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I am assuming that the Alice b awards page has been deleted? I went to the page (Alice B Readers Award)I created a couple of years ago, and it all looks fine, has citations, seems to follow required formats. That page carries no flag or tag, so am I correct that all is well there? (If I created an incorrect page that you have rooted out, I apologize. I don't recall doing that, but I may have and appreciate that you have cleaned up the mess.)

Thanks for your assistance. Dmthompson (talk) 19:05, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Nope, it's still at The alice b readers award. This message dated from 2008, and the tag was later removed. ~ Matthewrbowker ^{Talk to me} 19:43, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Sourcing

Hello, Dmthompson. I noticed your edits to the Lesbian pulp fiction article. Seeing as they are unsourced, I'll likely revert your additions. But I am willing to give you some time to source the material. See WP:Reliable sources and WP:Citing sources for information on how to go about that. Also, changing the format of the "Development of the genre" heading to "Development of the Genre" is incorrect, as is your "Reemergence of Lesbian Pop Fiction" heading, per WP:Manual of Style. Read over that as well; not only to see what I mean about heading formatting, but for general information about formatting articles on Wikipedia. Flyer22 (talk) 08:22, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I am hoping that the updating of the formatting and my adding citations is sufficient to allow you to keep my additions to the article? I have worked long and hard studying this topic, and the edits I made reflect the facts of the books and articles I have researched. Thank you for any other advice or help you can give. Dmthompson (talk) 19:02, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Looking at your recent edits, it appears you have been adding sources to the article. That's fine, and your additions won't be deleted. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia! ~ Matthewrbowker ^{Talk to me} 19:46, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Dmthompson, thank you for adding reliable sources. I'm not sure that this or this source that you added to the Butch and femme article count as reliable sources, though. Read some of the WP:Reliable sources page I linked to above if you haven't already, as well as the WP:Verifiability page, and you will likely come away from them with an understanding of what constitutes a reliable source. If ever in doubt about what constitutes a reliable source on Wikipedia, you can ask about it at the WP:Reliable sources noticeboard. Flyer22 (talk) 23:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

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THANKS SO MUCH - I'll fix it! ;-)

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Sandra de Helen

Hello. Do you have some kind of connection to Sandra de Helen? You put her name on your user page five years ago.--- Possibly (talk) 01:56, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Did you happen to see the message I sent yesterday? I will reiterate it here:

Hi, I absolutely love the poetry of Sandra de Helen. I am not related to her, I do not live near her, I've never dated her or any of her relatives or friends or acquaintances . . . but I *have* met her a number of times when she has done readings and events in Portland. I also met her once at a GCLS convention and she was charming and shy. I took a picture of her back then that I will post so it meets the copyright guidelines, but I did ask her about photos, and she said she would gladly send me more if I needed them. Basically, I'm a great big Fangrrl, and I want her to write more and be known for her mad skills.

I tried to help her with her first website 4 or 5 years ago when I heard via Facebook that Wikipedia was threatening to erase her page (which I totally did not understand because this woman has been a powerhouse in her 77 years!) She's written more poetry than many poets (many of whom Wiki has never questioned). She's written tons of plays, three of which I have seen performed online. She has read her poetry at festivals and workshops and bookstores and online, in small gatherings and large theaters, and she's read portions of her four novels as well. Because she is so well thought of, her work is archived at 3 or 4 scholarly places (the names of which I will hunt down and add to the reference page.)

So I am attempting to put something together for her to be proud of before her demise, something that displays how talented she is, how important her work has been to the lesbian and feminist communities across the nation, and how much help she has provided to younger playwrights and poets. I'm just not sure why y'all at Wiki keep telling her she's not notable. You've got HORDES of people on Wikipedia who are not notable - or who have become infamous! - and Sandra is not one of them. ;-)

Let me know what other questions you have. In a matter of a couple of days, I will put finishing touches on the page, and I think you will eventually see that she is, indeed, VERY NOTABLE! All best, Dmthompson (talk) 06:54, 28 March 2021 (UTC)DMT

Dmthompson (talk) 22:24, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

As you say above, you are a friend of hers, which means you have a conflict of interest. It is that simple. See WP:COI.--- Possibly (talk) 22:44, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

