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Scouting barnstar[edit]

  • I, Rlevse, award this Scouting Barnstar to Jergen for his great contributions to Scouting related articles, especially in the area of non-English speaking countries.
    I, Rlevse, award this Scouting Barnstar to Jergen for his great contributions to Scouting related articles, especially in the area of non-English speaking countries.

Rlevse 23:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Common design for templates[edit]

Brother, you always have good ideas, what do you have in mind? --Chris 11:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ps-do you know how to grab graphics from a PDF file? I need the lower one from Welcome to Guiding in the Northwest Territories and Nunavut

That was an easy one Image:Wagggs-ggc-ntnu.png. You can grab images with Acrobat reader; normal setting is text but you can switch to images. --jergen 12:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, brother, I did not have appropriate software. Next idea, since there are articles for multiple Scout associations in Germany, Denmark... what about NORS and ORYuR for Russia? Chris 17:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that's one thing I'd really like to do - unfortunately I don't understand Russian so I can't contribute much content on these organizations. But there is some hope: We will have some Russian guests (RAS/N as far as I know) at our national jamboree starting August 3rd. At least one of them should speak German and we should also have some translators (also Scouts but from a different German association).
But this may take some time; back home from the jamboree I'll move away from K-Town to Worms. --jergen 18:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think of Scouting now? Is it GA?[edit]

Randy has done a lot to it, imho improving it enough for GA. A lot of more work needs to be done before it can be A-Class (or FA) yet, but several important steps are done. Would you please respond on Talk:Scouting? Wim van Dorst (Talk) 22:16, 10 July 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Happy holidays[edit]

Hope you're having fun, brother, we miss you! Chris 00:12, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please rename the Belgian scouts article[edit]

See also Talk:Guidisme et Scoutisme en Belgique

Please change the name of this article to The Guides and Scouts Movement of Belgium instead of giving it the French name. The national Movement in Belgium officially has 3!!! names and not just the French one. Maybe we should use the English name (since this is the English wikipedia) or rename it Scouting in Belgium. Jorgenpfhartogs 06:52, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose: The French version of the name is the most commonly used version (also by both WOSM and WAGGGS); if you search via Google (name -wikipedia) you get these results:
french: 13.100 [1]
flemish: 45 [2]
english: 2 [3]
Question: Which is the third official name? Is there a German version? I don't think that Guides and Scouts Movement of Belgium is an official version defined in the bylaws of the organization; IMO it's nothing but an translation for international visitors.
I don't think that anybody would search for these very uncommon versions of the name, but for all eventuallities they should redirect to Guidisme et Scoutisme en Belgique. --jergen 08:19, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I still very, very strongly disagree. First of all, you looked on the German google. The Belgian google gives a different picture.

French: 16.800 (but comes up with the Flemish name first (!))

[4]

Flemish: 857 (but ONLY gives you the Flemish pages)

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English: 23.800!!! (AND comes up with the English version first!!!!)

[6]

Other facts:

There are more Flemish people in Belgium than Francophones and German Speakers. (58%)
There are more scouts in the Flemish organisations than in the Walloon ones.
For the FOS: The girls in Scouts en Gidsen Vlaanderen were a part of the Nederlandse Gidsenbeweging or Nederlandse gidsen (from 1957 onwards )until 1973 when Scouting Nederland was established.
For the FOS: The boys in Scouts en Gidsen Vlaanderen were a part of the Katholieke Verkenners until 1973 when Scouting Nederland was established.
The first groups in Belgium were part of the Belgian Catholic Scouts.
The non-Catholic scouts were united in the Boyscouts de Belgique.
In 1912 the Belgian Catholic Scouts became the Baden-Powell Belgian Boy Scouts.
When going to [www.scouts.be www.scouts.be] you'll see they call themselves Guides and Scouts and Belgium and The Guides and Scouts Movement of Belgium!!!


The Germanic scouts are normally seen as a part of the Walloon organisations (the Oostkantons are their own Gewest, but, with a huge influx of Walloons, is normally seen as part of the Francophone Gewest. The normally call themselves Pfadfinder Belgien. There are only a few groups in Belgium that are fully German. A few of them are part of the Flemish movement, a few of them are part of the Francophone movement and a few of them are even part of the German movement.

A lot of ignorant people that don't know Belgium think it is a French-speaking country since most Flemish speak French and most Walloons DON't speak Flemish. Brussel is supposedly a bilingual city (in Flemish territory!), but has a huge influx of Walloons. The fact is that Dutch is spoken by the 6 million people in Flanders to the north, French by the 3.5 million Walloons in the south!!!

More so: most English speakers will look for Scouting in Belgium rather than Guidisme et Scoutisme en Belgique. You have to be able to speak French to come up with this name and since the majority of people on wikipedia search in English I really, really strongly think we should DEMAND an English name for the article!!!!

Jorgenpfhartogs 15:58, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jergen: as I am no expert on languages in Belguim, I support whatever you think on this one. The debate on which language to title an article in comes up often. Belguim is unique in that it has more than one language in use. Whichever isn't used should be a redirect to the other.Rlevse 16:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Normally I answer only once; pls see Talk:Guidisme et Scoutisme en Belgique --jergen 18:28, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts (WAGGGS)[edit]

Hi, I've seen that you requested a translation of the german wikipedia article Sangam which I created there. I also created articles for:

I can do the requested translation if you wish. But let us made a deal. The german World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts article needs your map of the world regions, the german World Organization of the Scout Movement article too. Please load it up to the Wikipedia Commons.

Please answer on my german User talk! -- User:Manuel Heinemann 09:30, 29 August 2006 (CET +1)

Hi Chris! I've complete the translation of the german wikipedia article Sangam. Please proofread it. -- Thanks! Manuel Heinemann 22:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Jergen, do you know how to upload to the Wikipedia Commons? Chris 19:23, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's quite the same like here - but you need a separate account on commons. Commons accepts only a limited number of licences, uploading as "fair use" is not possible. For more informations see Commons:Welcome. --jergen 06:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vandal[edit]

Good teamwork on Scouting's vandal. I was putting warnings on his page while you were reverting!Rlevse 13:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Canada Scout Badges[edit]

I was wondering if any of you could check my edit on the page Scouts Canada Scout Badges and see if it's worth anything?

