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January 2009

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Regarding your edit(s) to History of Estonia, it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Thank you. (Just some advice for newcomer.) Pan Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 18:07, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the Estonian films

With Hundiseaduse aegu, is there a book or an ancient chronicle that you still plan to add? There needs to be a printed source for it to be in the table.

I realize that you saw Alexander Nevsky without a source. That is because when I added the Eisenstein, the sources for it were a little complicated, and I never got back to it.

But there are definitely sources, chronicles, for Eisenstein.

Thanks for adding the films,
Varlaam (talk) 03:53, 7 June 2009 (UTC) in Toronto

Malev

The funny thing is, I went to Northern Crusades just now to add Malev.

And it was already there. And I was thinking, I honestly do not remember adding that film there. But when I saw Hundiseaduse aegu without a source, I realized that someone else added those films. And that's great.

It's great that someone else has found something to contribute.

Varlaam (talk) 03:58, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Tagging WikiProject Estonia articles

Thank you for tagging and assessing articles for WikiProject Estonia. However, please do not tag articles that have at best tangential relation to Estonia, such as Kylfings, Longship, Runic calendar, Trade route from the Varangians to the Greeks and Varangians - just because some item was in use in Estonia or the article mentions Estonia is no reason to include it to the WP. -- Sander Säde 07:52, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Kylfings refers propably to the Votes, who are one of Estonian tribes. Runic calendars were very common in western Estonia from 16th to the 18th century. I think this is enough to tag those articles. Trade route from the Varangians to the Greeks (however, one of the main subjects in Lennart Meri's famous book Hõbevalge) and Varangians are tagged with WikiProject Belarus, but they seem to be far less related to Belarussian history than Estonian history. DJ Sturm (talk) 12:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

World War II films talk page

I responded to your comment over there. Please have a look.

I think we should just start a new page.

So maybe wait 1 week. If no one else says anything, then it's time to create a new page with the same structure as the old page. Then the data will actually exist somewhere.

Then people can decide what to do with the data over the long term, either a separate page, or a separate section on the first page.

And of course your deleted data is not really gone; it can be recovered from the history log, where it already has the correct format!!

Varlaam (talk) 05:36, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Do some checking first

Make sure there is no other page. Try a simple search for:

• dramatized documentary
• dramatized documentaries
• dramatised documentary
• dramatised documentaries

The small differences probably do not matter, but if you are checking anyway ...
Then look at the List of Documentaries. Are d.d. films already being handled there in an organized way?
I personally am ok with d.d. being separate from documentary.
But DudeMan is active. You should wait for his opinion.
Varlaam (talk) 17:15, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

your deletion

has been reverted. As you have not given any reason and it was properly referenced I assume it was an accident. Regards --Dodo19 (talk) 14:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

POV changes to Eastern Front, WWII

Please offer your thoughts at Talk:Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)#Suvorov_POV, regarding your changes to that article. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 18:01, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Northern Crusades

Curonians, Semigallians, Selonians, Latgallians and Livonians are the direct predecessors of the Latvian ethnic group/nation.

Livonians aren't Estonian. Check your sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.68.82.226 (talk) 16:21, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Livonians are definitely rather Estonian than Latvian, as defined by their language, culture, genetics, ancient religion, etc. In the context of 13th century, if we say 'Latvians', it would mean Latgallians. All those ethnic groups have been assimilated by Latvians later but in the 13th century, they shared a little if anything with Latgallians. DJ Sturm (talk) 16:31, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

My dear friend, you're confusing two different things - tribal/linguistic groups and ethnic groups.

We're basically having an argument over whether it is acceptable to provide retrospective overview of events, which to me seems completely legitimate.

Yes, Livonians are Finnic, you have a point there, but in no way does that suggest that they aren't direct predecessors of the Latvian nation. Latvians are genetically as Finnic as Estonians are. Check the sampling data of N1c1 haplogroup.

In other words, when the proto-indoeuropeans migrated to Northern Europe, they were only a minority in comparison with the local, aboriginal populations. The same case applies to both the territory of Latvia and Estonia. They brought a new kind of social/economic organization, which was adopted by the Finnic people of modern Latvia/Estonia. Even though the Latvian-Finnic people slowly adopted the Baltic language (in contrast with Estonian-Finnic people), the genetic make up of the Latvian population is very similar to that of Estonia or Finland.

The Latvian nation started to form in 12th century due to mass migration triggered by the Christian invasion. The customs and languages of the Curonian, Semigallian, Selonian, Latigallian tribes were already very similar and mutually perfectly intelligible, so you're absolutely wrong when you claim that Curonians, Semigallians, Selonians are somehow "unLatvian".