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Please do not add promotional links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Thank you. --- Possibly (talk) 14:29, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Could you please specify what you are referring to as a promotional link? I have no idea what you mean? Dmthompson (talk) 22:26, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

I also pasted these on the article talk page, so you could see the examples of what is not acceptable. Does that make sense? We consider putting links like this into an article to be promotion of outside organizations.--- Possibly (talk) 22:43, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

• Launch Point Press, Publisher's Website
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• Portland Lesbian Writers Group
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• Sandra the Poet's Facebook Page
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• Lambda Literary Foundation and Lammy Awards
• Oregon Book Awards
• Midwest Wimmin’s Festival

PS: If you are going to reply about the links, please reply below in the thread that at the end. Thanks--- Possibly (talk) 23:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

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Hello----I do not believe I have a conflict of interest. My interest is in seeing that notable lesbian and feminist writers and organizations receive full and fair coverage here and in other venues. If you refer to whatever record you keep of the effort I make in creating Wiki pages, you will see that over the years, I've mostly been focused on writers. Does someone at Wikipedia have an issue with lesbians or lesbian works, or what? I do not understand the pushback here, as if someone at Wikipedia had some personal grudge against this author. I've put up many pages with fewer references with no problems. Isn't the woman notable just for having published 8 well-reviewed books, six of them with reputable traditional publishers?

I don't intend to advertise anyone. I am not the employer or employee of the subject of the article. I am not their client--they are not mine. I'm a retired school teacher and my affiliation is as an admiring fan who believes that Sandra de Helen's contributions to the literary world and the lesbian community of writers is NOTABLE. I mean, come on----Wikipedia carries a category of a "List of Super Bowl Commercials" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Super_Bowl_commercials. How is that NOTABLE? Or take a look at today's "Random Article": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Tartaglia. Who wrote that and got it through? There are two books listed in the bibliography but no references at all. Why is Tartaglia notable and de Helen is not? Does she have to be decapitated to warrant a page?

One more thing I almost forgot: I have never received any compensation for any article I've edited or created.Dmthompson (talk) 22:40, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi. thanks for your note. Wikipedia really likes notable lesbians: we have 728 articles on lesbian writers. The reason your page triggered concerns was for four reasons. First, the only edit you have to your user page is to add a link to Sandra de Helen, so it really looked looked you were writing an autobiography, which we strongly discourage. Second, the external linking, which I give an example of above, is not allowed as it is promotional. Third, some of the sources you used are blogs (or Goodreads.com, if I recall correctly) and these are not what we call WP:RS. With so many poor sources and self-published items used as sources, it is a reasonable questions to ask if she is notable per out policies, so I tagged the article for notability. Another non-involved editor will assess that eventually. Finally, you are connected to the subject you are writing about, which makes you an impartial editor per our WP:COI policy. The best thing is if you leave the article for unconnected editors to edit. You can make requests on the talk page if you would like changes. Ok, does that all make sense now about why I had concerns? All the things I have mentioned are Wikipedia policies or guidelines. Also, can we keep the discussion to this thread? Thanks. --- Possibly (talk) 23:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, everything you are writing makes sense. Thank you. Let me comment on the four points you related:

1) I only wish I had the talent of the poets and others I find notable. <g> As I've spent most of my lesbian life with a dearth of resources until lately, I have been trying to rectify that in my own little way, especially now that I'm retired and have a little more time. A lot goes on that never hits the mainstream media. This makes it difficult for any notable lesbians to affirm their accomplishments, not to mention existence.

2) I can remove any of the links that you think are promotional. I listed various links because de Helen appears to be involved in them. Feel free to give me whatever advice you can share.

3) One of the difficult things about the sources is that blogs, reviews, and online interviews constitute the places where one would find most commentary on de Helen's work (and many lesbians' work). Because she is a poet, so many of her poems have been online; because she's a playwright, many of her plays have not been published, though I have found several dozen have been produced, including one in NY off-off-broadway a few years back. Some plays--in print and in performance--are on the internet (such as "Blue Roses" and "Singer Clashes with Cougar"). A lot of her work has been collected and archived, and I am currently seeking online or other sources to verify this at Werner Josten Performing Arts Library - Smith College Libraries, The Lesbian Herstory Archives, and International Centre for Women Playwrights. In addition, I'm researching awards and recognition she has received.