Thanks, Taykid41 16:35, 2 Sept. 2006 (UTC)

Looks good - but I can't check it's full context since my association is one of the very few who don't issue any badges. I have no experience with badge oiented Scouting. --jergen 21:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Scouting[edit]

Check out the 21:39 02 Sep edits by Nixinator. I think they may be too US centric and would like your opinion. Edit as you feel appropiate, of course. Rlevse 22:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Was already reverted when I came upon it. --jergen 08:43, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yea, I saw that this am too. That means we agreed-;) Rlevse 11:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

request for help against deletionist[edit]

this guy really wants to delete my recent additions for illustration-Image:LaszlonagyU.jpg‎, Image:Laszlonagycarlgusta.jpg‎; and Image:BoyScoutsofNippon.jpg, please help me save them from him. I hate having to do this all the time. Chris 22:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moves[edit]

Hi Jergen, while your reason given for the move at Magyar Cserkészszövetség is arguably a good one – though the applicable policy says "with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity" –, I see no reason why Association of Hungarian Girl Guides should be at the Hungarian name. (The fact that web references use the Hungarian name is no argument: every organization's native name will be used more often than a translation.) Please set up a requested move if you think I'm wrong, but don't revert the move against the established convention. Thanks & happy editing, KissL 09:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Scouting tireless contributor[edit]

The Scouting Tirless Contributor

- For over one year of countless high quality contributions to Scouting articles, especially in the international area. Rlevse 02:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image talk:--MongoliaScoutsuniform.jpg[edit]

Hi Jergen, would you weigh in on this discussion? Chris 22:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Translations[edit]

Jergen - I changed the title of your posting on the discussion because I think it more accurately reflects the discussion. In any case, I'm sorry if my move of the Italian page has caused you consternation.

I think that the issue is pretty straightforward and that we can resolve it amicably on the talk page. --evrik 09:34, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

--evrik 10:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I think, you did link the page on nearly all Talk pages, didn't you? --jergen 10:43, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I only linked the ones where you had made a comment. I was working off this list {{EuropeanScout}}, and you haven't commented on most of them. --evrik 10:51, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Václav Havel[edit]

Some anon added him to List of notable Scouts. How can this be when he'd have been of Scout age during the Nazi/Communist era? Or did the Czechs have something we consider Scouting during that time? Rlevse 17:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Scouting was allowed (and very active) during the Prague Spring, so Havel may have been Scout during these years (but he was in his thirties at this time). A second possibility: Some European Scout organizations name the acting head of state as honorary president.
Since I couldn't find any mention of Havel as a member of the movement, I'll remove him unless a source is given. The only hint of a possible membership I could get was a speech to the European Scout Conference, adressing the "sisters and brothers Scouts". --jergen 09:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I'm that anonymous. WW2 was until 1945, after WW2 was scouting legal. Communist era started in 1948. After 1948 cummunists started to destroy scouting and replace it by Pionyr and SSM. So as a kid Vaclav Havel could be (and he was) in boy scout troop. He was in a part of boy scouts called "water scouts". I remember I saw it in some boyscout magazine after 1989 (it must be Junak because there weren't any other boyscout magazines) but you could find it in google. I also remember that when he was a presidnet he was some sort of "bodyguard" of czech scouts and I was on some "parade" in Prague where many scouts walked to Prague castle to see him.

Some links:

http://strediskohrozen.blog.cz/0609/seznam-slavnych-ceskych-skautu-a-skautek http://www.cin-centrum.cz/dejiny1_50.htm http://www.skauting.cz/prachen/jak_nas_vidi/slavni/slavni.html

Again me, the best is to search for václav havel chrobák, because chrobak was his nickname. Half of the links on the first page of google seems relevant.

Evrik is moving anyway[edit]

Please see: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting/Translations#Algeria. Evrik is moving articles regardless of our discussions. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 09:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not so. I would appreciate both of you being civil and stop accusing me of vandalsim, etc. --evrik (talk) 17:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Project mediator offer[edit]

Bduke has offered to be the Scouting WikiProject mediator and accept this as his first case on these conditions: 1. All parties must agree to his mediating. 2. All parties must not move any articles until the mediation is completed. 3. If consensus is not reached they must let User:Rlevse as the project coordinator decide whether to implement my final conclusions.

(3) means that Bduke will make a final recommendation if there is no consensus and User:Rlevse can accept it or reject it. Either way, the decision is final and all parties are bound by Scout's honor to follow it.

I am posting this on everyone's (Evrik, Jergen, Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr)) talk page so they will not miss the offer. Failure to respond with a 'accept' or 'not accept' on the Translations talk page will be taken as an 'accept'. This offer will last until 2400 UTC Dec 2, 2006. Keep in mind that we live all over the world and users need time to respond---specifically, Bduke lives in Australia. DO NOT make any moves until at least 24 hours have passed since his last posting on an issue. Rlevse 01:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trefoil[edit]

Take all the time you need, brother, and thank you for the headsup. I have put info I can find into talk pages to be folded into articles. Chris 20:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Guiding categories[edit]

I replied to your comment on my talk page before I looked at my watchlist and saw you had removed the Guiding cat from a lot of articles as a parent. Maybe you are right. I prefer to see what others think. So for now WAGGGS members go in that category which has the Guiding cat as a parent and everything else Guiding go in the Guiding cat. Is that your thinking? --Bduke 02:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Guiding hasn't been edited since July, Category:Scouting not since Sep and Category:WAGGGS member organizations not since early Oct. This appears not to be a recent change. Rlevse 03:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've looked at this to see what your guys are talking about. What's odd is that WAGGGS is both on the same level as Guiding (both as a sub of Scouting, as is WOSM) and also a sub of Guiding. If we make WAGGGS only a sub of Guiding, some GG/GS may say why isn't WAGGGS at the same level as WOSM? I have a suggestion that I think will meet both your concerns and also follow wiki policy on categories: Put WAGGGS, WOSM, and the non-aligned cat all under "Scouting related associations" and put WAGGGS under Guiding also. Thoughts? I've put this on both your talk pages. Rlevse 12:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was on the same way of thought: Starting a Category:Scouting organizations with subcategories on WOSM, WAGGGS, non-aligned and insular organizations.
But our categories' system needs some more work: There are too many project categories on top level. --jergen 12:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We already have "Scouting related associations", I suggest using that one as it means about the same thing as "Scouting organizations". I'm neutral right now on moving the project cats out. Rlevse 12:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agree now on project articles. I'll move them to the already-existing Wikiproject Scouting cat. Rlevse 13:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Scouting related associations" covers something I'd call "secondary organizations" who support the movement but are not necessarily a part of it. That's not quite the thing I had in mind for the "real" associations.
I propose the following future structure for the organizations/associations' categories:
Further on we should find a way to bundle all/most Scouting biographies in one category; at the moment they are distributed all over the place. --jergen 13:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, your idea is even better. I'll do this right away or do you think we should put it on that project talk page first? Rlevse 13:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Be bold. This can be reverted easily if somebode objects. --jergen 13:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
With one tweak, International Scouting should be under Scouting by country, it should be under Scouting and then all that other structure you came up with under that. That OK? Rlevse 13:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Try it. In my eyes International Scouting is also part of Scouting by country, but its organizations should somehow have a connection to the organizations' category. --jergen 13:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'll see what I can come up with. Rlevse 13:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'll check it later on. For the next hours I'll be off. --jergen 13:46, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
See my sandbox, User:Rlevse/sandbox, with this structure I'm OK with International Scouting also as a sub of Scouting by country. Rlevse 14:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mediator[edit]

