User talk:CanaryBot

May 2016[edit]

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "CanaryBot", may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because it contains the suffix "-bot", which is generally reserved for authorized bot accounts. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may file for a change of username, or you may simply create a new account and use that for editing. Thank you. TJH2018 talk 18:53, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@TJH2018: Hi and thank you for the welcome. I have create this account because I have the intention to create a bot to work in the Spanish Wikipedia. I'm testing with PAWS. My intention is develop a basic bot and then request authorization to work in the Spanish Wikipedia, where I (Ivanhercaz) work mainly. If there is any problem with the name I will be very thankful if you can tell how can I solve it. I would like to preserve "CanaryBot" username to the future bot request :/

I hope there isn't problem. I await your response. Regards, CanaryBot (talk) 19:03, 30 May 2016 (UTC) (controlling by Ivanhercaz).[reply]

@CanaryBot: Hi, and thanks for the response. Basically, this wouldn't be the place to test a bot. I recommend going to test.wikipedia.org, which is designed for this type of stuff. Your username will most likely end up getting blocked, though. Sorry for the cofusion! Cheers! TJH2018 talk 19:07, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@TJH2018: But I'm not testing the bot here, I'm making the tests on test.wikipedia.org. The unique action that I have made was sign in to have connected and test with another wikis (using the -simulate parameter). If I have understand you ("Your username will most likely end up getting blocked"), why is probably that my username will blocked? Thanks for your comments and welcome! Regards, CanaryBot (talk) 19:30, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@CanaryBot: Since your username has a -bot suffix and is not being used as a bot account, it could be mistaken as one. TJH2018 talk 19:31, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@TJH2018: Understood. And, is there any way to avoid the block of that account. My intention is to use like a bot in the Spanish Wikipedia so, should I remove that account from the wikis where this bot isn't going to work? Thanks for your help :) CanaryBot (talk) 19:36, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to phone a friend here, just to be sure...Oshwah...TJH2018 talk 19:38, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi CanaryBot and TJH2018! Your account won't be blocked if you go to this page and request a username change (to something like "CanaryTest"). You'll be operating within Wikipedia's guidelines for usernames, and be able to freely use this account for testing. After this is complete, test your bot on the Test Wikipedia; when it's approved, you can then create "CanaryBot" and have it granted the bot flag to be used as one. I appreciate you for speaking with TJH2018, and for being so understanding; it means a lot to the both of us! :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:43, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

All right, everything understood! I'm going to follow your instructions. Thanks to both for your help :D CanaryBot (talk) 19:50, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You bet. Happy editing and happy bot testing to you! You should let me know how it goes! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:05, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Oshwah: Of course! I have one question more. I have made what you said me but I think that I have the basic function that I want for my bot. If I end today I'm going to request the authorization in Spanish Wikipedia. Should I keep the change username request here? CanaryBot (talk) 22:03, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, it shouldn't matter. A global renamer will be able to rename you and it will affect all Wikimedia Sister Projects :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:09, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Okay! I have read carefully the bot policy in Spanish Wikipedia and I'm going to wait some time until I put the final touches on CanaryBot :) When I have everything ready and the authorization I will let you know. Thank you for your help again! CanaryBot (talk) 22:15, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Oshwah and TJH2018: After made the the username change request K6ka gave me the advice of put in the username page the bot template with unapproved status. Now I shouldn't have any problema. Thank you so much to both :D I hope make good contributions with CanaryBot. Regards, CanaryBot (talk) 01:59, 31 May 2016 (UTC) (Ivanhercaz)[reply]