As I said, I agree that the mention of Livonians under the name of Latvians is "retrospective", yet it provides a sense of general direction to the average reader, who probably hasn't heard about Livonians and doesn't know anything about them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.68.82.226 (talk) 19:49, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I just saw that you added Curonians to the list of Estonian tribes. Is this some sort of a joke? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.68.82.226 (talk) 19:52, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree with what you said about Livonians, but it doesn't mean that we can consider them as part of Latvians, and certainly we cannot do it when we are talking about the 13th century. Those tribes didn't feel that time that they had something common, nor were they all called with a general name 'Latvians'. For example, Chronicle of Henry of Livonia considers Estonians, Livonians, Curonians and Latvians-Latgallians all different nations. How things evolved later, has nothing to do with the time we're talking about. I removed 'Latvians', I hope you agree with status quo in the infobox. DJ Sturm (talk) 16:59, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

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hello,

I see your a nationalist, but you shouldn't state your oppinion with not reliable sources, especially youtube. Thank you. Cheers.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 15:29, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, you may be blocked from editing. -- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 15:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

The information I added in the RT article was backed by sources which were in Estonian, not my own personal analysis. It consisted of two facts (1. RT labeled the gathering as pro-Nazi; 2. the translation was false) and not any kind of judgement or POV. The YouTube link was the actual RT news clip. DJ Sturm (talk) 15:55, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes but let this disruptive, nationalistic edits you made. Wikipedia should contain edits written in a npov, not your personal opinion, that are possibly used as a propaganda.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 16:02, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey, what I wrote in the article were purely neutral facts. Facts are always NPOV, right? You may change the wording but not delete verified information. Please stop trolling. DJ Sturm (talk) 16:09, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

If you think I'm trolling, that's fine. However, about your edits:

• The links are on estonian language or other languages, so english user are not able to read it.
• Again, youtube is not reliable, find another source, e.g. on RT.com
• The statements of the politicans may be invented, because it is on estonian.

-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 16:43, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

This source: [1] has also summaries in English and Russian. Well, I can speak Estonian and that information is just the same what sources told. DJ Sturm (talk) 17:00, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Alfons Rebane

Sorry to correct you but the unit Rebane was serving at the time her received the Knight's Cross and later the Oak Leaves was not considered a foreign unit. SS-Grenadier-Regiment 46 was Waffen-SS unit and not an Estonian independant unit. MisterBee1966 (talk) 15:04, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

So the same would go about Léon Degrelle, am I right? DJ Sturm (talk) 17:06, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

For the Knight's Cross yes. For the Oak Leaves no, because 5. SS-freiw. Sturm-Brigade "Wallonien" at the time was a Belgian unit. Confusing I know. MisterBee1966 (talk) 18:32, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, can you please explain how were 5. SS Brigade and 20. SS Division different then? DJ Sturm (talk) 19:45, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Well I can make an attempt at it but to be honest I haven't fully understood it myself. The 20th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Estonian) in principle was a German SS Division, commanded by a German but its members were Estonian volunteers. Consequently all Estonian Knight's Cross recipients were listed as members of the Waffen-SS and not as recipients in the military of allies of the Third Reich, which are listed as foreign recipients. The 28th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Wallonien on the other hand was a Belgian division under Belgian command which fought for Nazi Germany, therefore its Knight's Cross recipients are members of the military of allies of the Third Reich (foreign recipients). What I cannot explain is what political situation changed between the 20 February 1944 (date Degrelle received the Knight's Cross) and 27 August 1944 (date Degrelle received the Oak Leaves). Whatever changed here made the German authorities count the Knight's Cross bestowal as a non-foreign award but the Oak Leaves as a foreign award. I hope this helps a little. MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:32, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't agree. Both divisions were foreign Waffen-SS units (as it is reflected by their names). Nationality of the commander doesn't change anything. Officers of the Estonian Division were mostly Estonians. If Degrelle was a foreign recipient, then was Rebane too. DJ Sturm (talk) 14:55, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, this is not for you or me to agree to. The OKW, Fellgiebel and Scherzer treated Degrelle and Rebane according to what I stated. If you think this is wrong, you may be right but the AKCR listed Rebane as the 875th Oak Leaves recipient while they list Degrelle as a foreign recipient. Right or wrong doesn't matter here. MisterBee1966 (talk) 18:26, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Why to make OKW decider here? Mistakes are made everywhere. DJ Sturm (talk) 14:34, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

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Curonian Language

Curonia has its own unique history that's not exactly unform to the rest of Latvia, with all respect Livonians remained more dominant in Curonia, even after 1220 Indo-European influx Finnic speakers remained relatively isolated in the northern tip of Curonia! So lets leave it as Baltic or Finnic, because of the strong Finnic nature of the few linguistic examples found in Curonian history. Cadenas2008 (talk) 03:54, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree, although we should consider Livonians and Curonians separate tribes. It is clear tho, that the evidence supporting the theory of Curonians being Finnic has at least equal weight compared to the evidence suggesting otherwise. DJ Sturm (talk) 19:04, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

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