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Thanks and just a heads up[edit]

Lemurbaby, thanks for starting the Good Article Review process on Presidential Council (Benin). Just letting you know that I'm currently traveling and so the quick 5 minutes I have right now to check wikipedia will be my only time for a couple days (maybe longer). So, please don't take inactivity as a sign of disinterest. When the review is done, please hit me up on my talk page and I promise to get to it as soon as possible. Thanks. AbstractIllusions (talk) 02:48, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the great critical review on the page -- truly helped improve the article. I've done one big edit and then some other smaller ones over the past 12 hours. Hope that I addressed your issues with the page. If you find some problems, please let me know (I wrote it offline in weird circumstances, but triple checked, so keeping my fingers crossed). Thanks again. AbstractIllusions (talk) 02:35, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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We need to discuss this. I do not think that comparing to other Wikipedias or much less copy and pasting all their text in is really applicable or relevant. You can't just say "this article is longer or covers more" when we have separate articles and different scopes. This is blatantly obvious in the Chinese Hentai article and some are just outright combinations of pages that already cover the material in-depth on their own pages on enwiki. You seem to be entering into a content dispute rather than merely reviewing on some of them by doing so. Also, you are asking things which are not in sources and are not even relevant or covered in some cases. There has never been a study into "Yuri"'s history by any academic and over 50 classifications of "hentai" exist, but the American vs Japanese usage is just as bad for yaoi and yuri - the real issue is the definition here. I'd actually like for a descriptive article on the origin and usage of the words rather than its actual content... I can't stomach some of what is in hentai and zero sources cover it. Unless you can really get sources for them; I doubt any article could ever be built because no self-respecting academic would touch the content much less analyze and write about it. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:39, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not asking you to copy and paste anything. I'm pointing to examples of high quality reviewed articles that cover these topics in greater depth and detail than what I'm seeing here. I'm having a hard time following what you're talking about here. Are you saying that you think the foreign language FA articles are just agglomerations of information that is currently found in the articles on related subtopics? If that's what you're saying, that may well be true, but that doesn't diminish the importance of the range and depth of discussion in the FA articles. I think the bigger question is "What is the depth of information that needs to be covered in X article?" Related articles can and should cover portions of the main article in greater detail - for example, an article on yaoi should cover yaoi in more detail than the article on hentai does, but the hentai article needs to provide a solid summary of what yaoi is. The articles you nominated are well developed to something around a B or C level. They're not GA yet for all the reasons I listed in the reviews, which address issues beyond content alone. As far as what's covered in sources, clearly the sources used in these articles are not primarily academic (if any academic articles were used at all, for that matter). That's not the standard I'm asking for, although where it exists, it would be good to include. It's not correct to assume that academics won't touch hentai. It's part of sexuality studies and articles like this, this and this are a sampling of the kind of academic material out there in English alone. I would bet the Japanese discourse on all things anime goes much farther, but I don't read Japanese so can't draw on those sources. I doubt strongly that there are NO sources that provide information on the topics I've asked you to develop in these articles, not the least because those sections on the foreign language versions of the articles are well sourced. I took (a lot) of time to give these articles a solid review, even in spite of the basic shortcomings (poor prose, grammar problems etc) that should have been fixed before they were nominated. I don't intend to be obstructionist here. I want these articles to be GA as much as you do. They just weren't at GA level when you nominated them, and I'm identifying what kinds of changes need to be made to get them there. If there are specific recommendations you don't agree with, let's address those points together. Lemurbaby (talk) 01:35, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I really take issue with your response here. First, because of the sourcing claims. McLelland's text is cited 15 times in "hentai" alone, I clearly knew of and used the work. Phoenix's work is not even of the criteria upon which can be used by academic and Wikipedia policies; I can't use it as an RS so I can't cite it. The last is also a book review... how is that going to help me, especially when it is not even about anime or manga topics. Now, the yuri matter is fairly conclusive, provide me one source English or Japanese that covers the history and development of the yuri genre and not merely the origin of the word. Scholarly work is limited here - I've gone through over 30 books and brief snippets and low grade work and forums comprise the bulk of the information. And many of the RSes have pretty big issues that even I can point out as being on a bad premise or outright wrong - I've done this to several publications so far. If its the definition and meaning of the terms; yes I could do it, but if you want what isn't covered in academia then I there is no way in which it could be passed. Let's put this bluntly; have you ever seen a source on vorephilia for anime and manga or on "guro" instead of eroguro? Hentai, in Japanese, is perverse and does not extend to "this, this and that" and in English its just any anime or manga that is pornographic or sexually explicit thanks to the 1990s marketing. I got only a handful of academic publications and a handful of essays; but I've exhausted all leads for it. Try if you want; but you'll not find any sources online or offline I think for these. