User talk:Fomalhaut44

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Four-Track/ Travel Holiday[edit]

I understand your frustration about Four-Track News. Here's the problem: the editor who created the article, Doug Coldwell, turned out to have very serious problems with his work (on hundreds of articles) going back years -- misrepresentation of sources and copyright violations being the most serious. Somehow, because of the obscure subjects he tended to write about, this went unnoticed for an embarrassingly long time. Attempts to help him understand the problem were fruitless -- it appears he honestly is unable to grasp why he can't just copy verbatim from sources, and why you can't use a newspaper article from 100 years ago to assert that something is true today.

Copyright violations are taken especially seriously, because they expose Wikipedia to legal jeopardy. Literally hundreds of his articles have to be reviewed and purged of such violations, and in fact the process is still going on: WP:Contributor_copyright_investigations/20210315#Doug_Coldwell_2. In some cases it's possible to check the article text against sources to determine where the article infringes, but in many cases that's not possible, and there was no choice but to simply cut the article down to a stub. That's what happened with Four-Track, and unfortunately, since you came to the article after Doug, there was no way to untangle your baby from his bathwater and both had to be thrown out.

That's not a very nice way for you to be welcomed to Wikipedia, I am sure, but not all is lost. The entire article history is available at [1], including your contributions. If the sources are online (or you have access to print-only sources), you could use the old article as a roadmap for rebuilding a new one that doesn't violate copyright. It would be a big job, but not impossible. Actually, it might even be possible to go through the old article (before it was cut down -- this one [2]) and just severely paraphrase everything; that way there'd be no chance you're using the source's words. I'm pinging in editors Trainsandotherthings and Justlettersandnumbers, who have been active on handling the Doug Coldwell copyright problems, to see if they have anything to say.

Again, sorry you got a sour introduction to Wikipedia, and please don't let it discourage you. EEng 20:29, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm of the opinion that there's zero reason to have redundant articles on Travel Holiday and Four-Track News as they're the same publication under different names. The Four-Track News name was only used for a few years by the NYC and then the name changed. It's generally as EEng says above, if you completely rewrite the article to ensure any copying or close paraphrasing is removed, there's no reason the article couldn't be fleshed out again. But even ignoring copyvio the article was poor because it only discussed the Four-Track News period and in excessive detail, with marginally related paragraphs about whatever Coldwell felt was interesting, and with generally poor writing in the parts Coldwell wrote, characteristic of his editing. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 02:37, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for answering my ping so promptly. EEng 05:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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