User talk:Giro 194

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Hello, Giro 194. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Vishwananda, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

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It sure seems to me that you work for the subject in some capacity. You must disclose this. Skyerise (talk) 11:44, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, @Skyerise. So, essentially, I need to "propose changes" on the talk pages of affected articles (I can use the {{edit COI}} template for this purpose). I had initially thought I'd already followed this process correctly. I now understand that I should refrain from directly tagging you and should instead hope that someone with the appropriate permissions will consider the request.

My question is, who is responsible for reviewing the information and proposed changes on these talk pages? I've tried reaching out to Hanumandas, the owner of the article, but unfortunately, I haven't received any responses. It appears that Hanumandas may have a clear agenda against Vishwananda. For the record, I don't work for Vishwananda; I like the Guru and I'm simply concerned about the sensitivity and biased way the article's portrayal.

Thank you for your assistance in navigating this process. Giro 194 (talk) 13:51, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there is more to it than that. If you are a member of Viswananada's organization, you need to disclose that. If you are editing on behalf of the subject, you need to disclose that. And if you are in a paid position, either in the organization or with an associated PR or legal firm, then you need to disclose that as well. And, if you are coordinating your editing with other users who you know in real life or are communicating with via email to coordinate edits, you also need to disclose that. Skyerise (talk) 13:58, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm editing based on my personal beliefs and interests. I'm not receiving any compensation for my contributions, and I'm not affiliated with the organization in question. But as i said, I like the subject and consider unfair the way it is portrayed.

Thanks. Giro 194 (talk) 14:02, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And I disagree. The article is both well-supported and neutral. It is also atypical for a new user's first edits to be to an AfD, unless they were recruited by another user. I'm afraid I just don't believe you. Skyerise (talk) 14:07, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I became involved in this because someone posted on Reddit about the AFD (Articles for Deletion) discussion on Wikipedia regarding Vishwananda, seeking support from the Reddit community to take action against the guru's Wikipedia page. In response to this, I created my Wikipedia account to contribute my perspective.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cults/comments/160dq6m/paramahamsa_vishwananda_of_bhakti_marga_is_having/ Giro 194 (talk) 14:27, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recruited by another editor, even if you don't know who they are. If you'd like another opinion as to whether the article meets our policies, the place to bring it up is the BLP noticeboard. Someone there will likely review the sources, if you ask. I went through them pretty thoroughly, but it's been edited since then, so... Skyerise (talk) 15:46, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok will try the BLP noticeboard, I need time to understand how does it works.. what it's perplexing (it's in the links I sent) that ARD made such grave accusations about this individual, including allegations of rape and attempted suicide. However, the person in question came forward to vehemently deny these claims and even took legal action against ARD. It raises significant questions about why Wikipedia should continue to regard ARD's accusations against the guru as valid sources of information. Or at least expose the poor way the investigation was conduced, based in blogs, Wikipedia, rumours or youtube videos, just forgetting to check with the "victim". Sorry it just blows my mind... then the documentary said the guru is married with a woman, but he is a Brahmin! is a big claim, and for sure will create a lot of controversies in the spiritual-leaders world, that is why this hanumandas was so happy to add it in. Giro 194 (talk) 20:22, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Brahmin is a caste; they aren't all renunciates, many are actors and all other professions. Most Brahmins marry. So I'm not sure what you're on about there. Skyerise (talk) 21:01, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, a Swami ... not a brhamin Giro 194 (talk) 13:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Use of multiple accounts[edit]

Hello, Giro 194, welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. Your editing pattern indicates that you may be using multiple accounts or coordinating editing with people outside Wikipedia. Our policy on multiple accounts usually does not allow this, and users who misuse multiple accounts may be blocked from editing. If you operate multiple accounts directly or with the help of another person, please disclose these connections. Thank you. Skyerise (talk) 12:15, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]