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:54, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You stated academic sources won't touch these topics (not sure exactly which ones you mean), and I provided examples of how the topic can be covered in academic sources. Other existing articles on related topics (like the Yuri article) also incorporate some academic articles among their references. Since you've used one of the ones I cited, I think you'd have to agree it would be an overstatement to say academics don't write about hentai topics. Is there a policy you're aware of that would prevent you from citing the Phoenix piece? If websites can be cited, why not undergrad theses, which are certainly more academic? And regarding the utility of book reviews, sometimes they can be useful in summarizing the content of the book or synthesizing multiple views on the topic that the book covers. I've written academic book reviews and this is typically a feature of good ones. Regarding sources for history, there's no reason to expect that one source will provide all the information you need. It's typically a treasure hunt for articles like these. The main Yuri article has a pretty solid history section and it's supported with references. In the Hentai article, you'd just want to basically summarize some of the key points and use those same references, for example. Again, the resources do not need to be academic - that would be preferred, but we take the best that we can get. But from what you wrote above ("if you want what isn't covered in academia then I there is no way in which it could be passed") it sounds like you're the one who is insisting on academic sources... for everything? Or just for certain points within articles? I'm not really clear what information you believe will be difficult to source. We should work with the best that we can find, and improve it as better information comes along. Lemurbaby (talk) 02:20, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You are dodging the question, but I'll bite. Namely academic papers need to be peer reviewed and published in a journal or other body of work to be counted with the exceptions. The policy for Phoenix is WP:SCHOLARSHIP, "Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence." As this is not a PhD and is instead a BA level this cannot be used as an RS and secondly; I could publish my stuff if that was your level for inclusion - please respect and understand that I've searched and searched, but have exhausted the pool of sources. I have personally acquired and read almost every publication on anime and manga topics from major and minor scholars that are available in English and I've been learning Japanese to translate the texts of others - this has come in handy in the past. No where have I found an academic study into the development of Yuri - if you can find just one indepth study (100+ pages) then I'll tip my hat and do all I can to get it translated and included. I appreciate the work you put in; it just presents a problem I cannot rectify. Though I honestly do not understand the grammar and other issues; you mention them, but do not really point out problems - I can read and understand it without confusion, but what is specifically wrong with the text? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 03:43, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not dodging your question - I'm trying to answer what I understand your question to be, which frankly isn't clear. What exactly is your point? Are you saying nothing but academic sources of quality should be used in your articles? If that's your position, then most of the sources these articles use are invalid. And I still don't agree that the Phoenix article is not useful. Number one, it has a solid literature review with lots of its own sources that you can pull from. Number two, it meets the WP:Scholarship criteria for validity because it has been "vetted by one or more scholars", namely the four people on their thesis committee. Even if you decided yourself that this isn't enough and that the main conclusions they want to draw from their research are not valid, that doesn't mean that you can't use this paper to locate other research of use. So can we stop debating this little point now? What about the very long list of points in each of your reviews that you need to work on if you want these articles to pass? If you spent all this time just working on responding to the reviews, the articles would be improved, and would be closer to passing (or already passed) by now. Why don't you try to address the issues one by one. If there is a specific request you don't understand or don't agree with, we will deal with it on the review page and not my talk page. Normally reviews should close within 7 days of the reviewer completing the work. It would be good if you could refocus your energy there and I will do what I can to help clarify things along the way. I think we may be having some miscommunication here so please stop accusing me of anything (dodging the question etc) and give me the benefit of the doubt (these reviews were done in good faith from my side), and let's work together to improve the quality of these articles, which are so important, and which we both want to see at GA level. Lemurbaby (talk) 11:14, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Simply put, some of the changes you want are not possible on Hentai because the sources do not exist and the ones that do, do not cover specific aspects you want. Though I'll do my copy editing on Neon Genesis Evangelion. That ESL editor sorta messed it up, but I can fix some of it real quick. Let's go from there okay? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:15, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, I got some time off over the next two days. I hope you are active to help guide me along here - I did not expect you to take all the articles and I was overwhelmed during my limited time. I've been working on NGE, but I know there is much to do - I am just really confused and scattered. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 02:10, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi Chris, as long as you're actively working on them, take as long as you need. I know this is a lot to do simultaneously, and I'm moving to Pakistan over the weekend (working there the next two years) so I'll be busy as well. I may not have internet connection at home next week but I'll try to be responsive and check progress on my computer at the office during breaks. Definitely don't let this stress you out. Wikipedia isn't supposed to be a stressful place. :) - Lemurbaby (talk) 18:13, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay! I've done some more work on NGE. So could you take a peak at it? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:06, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hello? Are you still active? Could you update a list of issues for NGE or something? I don't know what is left to do on it and I'm keen on fixing up any last issues that are necessary for it. Then I think the next one would be great to do. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 03:46, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I see you copyediting it. Does it look like it is GA class yet? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 16:18, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, do you know what happened to Rahovy, one of the brothers of Radama I? His twin brother Ratafika was starved to death by Ranavalona I but sources don't mention Rahovy's fate. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:33, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kavebear, sorry for the long delay in responding. I'm hoping to get back into editing articles on here in another 3 months or so. Radama I would be my priority after Andrianampoinimerina. I'll try to make sure your question is answered there. - Lemurbaby (talk) 07:36, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oo, you're still here[edit]

