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excellent work

hey, glad to have you helping out. I'm not a great wikipedian anymore. I kind of stopped editing about two years ago, but I feel happy to jump back in now and again. Your work on Bi-State is pretty great. Did you happen to know that they also operate the tram inside the arch? You should add nextstopSTL to whatever RSS feed readery you use if you're interested in that sort of thing.

DaronDierkes (talk) 08:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I always meant to return to the neighborhood pages. Millbrooky has done a pretty good job updating them, but there's so much that could be done with those. I got sidetracked by the various school district pages,and fell out all together. I'll try to at least keep up with my profile and watchlist. I put a lot of effort into getting the wikiproject onto every St. Louis page, rating them, and so forth, getting as many up to B class as possible, and then moving on. It looks like there are a lot of untagged pages that should be marked with our wikigroup banner. DaronDierkes (talk) 00:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Care to work on St. Louis Gateway Mall with my for a day or two? There's much to say. I hope to work on NorthSide, St. Louis as well. There's even more to say about that. DaronDierkes (talk) 01:26, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

You said you were interested in streets and infrastructure. Market and Chestnut, yo. DaronDierkes (talk) 01:27, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

make me very happy... heh. DaronDierkes (talk) 02:34, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

do you have any pictures of the gateway mall that we could post? I don't. :o( I wrote to the director of the conservancy and the city to river group. I think I can come up with some from the master plan with permission. We'll see. It'd be nice to get the hallway rendering up there. DaronDierkes (talk) 03:47, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Uploading_images to upload pictures and use the special uploader. I keep a link on my page. If you go down to the images section of my page, you'll see my section title is a link. I can help with your pages, but I'll be slow and irregular. Weekday afternoons only. As you're collaborative, I'll investigate your work the next free period I have... in three days. :o) DaronDierkes (talk) 09:15, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Loop Streetcar

ok, I'd like to help expand your pages. Check out this video [1]. Should we have a 'St. Louis Streetcars' page? There's a lot to be added. I read a story a little while back about some buried streetcar tracks found in the central west end on maryland. Maybe we could put together a historical map. Did St. Louis ever have grip cars? Still working on the Gateway Mall, but I'm going to look over your pages today. DaronDierkes (talk) 00:53, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Right, Bi-State needs help too, but every edit affects a dozen other articles. The whole family of articles has to be worked on together. It looks like the two templates recommended for deletion below are indeed redundant. Shall I defend them or second the motion to delete?DaronDierkes (talk) 03:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Dude, obviously it was my. Check the history. Stop marking up my page with new sections! Write like I do. DaronDierkes (talk) 04:31, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

No problem. It looks like there's quite a lot that can be done for the transit pages. I'm going to run off to lunch, but when I get back, I hope to jump into making pages for the streets. I got Chestnut and Market up. There's much more to do. You've done excellent work on the template. Much more to come I guess. When we get streets up, we can work on bus routes. I hear there's a fancy new downtown circulator. Right, off to eat. DaronDierkes (talk) 04:41, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Lunch was great. I'm afraid I didn't get to the streets afterall. I ended up launching into a history of the gateway mall, which I just removed to my sandbox... its too big and the words were semi-borrowed anyway. typing typing typing DaronDierkes (talk) 02:49, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Outstanding. I guess it isn't over 100 years old... but you should probably be able to put it under fair use if nothing else. DaronDierkes (talk) 22:41, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Wait, nothing needed. It's already in the commons. Streets today? DaronDierkes (talk) 23:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

No there, User:Millbrooky and User:Grey Wanderer. They've done great work. I just put up 18th street. DaronDierkes (talk) 23:40, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Check out Market Street (St. Louis). Like the map? I did a screenshot at [www.openstreetmap.org Open Street Map] and outlined it in red with MS paint. As far as I know, those maps are open source and free to use. If we do this for all the streets in the city, it'll be an excellent foundation for growth. What do you think? Did you say you had an infobox template for streets? DaronDierkes (talk) 00:19, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Would you put streets under transportation or geography? I just put market and chestnut under geography, but noticed st. charles rock road is under transportation. Roads are more places than transportation, aren't they? DaronDierkes (talk) 00:27, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