If you won't agree to Bduke, there's a wiki mediator who's an occassional project participant, User:Markovich292. I also know a wiki admin in the MILHIST project who I think would also do a good job-User:ERcheck. Let me know who you'd agree to that the others may agree too. Rlevse 19:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Scouting FAC question[edit]

I'm asking you this because I think you wrote these parts. See the FAC for Scouting. There's a question about what are now footnotes 51-54 (Includes ####...) and that the ref'd articles don't have valid refs for the numbers. Can you add footnotes to both Scouting and the country articles or tell me what the refs are and I'll add them? Thanks. Rlevse 16:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Saw your note on the FAC page. Please do what you can otherwise, we'll at least have to remove the footnotes and maybe even the numbers from the count on the page for whatever country. For refs you find, we can put them in Scouting and the country articles. Since you have the counts in the country articles, I'd suspect sources are available as the counts had to come from somewhere. Truly appreciate all help. Rlevse 19:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I started with Germany and hope this is sufficient. Please fee free to format these sources since I'm not used to the complicated system used on the English Wikipedia. --jergen 20:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
France also done. --jergen 21:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks. Hopefully you can find the others. Rlevse 21:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Saw you found Italian ones too. Only Belgium and Poland left now. Rlevse 03:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Belgium done. --jergen 09:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Poland done. --jergen 10:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks, but while I see why you removed some of the refs I put in the membership chart (duped from the Scouting in... articles), some clearly had membership info. I'll mull over what to do with it. THanks too for finding a way to separate the notes. Rlevse 11:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I removed these references because they refferd only to one of the associations - and all these countries have more than one/two organizations... --jergen 11:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, good point, but that doesn't make them "strange" -;) Again, many thanks for the help. Rlevse 12:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
the notes are set up now, but the dynamic links in Belgium and Poland aren't working, I'll fix it later. Rlevse 15:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
They all seem fine now. Rlevse 16:28, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New cat[edit]

I've created Category:Scouting in Russia and put some articles in it, but I've sure there are others I haven't found yet. Rlevse 15:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Found one. --jergen 21:04, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Task force[edit]

As no one has objected to the name or Kingbird being the TF coordinator, I've creating this. See the the TF talk page and main page (on the project navigation pane. Rlevse 15:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)...go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting task force. One of the first things members should do is define your goals and scope. I and I'm sure others will help with templates, ideas, whatever you need, just let us know.Rlevse 15:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
drop by the task force page, Kingbird is trying to get it off the ground. Rlevse 16:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image captions[edit]

Brother Jergen, At the link you sent me to, it says "Photos and other graphics should have captions unless they are “self-captioning”, ... when the graphic is an unambiguous depiction of the subject of the article. I've taken off the caption boxes for several reasons-

1) Many of the articles are beginning to standardize to the WorldScout template, which does not use the caption box.

2) The images _are_ selfexplanatory, except in cases like Burma or Georgia or Laos or Mali, where there is some text or some part of the emblem which bears explanation.

3) Other articles on the Wikipedia, like articles on corporations or police departments or army units, do not use the caption box, it is understood that the image used is their logo.

4) Removing the caption boxes makes the articles look cleaner, especially since many of the fleur-de-lises you got at that German site have too much white space around them. Removing the caption boxes deemphasizes that.

5) Several of the removed caption boxes were poorly titled or misspelled. Nobody is going to look at the image and think it is something unrelated.

Those are my reasons, I hope you understand. Now, if there is consensus from project members to put them back, I will stop removing them, but I hope you will understand my logic and let me continue. Thanks, brother. Chris 15:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then you're not reading all the articles very carefully. On the Dominican one, I specifically explained what the badge is. If you feel you must follow after me and delete the work I do, that is your problem, not mine. Wikipedia is for everyone to edit. I've tried to be Scoutlike with you, I just don't care to anymore. Chris 08:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
These articles were on my watchlist - is this forbidden? Pls read WP:AGF and try to follow the standards set up for image uploads. --jergen 08:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects[edit]

I don't mind putting in your project tags, but could you please put in redirects on your non-English articles? Virtually no one is going to come to the English wiki and type in Association des Guides du Burkina Faso, for example, especially not if its a non-Latin script. The odds of these being found on a search are virtually nil. Rlevse 22:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Concernig project tags: I don't put them because I don't want to rate my articles myself. A second view is often better.
Any proposal what this user might type in? WAGGGS doesn't use any translations of associations' names when they are in French or Spanish and most of these associations (especially the African) don't have web presences (and even when, only in French or Spanish). My translations in the articles are only rough and homemade, so I don't want to link them.
And Wikipedia's search is far better than you may think: "Guiding Luxembourg" gives this result. The first listed article is the one users may search for. Even Google lists the relevant article as #3 in its search [7]. (I took this article since its old enough to be indexed.) --jergen 11:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Anything with an official translation is good and anything you've used in your list. There's nothing wrong with several redirects to the same article, just as both WAGGGS and WAGGS point to the full spelled out article. I made the Latvian redirect myself because someone complained about it not being there. Face it, not may people on the English wiki are going to type in a name in French, much less Latvijas Skautu un Gaidu Centrālā Organizācija. They shouldn't have to use wiki's search, they should be able to go directly to the article or only use one redirect. It's also in our RulesStandards to make the redirect from the last time this came up and I really think it's a quite reasonable way to do things.Rlevse 11:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

rv - voting Sock puppet[edit]