4) I don't believe the fact that I like and respect Sandra de Helen's work is a reason to reject the Wiki entry. We are not "friends" - I am a fan who has followed her work, much as I follow the work of Mary Oliver, Dorothy Allison, Sarah Waters, Judy Grahn, and Adrienne Rich (all of whom I have had interchanges with by email and/or seen in online performances or in person at some point in the past few decades).

I do believe we can come to an agreement, and I must say, I have learned a great deal during this process!Dmthompson (talk) 02:09, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

@Dmthompson:, let me give you some tips! Your article was put together really well, it's just that you aren't fully familiar with some of the policies. You are more than welcome to write more articles on Lesbian writers. The first thing is to find really good sources, which establish notability. There are some other tricks: if you can find two good book reviews, you can write an article on the book. It is all about satisfying WP:NAUTHOR or WP:NBOOKS. (I have written 500+ articles on women artists because I figured out that they pretty much cannot be deleted if the artists are in two permanent collections.) So read those notability guidelines carefully. Also, be aware of our WP:COI and WP:NOTPROMOTION guidelines. I think perhaps you just got really excited about the Sandra de Helen article, so I will leave that to your judgment. The key it to try to maintain WP:NPOV. Finally, there is a group of editors called Women in Red who are working to include more women on Wikipedia. If you ever need help, their talk page is really good place to ask questions abotu women-specific articles. I hope this helps--- Possibly (talk) 02:23, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

=======That's great! Thank you so much for the Women in Red link and also for the guidelines. I really learned a lot about how to write these entries in a more streamlined and supported fashion. Thanks so much! Dmthompson (talk) 21:33, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

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Fixed it. Thanks for the heads-up! Dmthompson (talk) 16:57, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks! I knew something was wrong - couldn't figure out why I wasn't getting the correct photo in place. I will fix it. Have a great day! DM Dmthompson (talk) 04:45, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, Moriwen,

This page was originally deleted because the previous reviewer said the individual was not "notable" enough. Well, now she is. *Of*course* there will be some substantially similar material to the older version I posted! The individual's career has carried on and she now IS notable. She is on her third book, has many reviews, podcasts, and interviews, and it is unfair to even question this. I have had trouble in the past because various of the Wiki reviewers have seemed to be picking on authors who are lesbian, claiming they are not "notable." I am hoping this is not how you operate. If you review the material, you will see that this individual well-deserves a page.

Thank you for your consideration,

DMT Dmthompson (talk) 03:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Uh-oh......when y'all said "speedily deleted" you should have said "ALREADY DONE!" I didn't even get a chance to click on the "Contest this speedy deletion" button, and POOF! The page is gone.

I must protest this treatment. Did anyone actually **read** the page? This is truly unfair.

DMT Dmthompson (talk) 04:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@JBW: Can you undelete per WP:Requests for undeletion#Judy M. Kerr with the condition (if Dmthompson agrees) that the page remain in draftspace until published via AfC? Comparing the new version with the AfD version, while it is sufficiently identical, I see improvements in citations, and there is content about the second book, which was "forthcoming, 2021" when the AfD took place in 2021. Jay 💬 06:19, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Jay, for your request, and for drawing my attention to this. Dmthompson, I will restore the page to draftspace, on the understanding that Jay has mentioned. You may like to re-read what you have written, and consider whether it was the way of requesting help which was the most likely to get a positive response. JBW (talk) 09:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you for looking at this swiftly and agreeing to restore the page. I will - of course - be adding more data. The individual is a speaker at a conference in June and featured at a literary event in MN in July. I'll be able to add lots more data. I also have to get in touch with her for more verifications.

So I will be as cooperative as you need me to be.

Now I just have to figure out what happened to the other page I posted!