Well, this isn't a bot, so the name can't be accepted. Typically editors make bots, and the bot gets a "bot" name--the editor doesn't. Oshwah, TJH2018, K6ka, I do not believe this was done correctly. Writ Keeper, please help me out here and take the appropriate action. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 15:50, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Drmies - This account first came to my attention while under this name (he created it this way). This is why I told him that he needs to have it changed, since he is clearly not a bot. After he gets his bot approved, he can then create "CanaryBot" to have it flagged as a bot. Did I say something wrong? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:54, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, well, as long as they're not planning on using this account to edit enwiki--and they haven't so far and have given no indication of wanting to do so--we don't need to do anything. Really, they should never have been warned in the first place; that's why there's this line in the username policy: except in extreme cases, it is probably not worth taking action unless the user has made at least one recent edit. They don't need a bot flag here unless they're operating the bot here, and there's no point in renaming this account if they're just going to register another one with the same name. So, nothing needs doing here. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:59, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If I read this talk page correctly, they were planning on running a bot on the Spanish Wikipedia. Usernames are global, so it wouldn't make sense to rename this account solely because it has a bot's name on the English Wikipedia when it's going to run on another wiki. It wouldn't make much sense if someone on another wiki demanded that ClueBot NG get a username change because it had a bot username on their wiki when it is running as an approved bot here. Considering the fact that simply visiting a wiki that you don't have a local account on whilst logged into your global account will cause the local account to be automatically created, it wouldn't make much sense to pounce at these users. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 17:55, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... Well, I'm going to try to understand what it's the "result" of that discussion. The problem is that the username CanaryBot shouldn't be accepted because this account isn't a bot yet. But, if we consider that accounts usernames are global (I mean the same login to all wikis), that username could be wrong even if the bot is authorized in Spanish Wikipedia because the bot isn't an authorized bot in the English Wikipedia. I understand the problem of having "bot" in the username of my future bot, but if I'm going to request an authorization to use it in Wikipedia (either in the Spanish, English or Italian, whatever), I don't understand the whole problem about "bot" in CanaryBot when accounts are globals and when a bot that is working in any wiki can request permissions in another wikis. In the Spanish bots policy the first requirement to create a bot is create another account with the name of the bot and the bot word in the username (then specify that before work with the bot request the authorization but I work in test.wikipedia so I didn't work in any wiki without authorization). Otherwise in the Spanish Wikipedia anyone have said me nothing about it or contemplate that problem.

I don't know if what I'm saying have any sense (I mean the correct sense in the bot and usernames world). My first idea with the CanaryBot is configure it to work mainly in replacement tasks where an semi-automated action could be improve the eficacy and do it fastest. I give you an example of tast that I want to do it: I create the svg version of a flag so I should replace all of this flags in non-svg versions; until now I have made it manually but it's very heavy when I have to change the flag in more than ten (or fifteen, twelve or more) pages; to make this task easiest I would use CanaryBot to search in every page where the non-svg is and then replace by the svg version (it would be an semi-automated task, to confirm that the replacement is doing correctly). So, why I have said it to you? Because in the future I would like to take advantage of the global characteristic of wiki accounts and satisfy the requirements to request an authorization in another wikis (like English Wikipedia or any one) because the image could be use in more that one wiki like everyone knows.

What I have to do now? I don't want to cause any problem with this, but I would like to clarify it because I don't want that CanaryBot account will be blocked. I wait your response (of everyone hehe, that now there is more than four users with this issue). Sorry for the inconvenience caused, I'm sure that we can solve it :D

Regards, and sorry for that nuisance and long message, Ivanhercaz (talk) 21:27, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No nuisance at all! What you say makes perfect sense. There is no problem with the name of CanaryBot; as you say (and I said), global account names will cause bots that operate on the Spanish Wikipedia to have a bot-like name here, too, and that's fine.

The only problem here would be if you were to use the CanaryBot account to make normal-editor type edits, since a lot of people who patrol Recent Changes will instinctively ignore edits that look like they're coming from a bot (even if they're not flagged that way). But of course, that's *not* what you're doing, so there shouldn't be any issue. So, I'd say just don't worry about it and do your thing; we don't need to block you, and you don't need to do anything else here. Cheers! :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:53, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Writ Keeper: Okay! So everything is solved. Don't worry because I'm not going to make any edits here until that I request an authorization in this wiki. At this moment I'm going to continue the developing and request the authorization in the Spanish Wikipedia, therefore there is a long way to go :)

Thank you to everyone! See you in the wikis!

Regards, Ivanhercaz (talk) 15:42, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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