Thank you, Jergen, I thought that looked very much like a sockpuppet-most of the names they want in English don't translate exactly. I have an idea, they do this in the Central Asia project. What would you think of taking each of the proposed redlinked name sequences, and making them all redirects, so they all pipe back to the proper article with the proper name in the local language? I mean, I find most articles just by typing "_x country_" and "Scout", but there are some it doesn't work for. (I see Randy's proposal above, that's kind of what they do, like with the interim Turkmen president.) Chris 06:27, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Russian Scouting Question[edit]

Hi, I'm trying to find the Russian equivlant of the Eagle Scout (US). I asked Rlevse for help, and told me to try asking you. I believe it's the Order of the Bronze Beaver, but googling, the Russian Association of Scouts/Navigators article, or the List of highest awards in Scouting could acertain the answer. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. Zidel333 18:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Order of the Bronze Beaver is - AFAIK - the highest award of (at least) one of the Russian Scouting organizations [8] and equivalent to the Silver Buffalo Award.
I don't know which rank is equivalent to Eagle Scout but you should remember that Russia has a many Scouting organizations with different advancement schemes so their should be some "equivalents". The Russian Union of Scouts' shop doesn't list rank badges.
Concerning RAS/N: There is some evidence that this organization is mainly virtual [9]. --jergen 09:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

News on Scouting in Russia[edit]

Hi Jergen, thank you for the information. That doesn't surprise me-when I lived there, it was very difficult to contact actual Scout officials, almost as though they were too careful to talk to outsiders, but the moment they wanted something from _you_, they could find you. Now, on the RASN site, there is a picture of a fellow with a great big green fleur-de-lis over his right pocket, he may just be support personnel. As far as I know, there really are no functioning, healthy in the accepted sense, accessible organizations among those WOSM has accepted, except Georgia and Armenia-and that's WOSM's fault. The Region really needs to be split up between the European and A-P Regions, if for nothing else than to get it out of the hands of the KGB showboat at the top. Chris 18:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for finding the website for Sakartvelos Gogona Skautebis Asociacia 'Dia', I spent all morning trying to find it, and then I had a wedding to go to, it was going to bother me. I had it on my old computer before it crashed. You are great at research. Chris 02:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo Jergen[edit]

Ich beantrage die sofortige Aufhebung meiner Sperre, die du gegen mich ohne eine Anhörung von mir ausgesprochen hast. Hättest du den Text genau gelesen, so bezog sich dieser nicht auf eine Fälschung durch die Benutzerin:Irmgard sondern bezog sich darauf, dass evangelikale Vereine -egal welcher Colour- oft ihr Datenmaterial verändern und zu hohe Zahlen angeben. Dies bezog sich nicht auf Benutzerin Irmgard selbst !!!! Davon distanziere ich mich ausdrücklich und finde es schon ein starkes Stück, dass ein solche Sperre ausgesprochen wurde von Dir, ohne mir Gelgenheit zu geben, danach gefragt zu werden. Benutzer:GLGerman/ User:GLGerman 212.95.119.46 00:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Es ist schon ein starkes Stück, dass du mir hier Fälschungsvorwürfe gegen Benutzer:Irmgard unterstellst. Entweder hast du dies bewusst oder unbewusst gemacht, da ich dich auf meiner Liste der Negativerfahrungen einsortiert habe. Aber du solltest genauer lesen, dass sich der Vorwurf nicht gegen Benutzerin Irmgard richtet, sondern meine Meinung ist, was evangelikale Vereine und fundamentalistische Vereine angeht -egal ob christlich oder beispielsweise islamisch. Ich habe dies gerade per E-Mail beantragt und mich über dich wegen dieser Sperre beschwert; niemals würde ich hier Benutzerin Irmgard selbst Fälschungen unterstellen. Es geht um eine Meinungsäußerung von mir bezüglich evangelikaler und fundamentalistischer Vereine und wie diese ihr Mitgliederzahlenmaterial aufbereiten. Du solltes schleunigst, die 3 Tagessperre aufheben. 212.95.119.46 00:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pfadpfindereinsatz[edit]

Über deinen Pfadfindereinsatz auf der Wikipedia bin ich sehr positiv beeindruckt.GLGerman 03:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Danke für die Blumen. Die reine Artikelarbeit ist deutlich einfacher und auch angenehmer als das Administrative, da sie konfliktärmer ist. Die Adhoc-Enscheidungen, die man als Admin immer wieder treffen muss, haben dafür viel mehr Potenzial. --jergen 08:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scouting controversy and conflict[edit]

I made some changes to the article to focus more on the issues. --Jagz 07:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting/Translations[edit]

This is not getting sorted out. Since you said you did not accept me as a mediator, nothing has happened. I am prepared to help. Do you have any ideas about sorting it out? I am hesitant to even join the debate after you rejected my offer to mediate. Reply here or e-mail me if you want from my user page. --Bduke 11:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm now willing to accept you - but I don't think that any mediation would work while somebody's sockpuppet User:English Subtitle continues moving articles; at least one of them againts a former discussion on renaming it Talk:Boy Scouts and Girl Guides of Austria. --jergen 14:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clever Chess Playing with GL German --80.142.203.208 10:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC) but completely the wrong way.[reply]

Hi Jergen, have you had time to look at the long discussion in "Discussion 4" of the mediation? Evrik should be back now and I'll ask him to comment too. I have been searching for a compromise that was between your position and that of Evrik and one that might be more convincing to people outside the Scouting Project who might want to change titles without knowing what we have done. In this regard, the Honduras article is a good case and you might also give your thoughts on what should be done with the title of that article. I look forward to reading your views. --Bduke 23:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Catholic Scouts of Europe/Katholische Pfadfinderschaft Europas again[edit]

I already apologized. I also asked that the history be merged. --evrik (talk) 19:08, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gang Show[edit]

I responded to your comment re the above's inclusion in See Also without having looked at your User Page. My response was to provide a dictionary definition of international. This was not meant to imply that your command of English is inadequate although I now see that it could be interpreted as such. I provided the definition to support my contention that Gang Shows are sufficiently part of the movement internationally to merit a See Also link. I apologise if there has been any offence given. There was none intended. Albatross2147 13:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There was no offence at all... I should have written "worldwide". --jergen 13:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Help[edit]

We need your expertise at Talk:Scouting#Citation_Match-up.Rlevse 17:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

UEB[edit]

