could be expanded within the article, instead).

It's hard for me to agree with your changes to the articles about composers (with regard to ballet) either, and I intend to revisit this subject later. I am hoping someone knowledgeable will soon contribute to the ballet (music) article after it being a stub for 2 years. Don't hesitate to write me a note if you think there is more to discuss. - Introvert ^talk 08:49, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Regards - Introvert ^talk 08:49, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Karl Kraus

Hi! I noticed that the Karl Kraus english page is really poor, while the german one it way better. I think this huge author deserves more, can you translate some of it? I'm starting to work to the italian version, but I can't speak German. --BMF81 22:41, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Scriabin

Just wanted to thank you for your edits to my Scriabin Prelude pages. Hopefully, the entire 24 preludes will have documentation. Keep up the good work on the classical music!

Thanks :) If you do any more work on classical piano pieces, drop a note and I'll check if I can improve anything :) --Missmarple 16:34, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Will do :) Devahn58 02:18, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Please avoid cut and paste moves

Missmarple - please avoid cut-and-paste moves like the one I just fixed on Piano Sonata No. 32 (Beethoven) -- preserving edit history is important. →Raul654 22:05, 20 October 2005 (UTC)