One project at a time. Right now: streets, transit, and downtown landmarks. After that, neighborhoods, parks, and museums. Utilities are harder. MSD and Ameren deserve some heavy research. Laclede Gas has an amazing history that would take a lot to get into. I'll work on the streets and downtown. You can handle Metro, and we'll meet up on bus routes maybe? I mean, you're free to tackle whatever you want, but I'm doing downtown streets and developments for now. DaronDierkes (talk) 00:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey man, I just did an overhaul on the Gateway Mall page. It is most certainly improving. I got maps! I hope to break each of the sections of the mall out into its own separate article eventually. For now, expanding them and making the red links blue will suffice. I made Metropolitan Zoological Park and Museum District yesterday and noticed the Missouri Botanical Garden page could use some help. The butterfly house and earthways center are pretty skimpy looking. I also noticed your parks template. Jeez... that's a lot of red links to fill in. I feel like we can do this. Day by day. Minor setback with a mall rendering being deleted for bad fair-use rationale, but I wrote to Mayor Slay and the mall conservancy director already to get a free version. Maybe I can put it back later. If you're eager for an editing project, the numbered streets could certainly use some descriptive prose. DaronDierkes (talk) 06:08, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll have more pictures soon. Why don't we make all the park pages and then redirect them to the neighborhood pages that contain them? DaronDierkes (talk) 01:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

They would have their own pages, those pages would just redirect to the neighborhood pages at first until the subsections there develop enough for them to launch into stand along articles. the neighborhood pages would be like incubators for the park pages. 115.94.73.122 (talk) 02:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey, why don't both talk on the same page if we really have so much to communicate to each other: DaronDierkes/MetroFan2009 DaronDierkes (talk) 04:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

You've got a new userbox, friend. Click and follow the link. DaronDierkes (talk) 05:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Bi-State Area Transit

Template:Bi-State Area Transit has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 03:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Bridges and tunnels in Greater St. Louis

Template:Bridges and tunnels in Greater St. Louis has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Plastikspork 03:36, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Template:Bi-State Development Agency

What about {{Bi-State Development Agency}}? It also appears to be redundant? Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:04, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

The project link that the article is based on is dead. MWOAP (talk) 01:46, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the barnstars, it is nice to be appreciated. You've done some very good work as well, if there is every anything I can help you with, don't hesitate to ask. Grey Wanderer (talk) 20:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll second what Grey Wanderer said. Thank you for the barnstars. DaronDierkes (talk) 04:13, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Same here. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 03:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks from me too! Cheers, Rai•me 06:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Tanks From me too especial the userpage one, being a computer tech there is so much competition on the 'pedia that by the time i think of something it's already done, so i end up spending most of my time on my page anyway, thank you and happy holidays

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18:07, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of MetroBus (BSDA)

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A tag has been placed on MetroBus (BSDA) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

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(Jordan S. Wilson (talk) 01:41, 5 January 2010 (UTC)) Hang on. I need to fill out the gaps.

As you've greatly improved the article, I retracted my speedy deletion request. Good work on it! Laurinavicius (talk) 23:24, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

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STL

I'd be glad to work with parks, museums, buildings, etc. I'm doing a bit with places listed on the NRHP right now. If you have any suggestions, leave them on my talk page, and I'd be glad to help.  fetchcomms☛ 00:44, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean by parks template? I have, so far, only created one park article, and expanded one other.  fetchcomms☛ 15:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Your WikiProject proposal

Just wanted to notify you that your WikiProject proposal page needs some work before people will come support it. When you created that page, you were supposed to take out the text "ProjectDescription" and put in your own words describing the purpose of the project and what it's about. I've taken the liberty to make some other changes (which you were also supposed to have done), so you just focus on writing that description.