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Good to see an edit from you today - I was worried you were gone forever! Hope all is well with you I.R.L. and look forward to seeing you back here whenever you return.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:02, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Good to hear from you, and touched you noticed me poking my head back in here. :) I really want to keep contributing to WP but my job has just been too intense here in Pakistan. But I'll be departing soon - May 20 - and on to a four year assignment in (wait for it)... Madagascar! :) Although that assignment will most likely also be intense, I'm hoping to make the best use of it to fill in some of the blanks on the Madagascar project. Let's see how it pans out after I get there in August. Let me know if you have anything needing a review - I owe people left and right for reviewing everything I nominated for GA way back in the day but to whom I was totally unable to be responsive at the time. - Lemurbaby (talk) 10:40, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh wow, that's exciting! I bet you're thrilled to be going back to Madagascar, I'm very jealous because I'd love nothing more than to go and live in Africa again. There's nothing I have for review right now, but Rwandan genocide and Rwandan Civil War are still on the slow path towards somewhere, so hopefully before too long - they get a little better every year anyway...  — Amakuru (talk) 13:08, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Always nice to see you around here making a few edits! Have you found a break in your busy schedule, wherever it is you're based now? Hope everything's going well.

I've been plugging away here and there, where time permits, trying to get the Rwandan stuff up to speed. In fact, I have recently got Rwandan Civil War to a state where I'm somewhat happy with it. It's up at WP:GAN at the moment, so if you feel like diving right back into a GA review, your expertise would be valuable. No probs if you don't have the time though.... Let me know if there's anything I can help you out with as well, reviews of articles or whatever. I'm an admin now as well, so can do the adminy things if there's any of that to be done. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 16:07, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for letting me know, Giants2008. The blurb looks great. I live here in Madagascar now (should stay until 2020) and hope to get back on writing articles more regularly again. Cheers, Lemurbaby (talk) 01:41, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Rova of Antananarivo[edit]

Hi Lemurbaby, I see you edited this article a month ago. Mike is thinking about re-running this at TFA, but I see that the lead talks about 2012 as being in the future ... do you have an update on the information in the lead? - Dank (push to talk) 02:04, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, Mike has 5 reruns already for October so this won't be appearing. But it was good to see you're still editing. - Dank (push to talk) 04:11, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Precious five years![edit]

Precious
Five years!

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