Have a great day,

-) Lori

Dmthompson (talk) 01:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I notice you have not worked in draftspace, see how WP:AfC works. Also, remember to add the Conflict of Interest disclaimer here once you get in touch with Judy M. Kerr. Reading the past discussions, I see you never added your COI for Sandra de Helen, or Mary Oliver, Dorothy Allison, Sarah Waters, Judy Grahn, and Adrienne Rich. If you corresponded with them by email, it is sufficient to be considered an interested party. Jay 💬 04:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips, Jay. We have never had contact with big-time authors such as Mary Oliver, Dorothy Allison, Sarah Waters, Judy Grahn, and Adrienne Rich. Also, I greatly admire a local poet and playwright, Sandra de Helen, and I had a difficult time trying to prove there was no COI. I do not consider myself an interested party with a conflict with any of the people I build a page for. I do not get paid--have NEVER charged. In fact, I don't generally get in touch with any of these authors unless I have to write to an agent or some website to get permission to use a photo or a video, etc. Wikimedia now wants me to submit a permission slip for an entry I created for KG MacGregor, and I will do that, but I took the picture at a conference, so I have to figure out how to get that permission.

Anyway, I find authors who I admire--perhaps I have seen them speak or been at a reading or Book Festival or I have simply read some or all of their books. If I think they deserve being wiki'd, then I research and create the pages. I don't think this is any different from a basketball fan who is ga-ga over Steph Curry or someone who has seen the Grateful Dead 18 times (and actually has a guitar pick once tossed off the stage to her!). Over the years, if I read something about any of the subjects I've written about, I will add that data here. Over time others also add information, and most of the pages I have written have expanded quite nicely.

There is a dearth of Wikipedia representation of lesbian authors (even though few editors at Wiki seem to believe me). Lesbian writing is, indeed, a small niche of the writing world, but it's vital and expanding nonetheless. I don't think people realize there are over 100,000 lesbian-related books listed on online retailer websites, many of them representing truly amazing writers with experiences and attitudes that speak to people in English-speaking countries around the world. Some of those authors are inextricably woven into the fabric of the 20th/21st Century historical reclamation of lesbians who had to hide their true selves.

I'm going on too long, and I apologize for that. I've been putting up pages periodically - probably 3-5 of them per year - for at least 20 years. I didn't use to have many issues at all----and in the last year, seems like everything I post gets challenged, deleted, fought over......it's exhausting!

So thank you for working with me on this.

DMT Dmthompson (talk) 07:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

The reason I brought up these names is because you mentioned them above at #Managing a conflict of interest and said all of whom I have had interchanges with by email. Direct contact is not required, email correspondence in a personal capacity will satisfy COI. Note that COI is different from the specific paid editing (which requires a different disclosure), and although the standard notification by User:Possibly mentioned paid editing, that is not the case here. The point is that a COI editor's interest in the subject is biased because of the personal connect, and that reflects in the writing. So you may want to read up on WP:COI - General COI (not paid editing), and reconfirm that you don't think you have a COI. Jay 💬 08:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Jay,

I must have misspoken in my message in the past. I know I have never emailed with the late Mary Oliver, or Judy Grahn, or the late Adrienne Rich. I vaguely remember asking one of my team for reference verifications from Dorothy Allison and Sarah Waters - but I don't recall that I myself had any contacts that would not satisfy the COI policy, though I may have followed up on something......but I just don't remember at all, meaning that I was not in any state of personal connection. Those writers are all "rockstar literati," and I'm an admirer, but not personally connected other than feeling admiration and gratitude for their contributions to lesbian literature.

Di Dmthompson (talk) 04:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

One more question, Jay: What do I have to do to get the JUDY M. KERR author page back online? Will someone repost it or do we have to recreate it?

Thanks for your help,

Di Dmthompson (talk) 04:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

JBW had restored it at Draft:Judy M. Kerr so you can get it reviewed and published via WP:AfC. Jay 💬 08:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, Di. I should have given you a link to the draft, instead of just saying I would restore it to draftspace and assuming you would then be able to find it. Thanks, Jay, for filling in the gap I had left. JBW (talk) 09:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

You all rock! Thanks for your help!

Dice & Lori Dmthompson (talk) 23:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Email?

Hello. I would like to discuss something private with you. How can i contact you? Rainbowtribe95 (talk) 14:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)