Oh – same goes for your other proposal.
-Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 10:13, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, fellow wikipedian!! I guess I should have been on top of those proposals. Hopefully I'll get to edit with you in the future. I am currently using my PSP to type out my edits for now. Do you want to be part of the proposals? Please respond and Happy Editings!!! Jordan S. Wilson (talk) 14:31, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, if you'll notice at the top of my talk page, I prefer people to reply to me in the same place as the original message, so that the discussion stays in the same place. It makes it easier to read and follow. However, if you want to leave a {{talkback}} on my page saying that you have replied, that is fine.
Now, about your proposals: I'm not really interested in trains like you are, so I think I'll have to pass. Good luck though!
-Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 17:59, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: WikiProjects U. S. Railroads and U. S. Mass Transit

It is possible to create US-centric wikiprojects on rail transport and rapid transit. When it's been brought up in the past (and the last mention that I remember was a couple years ago), the consensus was that the US-based editors that were participating were interested in enough other systems around the world that they didn't need the subcategorization, and that the standardization and collaboration from the worldwide wikiproject was helpful enough for the US-based content. I don't have a strong opinion on this right now, but I tried to set up the project banner and categorization to allow for easy additions of regional subprojects in the future. Although many of the editors who are active in the worldwide project were around the last time this was discussed, starting a new topic about it on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains may prove helpful. Slambo (Speak) 13:46, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Template problems

Non template content in the templates you have created require "noinclude" tags, otherwise every article where you insert that template is categorized the same as the template. I have cleaned up Template:St. Louis MetroLink and Template:Bi-State Public Transit Agencies, the rest I leave to you, since I don't know how many you have created. I have removed some redundant categories that are parents of subcategories. For example MetroLink is a subcategory of Bi-State Development Agency. Generally, categories across BSDA articles are very confused and inconsistent. Secondarywaltz (talk) 01:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

The "state" parameter does not refer to the United States of America, but refers to the collapsed condition of the template. Read the Template:Navbox instructions for further information. Secondarywaltz (talk) 15:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Missouri

There hasn't been much activity at WikiProject Missouri or any of its child projects lately, and I saw your name on the list of active participants. If you are willing to jump in again, please consider helping to revive the project:

• Put {{WikiProject Missouri}} on the talk pages of articles involving Missouri. This helps to categorize articles
• Write, cleanup, or expand an article about Missouri
• Source a Biography of a living person living in, born in, or otherwise affiliated with Missouri
• Help spread the word about the project
• Update the project page or the portal
• Watchlist or check the project talk page for updates
• Join one of the child projects:
  • Columbia
  • Kansas City
  • Kansas City Chiefs
  • St. Louis
  • Missouri State Highways
  • Mizzou
  • Silver Dollar City
  • Washington University in St. Louis
  • St. Louis Cardinals
  • St. Louis Rams

If you know anyone who might be interested in Missouri (its history, culture, sports, people, places, architecture, etc.), please pass this message along to them! If you are still interested in the project but aren't currently active, please add yourself to the list of inactive participants at the bottom of this list. Thanks!

On behalf of the project,  fetchcomms☛ 00:10, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for replying! If you anyone who might be interested in the project, do invite them to join in. Keep up the good work!  fetchcomms☛ 19:43, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey, good job!:) Thanks for keeping up with the project (someone else even thought it was inactive and tagged it, though the tag was later removed :P)  fetchcomms☛ 15:46, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

In my opinion, we may have to turn some of the child projects into task forces or something, because I doubt there are enough people consistently involved with them or might just be too small for a whole project. However, the larger ones, like St. Louis or Kansas City could always use more coverage, like your work on local transportation. I personally am working to get List of tallest buildings in St. Louis as a FL, so I hope that, if enough people from the Missouri project are willing to join in with task forces to a certain area or revive activity/publicize the smaller child projects, that they can be saved. Thanks again for your work!  fetchcomms☛ 21:30, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, I saw some of the articles you have started, and it seems like, if there were some additional sources, they would be perfect for a DYK, which would bring some publicity because they are featured on the main page. I've done a few of those involving some St. Louis attractions (like Laumeier Sculpture Park), and that might help bring more word!  fetchcomms☛ 21:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

←Of course! Feel free to be bold (but not reckless!) in anything that might be of interest to the project. Don't worry about the DYK too much, sometimes they take a bit to write and find sources. Anyhow, thanks for helping increase Wikipedia's coverage of anything Missouri- or St. Louis- related!  fetchcomms☛ 22:00, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Barnstars

My many thanks for the Excellent User Page Award and the Special Barnstar you left on my userpage.

