User talk:Catcollier

Welcome![edit]

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Jo L. Walton[edit]

Hi Cat, to save Jo L. Walton from deletion you'd have to find some mainstream news (broadsheet) or (textbook/biography) book coverage, as that's what counts as confirming notability. I have had a look about the place and can't find anything apart from the very brief Guardian mention that I added. Good luck with it. Span (talk) 23:42, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If these articles are dear to your heart, it might be worth taking a copy for your own records in case they are deleted, for future reference. If they are removed, don't take it personally. Very many writers, musicians, public speakers etc create their own WP biogs for self promotion which doesn't fly here. More criteria detail is given here and here. Best wishes Span (talk) 00:03, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all the work you have done on literary article. Span (talk) 19:52, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

Hey, I removed a lot of the sourcing on the article, as they were ultimately WP:PRIMARY, non usable blog coverage, or WP:TRIVIAL in coverage. Primary sources are unusable as reliable sources regardless of wherever they're posted. If Walton had his work re-posted in a poetry anthology, that's considered to be a primary source. The reprintings alone aren't enough to give notability on their own, so generally speaking it's usually not worth linking to those sites. (You didn't argue for this or do that, but I've seen arguments posed about people's work or a poem getting reprinted a lot, which almost never counts towards notability.) Trivial sources are ones where someone is so briefly mentioned that it can almost never show notability unless it's mentioning that the person won an overwhelmingly notable award. A one off mention in a paper that someone will be attending an event is usually not the type that will show definite notability. Now when it comes to someone attending an event, it's assumed that performers and creators of any type will attend events to raise their visibility and to practice their craft, which is why attending a lot of events as a guest doesn't really show notability either.

The blog sources can't really show notability because in almost all instances the blog isn't run through an editorial board or isn't run through one that we can verify per our guidelines. It's extremely rare that a blog source will be usable to show notability and many of the "blogs" that do pass aren't really considered to be blogs by most people. An example would be the blog of the American Library Association which is technically a blog but is run through such an official source that it doesn't really have a lot of the blogginess that we'd traditionally attribute to them.

In any case, I hope this helps when looking for further sources for Walton. He does pass notability guidelines as far as I'm concerned, but I want to avoid people getting concerned over sourcing and whatnot. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:30, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks Tokyogirl79! It looks a lot tidier anyway :)