Sorry, I'm stupid brazillian, I can read books in portuguese, for example, Guide of Scout, publish by UEB, in this book have the history of UEB, if you have some itel, you can understanded Rodrigo.T.Argenton 19:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't understand what you want to express; if you can't express it in English, please write in Spanish (preferred) or Portuguese (only as second choice; I may misinterpreted some content).
I reverted you edit in Brazilian Scouts Association: the portuguese wikipedia is no valid source, crossreference is not allowed. --jergen 19:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Page Moves[edit]

Hello, thanks for your message. I am sorry I could not help sooner, I was not around much last week. I am available to try to help with those page history problems now. Is there anything new to tell me about the situaiton or should I just wade in? Thanks, Johntex\talk 16:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'm sorry I got here too late this time. Please don't hesitate to look me up again and hopefully I will be able to help next time. Johntex\talk 16:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

French Scouting[edit]

Sounds good to me, brother, and I will also make the correction in the Indochinese articles. :) Yours in Scouting, and your friend, Chris 22:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can't tell when it was taken out, but The Uganda Scouts Association makes no mention of WOSM. Also, I sent you an e-mail, I would like your thoughts. Chris 08:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article never had a leading definition. --jergen 08:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much for your work in helping improve the not-yet-WOSM stubs, I am glad there are some of us who really care about the World Scouting articles, I am glad you are here, brother. Would it help to add the {{infobox WorldScouting}} box to all of them? We really probably should do that to all World Scout org articles. Chris 04:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
ps-just had a brainstorm. You seem to have good access to World Scouting documents, perhaps in those unrecognized countries, maybe we can find what exactly keeps them from being recognized? :) Your thoughts? Chris 04:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that the infobox would make these articles any better - quite the contrary: It would be a clear statement that we know (near to) nothing on Scouting in these countries. But it should be included in the articles with more content.
My access to world Scouting documents is the same as yours: via the archives on scout.org and wagggs.org and via Google. It sometimes helps to search in other languages than English: Many of the ressources on smaller associations are only in the country's native language. --jergen 09:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Evangelical Scouting[edit]

Maybe you should write over evangelical scouting ? GLGerman 16:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you should stop talking about things you don't understand? Or are you referring to Protestant Scouting as in the German Verband Christlicher Pfadfinderinnen und Pfadfinder, the Swedish Frälsningsarméns Scoutförbund, KFUK-KFUMs Scoutförbund and Svenska Missionskyrkans Ungdom Scout, the Danish Danske Baptisters Spejderkorps, KFUM-Spejderne i Danmark and De grønne pigespejdere, the Norwegian Norges KFUK-KFUM-speidere or French Eclaireuses et Eclaireurs unionistes de France? Or perhaps to non-aligned movements like the Royal Rangers and Pathfinders?
BTW, Wolfgang Huber is a former member of the Christliche Pfadfinderschaft Deutschlands (a predecessor of the Verband Christlicher Pfadfinderinnen und Pfadfinder) and a de:Kreuzpfadfinder - which makes him surely (supposing your sight of these matters) a promoter of evangelical positions. --jergen 17:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lusophone[edit]

I made a redir for this, Community of Lusophone Scouting.Rlevse 16:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; I'm just working on this. Redirects are part of the final steps. --jergen 16:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No problem.Rlevse 16:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scouting troll[edit]

The troll Testbed, re child abuse,...his ref is BSA specific and not appropriate for a Scouting-wide article. Be careful not to feed the troll.Rlevse 21:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just posted a defence to this unfair charge on [[10]] Testbed

Bund der Pfadfinderinnen und Pfadfinder[edit]

Chris created this article. DOesn't it already exist under a different name? SHouldn't there be an "en" at the end? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rlevse (talk • contribs) 09:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

No:
  • There was no article on this organization until tody.
  • The title is correct; when speaking of Boy Scouts "Pfadfinder" is singular and plural.
I'll expand it a liitle bit. --jergen 10:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, then why isn't it "Pfadfinderin und Pfadfinder" Why does the female term get the pluralizing "en" but the male term doesn't?Rlevse 19:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's just German grammar: plural of "Pfadfinderin" is "Pfadfinderinnen", plural of "Pfadfinder" is "Pfadfinder".
  • Guides: sing. die Pfadfinderin, der Pfadfinderin, der Pfadfinderin, die Pfadfinderin; plur. die Pfadfinderinnen, der Pfadfinderinnen, den Pfadfinderinnen, die Pfadfinderinnen.
  • Scouts: sing. der Pfadfinder, des Pfadfinders, dem Pfadfinder, den Pfadfinder; plur. die Pfadfinder, der Pfadfinder, den Pfadfindern, die Pfadfinder.
It may look strange but the name is very clear to those speaking German; both genders must be plural (indicated by der, -innen and und). Otherwise it would be Bund der Pfadfinderinnen und des Pfadfinders (Union of (many) Guides and the (one) Scout) or Bund der Pfadfinderin und des Pfadfinders (Union of the Guide and the Scout) - which is nonsens. --jergen 19:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ah , got it, my German is rather rusty these days. Of course, Englisch is much stranger!Rlevse 20:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]



Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting/Translations mediation[edit]

Hi Jergen, I see you have not been too active on the English Wikipedia recently, so I understand, but we would like your comments on the current state of the mediation. I would like to move it forward at the weekend. --Bduke 21:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]



Vanuatu Girl Guides Association[edit]

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Vanuatu Girl Guides Association, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Tyrenius 22:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scouting in Ukraine[edit]

Brother, I haven't seen you on here in a while, are you still active? Remember the dot has set himself up as the self-appointed arbiter of what we can and can't do with images on Wikipedia articles, though you and I have been careful not to use images in templates since we knew that. Can we set up the images for Scouting in Ukraine like you did for Scouting in Russia? Please let me know, thank you. Chris 04:33, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Girl Guides[edit]