They are very much appreciated.

In response to the Excellent User Page Award, I am actually looking at formatting it a bit better (making it shorter but wider rather then having a long list down the side) I just haven't had a lot of time recently.

KiraChinmoku _{(T, ¤)} 22:16, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the Excellent User Page Award as well. Good to know it's organized, informative, fun and easy to view! --Bhockey10 (talk) 20:57, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: New Stub

Absolutely, go right ahead! Feel free to put anything related to the project there whenever you need.  fetchcomms☛ 02:07, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Carr Street (St. Louis)

I have nominated Carr Street (St. Louis), an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carr Street (St. Louis). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Shadowjams (talk) 23:06, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Street articles

I realize you've created a large number of these street articles for various St. Louis streets. While I appreciate the effort, and the quality of some of these, I'm not convinced that all (or most) of them meet the notability criteria.

For a long time, there was criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (Transportation), which has been replaced by a new proposal at Wikipedia:Notability (streets, roads, and highways). In both cases though, the general notability criteria apply, which means it needs reliable sources that indicate its notability rather than just its existence. Most of the stubs you've created simply don't do this.

Please don't take my nominations for deletion personal. I appreciate the work. But there are advantages to having wikipedia focus on encyclopedia content, and not double as a road atlas. Shadowjams (talk) 23:19, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

I've grouped them together here. Your comments are welcome. Shadowjams (talk) 23:39, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

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Station names

Where did you find the station names for all of the proposed MetroLink corridors? --Millbrooky (talk) 17:32, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

MetroFan, the enthusiasm you show trying to improve all the public transit articles for St. Louis is fantastic. I do have, however, severe reservations regarding the notability and verifiability of much of the content you have included. For example, the St. Charles Corridor has only ever existed as an idea. The county twice voted against sales tax in 1996 that would have funded a transportation authority that in turn would have seriously explored the idea of extending MetroLink. No agency has yet to study a St. Charles MetroLink alignment other than to say they -may- consider it. No map of a potential MetroLink alignment, to my knowledge, has ever existed and is why I believe the route map template you've included on the St. Charles Corridor and other pages must go. Please post future replies here. WP:V --Millbrooky (talk) 14:07, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:MadisonCo

Template:MadisonCo has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Millbrooky (talk) 19:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I moved it to here User:MetroFan2009/MadisonCo. Feel free to move it back once the issues have been resolved. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 23:28, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Chain of Rocks bridge

Hi Metrofan. I happened across you by accident, seeing that you had corrected the Category of an article I started, Grand Boulevard (St. Louis). Anyway, just wondering if anyone in your group would be interested in looking into the discrepancy issue described at Talk:New Chain of Rocks Bridge and at Chain of Rocks Bridge. Obviously this is a fairly minor question but I think we ought to have the correct info, if it is obtainable. If you're not interested in this question, no worries. Herostratus (talk) 13:17, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Userfy other MetroLink map templates

In light of the recent decision to WP:USERFY the MadisonCo template you created, I would like to propose we userfy the following templates, as well: MetroNorth, MetroSouth, MetroWest, NorthWest, DanielBoone, and St.Charles. I believe this should be done to maintain accuracy on the various MetroLink articles. --Millbrooky (talk) 15:39, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

I finished moving the templates to your user space. You can find the templates here: MetroNorth, MetroSouth, MetroWest, NorthWest, DanielBoone, St.Charles. Hopefully, Metro will give us a reason to restore the templates sometime in the near future. --Millbrooky (talk) 19:01, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

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