What's up with reverting my bot's edits to pages linking to the disambiguation page Girl Guides? I will suspend working on this page until I hear from you. However, I hope you are aware that links to disambiguation pages are disfavored and should be addressed in some manner. --Russ (talk) 10:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted only those edits where your bot changed links from Girl Guides (or Guiding) to Girl Guide and Girl Scout. If you would have read the dab-page and the article you may could have seen that the first is on the world-wide movement and the second one on a special age group within some associations. As long as there is no article on the movement links to a dab are better than misleading links. --jergen 11:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Jergen is absolutely correct. Your bot is altering links it doesn't understand.Rlevse 11:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The distinction you suggest is not stated at all on the disambiguation page, and is not stated very clearly (at least, it wasn't clear to me) on the Girl Guide and Girl Scout page. And, as far as I can tell from reading the Scouting article, there isn't any separate Guiding movement; rather, it is simply the female component of the overall Scouting movement. Maybe that is not the reality, but that is the impression given by the articles that now exist. Hope you folks can figure out how to fix this mess; I myself have no interest in wasting my time doing work that is going to be undone, so I'm moving on to other topics. --Russ (talk) 12:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for wasting my time; nobody requested your bot to start a mess. --jergen 14:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Russ--Good!Rlevse 09:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Girl Guides 2[edit]

Hi. Thanks for cleaning up the mess done by Paxse, but why did you make Girl Guides a stub vice an agreed upon redirect? Rlevse 20:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You shouldn't change agreed upon structures on your own without discussing first. See Talk:Scouting. Rlevse 19:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Leaving this a disambiguation leads to somebody changing all links to this page to any of the articles mentioned on it; this happend twice this year. --jergen 19:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You should fix the articles or bring it up on Talk:Scouting so the agreed upon article structure can be agreed upon to a change. Rlevse 19:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is impossible to fix; in most articles Girl Guides is a reference to Guiding as well as to the WAGGGS as well as to the age group. AFAICS there was no dicussion on Talk:Scouting on this matter, perhaps on some other place? --jergen 19:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
oops, it's the chart on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Scouting, which was mostly Wim's work.Rlevse 19:42, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll write a proposal tomorrow. Can we leave this as it is until the discussions starts? This would avoid changes on pages linking there. --jergen 19:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. drop your idea on the project's talk page. Rlevse 21:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
???? Rlevse 10:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have any intention of writing this proposal? It's been over a week now. This is the last time I'll ask before taking care of it myself.Rlevse 21:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Iranian Scouting[edit]

Brother, I have been thinking, maybe we have Iran mislabeled as being part of the Arab Region. In the article, most of the stuff seems to point to it being in the A-P Region. You are better at finding out the international links, could you look into this? Danke und Gut Pfad, Chris 03:51, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think you were away at camp when I sent this to you. Have you any thoughts on this? Chris 05:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll have a look at it, but it could be difficult. Perhaps I'll get some Informations on the WSJ? --jergen 08:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Are you going to the Jamboree? Very cool! :) Chris 05:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You're back! How was it? What did you find out? :) Chris 00:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wandervogel[edit]

I've reverted your last change because I don't understand what point you are trying to make. The article clearly requires a section of text which explains what happened in the period between 1895/6 - as mentioned in the introduction to the article - and the period after WW1 where the substantive text starts. I have edited info from the cited article which seems to me to provide an NPOV overview of that period, from the movement's foundation up to WW1, and also provides a bit of context re 19th century social movements in Germany generally. You claim it is POV - why ? If you can provide a better overview of those issues, please do so, but I'd be grateful if you did not simply revert again, without proper explanation, what seems to me to be useful and necessary text. Ghmyrtle 21:24, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The whole of the text is wrong and contains as many faults as possible:
  • There were very few 'hiking societies' in Germany in the 19th century.
  • The Wandervogel is not connected to the Friends of Nature which started in 1895 in Austria.
  • The first group was founded by Karl Fischer in 1895 in Berlin. Hermann Hoffmann was his teacher and took his classes on hikes in the early 1890s.
  • The Wandervogel was no 'anti-establishment'.
  • The Wandervogel consisted mainly of five or six nationwide organizations, not of 'autonomous bands'.
  • The number of members is unknow. Most scholars estimate about 20.000.
  • Nearly none of its members 'wore woollen capes, shorts and Tyrolean hats'.
  • It is impossible that 'Both sexes swam nude together', since nearly all organizations separated the sexes.
  • The movement did not start 'establishing permanent camps open to all' - camping is a concept foreign to this movement and was introduced by the Scouts and the YMCA. --jergen 14:57, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your explanation. However, I would urge you to set out, in the article itself, the information which you obviously have on the formative years of the movement. At present the article simply refers to the formation of the Wandervogel in 1895, but there is no information on what it did in the period up to 1918. The article states : After World War I, the leaders returned disillusioned from the war - but it gives no indication of who those leaders were (Fischer - and Hoffman ?), the size or structure of the organisation, or why it was formed in the first place. This is essential information which should be set out in the article itself - together, if you wish, with a rebuttal of the (false, in your view) information in the article which I cited. Ghmyrtle 19:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to write something in the next days, but this is no easy task. The German article isn't any better than the English one, so I cannot translate it. And writing something anew in a foreign language will take some time. --jergen 20:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I understand. If you would like to draft a section in English and post it on my user page (or here) before including it in the article, I would be happy to check it over for grammar, vocabulary etc. Ghmyrtle 10:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

de:Pseudepigraph[edit]

A german singular form would be a new and artificial word. In german usually as pluraletantum: Pseudepigraphen. Pseudepigraphs are defined as classical literature. Others you can see in Category:Literary forgeries, Category:Literary hoaxes, Category:Medieval legends, Category:false documents. --Wst 09:59, 19 June 2007 (UTC)(wann wirst du mir in de: eine Chance zur Diskussion bieten? )

de:Wikipedia:WikiProjekt Kategorien/Diskussionen/2007/Juni/18#Kategorie:Pseudepigraphie ist auch als IP problemlos bearbeitbar. --jergen 17:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
with the best will unfortunately not for my IP. --Wst 20:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Scouting Sex Abuse Cases[edit]

I'm rather curious as to why you reverted my edit. The statement I removed did not indicate a date (it referenced an entire decade, which is generally not acceptable), did not cite a source, and did not provide any detail. I can see maybe rewording it and adding to the section (there should not be an entire section for a single sentence), but not leaving it as it is as the current piece is completely unacceptable. SarcasticDwarf 16:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

reverting my edits[edit]

I object to your reversion of my edits without explanation. The English in this article is substandard to say the least. You should thank me for my contribution to making it half way understandable.--Gilabrand 11:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes you seem to have a very proprietory attitiude towards articles - once you and your mates have edited something it seems that the pattern is to revert anyone elses edits as though they have been done in bad faith, For example your group efforts to expunge ANY mention of Gang Shows in the Scouting as if a short reference to such an article is some way detrimental to the article! Youse complain that the activity does not take place in many countries but the whole of the article is full of US-centric references. In particular I find the reference to activities involving firearms objectionable in that I cannot find any reference to the use of firearms by scouts in any country (where's the citiation??) (which is perhaps why around 8 children a day die in murders, suicides and accidents involving guns in the US). Funnily enough the citation (which you are so keen on) at the end of the sentence in article that mentions firearms activities links to a Scout site which is all about activites promoting peace and harmony. Incidentally I have an image of a poster promoting a Gang Show in Chicago I am try to work out how to use it appropriately in one of the articles. Albatross2147 05:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No answer - as long as you include personal remarks in any statements. --jergen 08:56, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image descriptions[edit]

I figure so long as we have the images there, and they have captions, it's not enough just to say that it is the emblem, but what it has on it if I can. I know those two are weird. I do not know why the apple is significant to the Seychelles, though I have been looking. I have a 6-inch black-and-white image of the Belarus emblem, it really is a hummingbird as that is the name of a level in several Eastern European Guide organizations. In the color image, it doesn't show so clearly, though. Chris 09:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For instance, right now I am at the Haiti Girl Guides, and I'll be danged if I know what that is. :-o Thanks for your help, and I'll be curious to find out what you learn at the WJ! Chris 09:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the correction, I never would have figured out BabelFish to do that! @;^} Chris 09:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gang Show[edit]

The Troop 3 Derby Gang Show in Derby CT predates the even the Reader show. Oh dear. What a pity. How sad. Albatross2147 00:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying, that vital parts of the article are incorrect? Should I propose it for deletion?
I can't see yout point. --jergen 08:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WJ wishlist[edit]

Reminder. Any wishes? --jergen 20:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes please! Please get a badge, a photo of a badge, or a physical description of a badge, for the newest WOSM members which joined in September 2005, Guinea and Malawi. If you can get actual badges I will trade or reimburse; if a photo or description we can have the GraphicsLab clean them up or create them. Thanks, brother! Chris 04:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also, again see if you can find if maybe we have Iran mislabeled as being part of the Arab Region, when it should be A-P. Chris 04:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much, that's great! Also, if you get a chance to speak with the folks from Kazakhstan, (many of them being Volga Germans like my family, so you may be able to speak in German), I think they stand the next best chance for membership from Eurasia Region. Chris 08:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects[edit]

Next time we have a redirect issue/article name change, keep in mind AWB can be used to easily fix the links.Rlevse 10:19, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Scouting in Spain[edit]

Okay, so the deletionists destroyed the worldwide gallery of Scout and Guide emblems, so I have made smaller, country specific galleries for national articles. Now they're saying we can't have them on the country specific ones? Someone has to put a stop to this madness. Chris 06:27, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Number of Boy Scouts of America members[edit]

The number of Scouts for the United States (Boy Scouts of America) on the List of World Organization of the Scout Movement members is 6,239,435; but the number of Boy Scouts of America members is 2,938,698 youth and plus 1,146,130 adults. Can you explain this for me? Thank you very much. Motthoangwehuong 14:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The numbers on List of World Organization of the Scout Movement members were taken from WOSM (as of end 2006; online now mid 2007 numbers), the numbers in Boy Scouts of America come from BSA. It is unknown why these numbers differ at large, but there are possible explanations:
  • Numbers given by BSA include only those who made the Scout Promise. Explorers don't make the Promise but could be included in the numbers given by WOSM.
  • National Scout Organisations pay membership fees only for the first million members. This could lead to tranfer of exaggerated numbers by NSOs with more than one million members.
I hope this helps a little; some time ago we decided to keep to one source in the listto get som consistence. --jergen 16:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Scouting in Austria[edit]

Okay, there's enough new articles to justify a Category:Scouting in Austria. Also, have I offended you in some way? I have written you for months, but you do not respond. Gut Pfad, brother. Chris 21:51, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You'll be interested in this[edit]

See Talk:Girl_Guide_and_Girl_Scout#link_to_old_Girl_Guides_article and the redir the user made.Rlevse 01:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DP-Scouts[edit]

Phips started a workshop for this article at User:Phips/workshop/DP-Scouts, I've added to it, we could use your practiced help! :) Thanks, Chris 02:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Junge Freiheit[edit]

I see you've worked on the German Wikipedia article on Junge Freiheit. Could you take a look at the English version and see if it is accurate and complete? There was a complaint on the talk page that led me to remove a few POV assertions, but I don't read German so I can't do much to improve it. Your help would be appreciated. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 17:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Beslidhja Skaut Albania[edit]

Check out the discussion at Talk:Beslidhja Skaut Albania, it seems useful and helpful. Chris 20:23, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WOSM crisis[edit]

What is this WOSM crises really about? The letter dodges the issue. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't know. One of my friends will interview our NSO's president about it, and I'll ask him the same questions in about one week when we are meeting at an conference.
It is clear from the WOSM circular that the crisis centers on the secretary general, Eduardo Missoni, since the circular mentions "statements concerning the governance and the management" which are both in Missoni's responsibility.
I suspect that the main issue is the Nobel Peace Prize: All letters were sent around just a few days after the press conference on it. There were - at least in Europe - strong hopes that it would be awarded to the movement as a whole or at least to WOSM. But there must be more issues, perhaps the Jamboree (which was not that great success - but it was a real experience). In the background are the governance/management issues: Missoni tried to change things and he may have stepped on somebody's toes. --jergen 08:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
We got a first statement from our national chairman. There seems to be a broad dissatisfaction amongst a number of the NSOs concerning all fields of operation of the secretary general; mentioned were political, organizational and programmatic issues. More detailed informations are actually not given to th public. --jergen 13:09, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Through combined efforts of the members of Germany's most important forum on Scouting [11] we got the BSA letter. It adds some details to the picture. I will put it on User:Jergen/WOSM crisis: Open letter (BSA) for some weeks. --jergen

Outstanding job on this Jergen. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very good. Do you have the position of your NSO online? Was it translated? Were you at the Jamboree (we might have arranged a meeting, silly of me for not thinking of it)?
Anyway, this is the first time I hear that the Nobel Prize was part of the issue.
--Lou Crazy 02:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Again, great job. The only real coverage of the situation that I have found on the web. Kuddos! --Jdurbach 18:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think he wants to prove that he was actually doing his job correctly, and that most criticisms were specious in nature. Remember, he was a Scout and a Scout Leader before, he's not just someone hired to manage yet another NGO.
If you want to discuss this further, I'd rather do it by email, though.
Also, it's not "private" documents, it is public documents which were hidden without reason.
As I said, I didn't think of meeting other Wikipedians at the Jamboree, until it was too late. What were you doing there? I was manager of Internet Cafes.
--Lou Crazy 19:41, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scouting in Kazakhstan[edit]

As expected, the Organization of the Scout Movement of Kazakhstan will be admitted to WOSM membership. The WOSM Circular N° 29/2007 contains some informations on the organization that could be used in the article. --jergen —Preceding comment was added at 22:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you brother!
  • I have captured the text and will be editing and including it tomorrow
  • Were there other countries that will also be admitted to WOSM
  • Did you find out any answers (question posted at the Scouting WP) at the WSJ?

I am so glad to see you back and active. I thought I had maybe offended you. You and I work very well together, and I want to keep it that way. Thanks, Gut Pfad, Ihr Bruder, Chris 07:29, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I find that last sentence very interesting, and I wonder how true it is "In becoming a member of WOSM, OSMK will become, if it so desires, a member of the Eurasia Scout Region."

That implies

  • That it has the option not to be a member of the Eurasia Scout Region, but there are no stand-alone member countries

or

  • That it could instead join Asia-Pacific, which would then set a precedent for the Eurasia Scout Region to break up

Your thoughts?

Also, what about Ukraine or any other potential 2008 countries? Thanks, Chris 05:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, you did not offend me, I just did not have the time to write here.
On your questions:
  • As far as I know, there are no other countries close to admission.
  • The membership badge of Guinea was published on the new poster on WOSM's members. I will scan it soon. There are some more emblems that should be changed (eg Mongolia) but the poster contains also some faults. I could not get anything on Malawi and Iran.
  • If Kazakhstan chooses not to become a member of the Eurasian region, it is possible that they will join the European region as Germany was responsible for the support of OSMK. The WOSM constition contains no obligation for NSOs to join the regions but it is strongly expected.
  • I do not have any informations on Ukraine. As far as I know their were no Ukrains on the recent WSJ.
Hope that helps. --jergen 08:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and changed Iran to APR-all my research seems to point to that. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You mentioned the membership badge of Guinea, any luck with the scan, or can you describe it for me? Thanks, brother, Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 03:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Сојуз на извидници на Република Македонија[edit]

Based on http://www.scout.org.mk/index.php , it looks like Macedonia added "Republic" to the name of its Scout org, but I don't know when. Your thoughts? Chris 07:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I could see, "republic" is only mentioned in the title of the page, every other mention (including the postal adress) is without "republic". I do not think they changed it but it may be kind of a statement in the neverending Macedonia naming dispute. I really wonder that we did not get involved in this conflict with our article Sojuz na Izvidnici na Makedonija; the German Wikipedia has many problems with it. --jergen 09:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:South Tyrol[edit]

supparluca emptied and redirected Category:South Tyrol despite consensus at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 November 28#Category:South Tyrol to leave it alone. Chris (talk) 05:53, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scouting WikiProject in the Signpost[edit]

We'll be in the Signpost on Wednesday, 2 Jan about 17:00 UTC, someone noticed us, be sure to read it, many of us get it, read it on my talk page if you like. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sturmtrupp-Pfadfinder[edit]

From the to-do list: I created the article (mostly translation of the German article): User:Phips/workshop/Sturmtrupp-Pfadfinder, take I look. Should I move it?Can you help? Yours in Scouting-Phips (talk) 19:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Organization of the Scout Movement of Kazakhstan[edit]

Is WOSM now official and can we find an external source? Chris (クリス) (talk) 14:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's official right now. See [12]. --jergen (talk) 16:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Check that link against our text-it is an almost verbatim copy of our article! :) Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DumZiBoT[edit]

Please stop and check all edit of the bot. This [13] or this[14] is surely incorrect. --jergen (talk) 10:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How is [15] incorrect ?
The title blacklist has been tweaked, the first diff won't happen again
NicDumZ ~ 13:40, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TfD nomination of Template:ZHP[edit]

Template:ZHP has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 01:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hitler Youth[edit]

Hi, why did you delete my contribution on Hitler Youth?
Vinniebar (talk) 12:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced, very probable vandalism. --jergen (talk) 18:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Afghan Scout Association[edit]

Can you help with translation? It looks like de:Zarandoi is much better than our article in several areas. Danke und Gut Pfad, Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the German article is kind of our current collaboration. There are some contraictions between both articles, so we have first to solve them. But I think that both articles will get better. --jergen (talk) 20:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Would you take a look and see if my translation is okay? Thanks, Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 08:09, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Slovenian Scouts and Guides in Carinthia[edit]

I translated the material I found about Slovenian Scouts and Guides in Carinthia. Can you please take a look at User:Phips/workshop/ Should it become part of Scouting in Slovenia or an own article?-Phips (talk) 22:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

German photos, law...[edit]

Hi Jergen, please check out http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=101635 . A photograph exists of Baldur von Schirach together with Futara Yoshinori as spectators at fight games of the Hitlerjugend in Bremen, taken August 15, 1937. It says something really small at the side. Can you help get an image that is _not_ marked on? Thanks Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 09:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kosovo[edit]

I am reluctant to split what we have into a separate article. Your thoughts? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 23:39, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Syriac Scouts/Scouts Assyriens[edit]

Do you know anything about these guys? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 00:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Association nigerienne des scouts de l'environnement[edit]

I had never heard of them before, it seems to be noteworthy to include them in Scouting in Niger and in Green Scouting. :) Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 22:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

your reverts[edit]

May I ask why you made the following reverts? [16] and [17]. The image I had previously commented out is used in 4 articles so it needs to have 4 rationales. Currently, it has 2.--Rockfang (talk) 12:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A long as there is no template, that can merge different image rationales, I will not include two more of the same kind on the same page. Excessive tagging is not necessary, everybody can understand that the given rationale also applies for further articles. --jergen (talk) 12:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You may want to read the Wikipedia policy at WP:NFCC. Item 10c says that there must be a separate rationale for each use. If you disagree with that policy, you can voice your opinion on it's talk page.--Rockfang (talk) 13:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I do not disagree with the policy but with current template to implent it. --jergen (talk) 13:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need to use a template. If you check out WP:RAT, it shows a couple of different methods that can be used. WP:FURE has some too.--Rockfang (talk) 14:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have updated the image's page to reflect currrent policy.--Rockfang (talk) 00:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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