User talk:Birtig

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February 2018

This is the second time (first time) you have reverted challenged material without discussion on the talk page, in clear violation of the discretionary sanctions alert you previously received. Please self-revert your violation immediately. If you feel strongly about using Wikipedia's voice to call undocumented immigrants "illegal", please start a talk page discussion and seek a consensus. -- Scjessey (talk) 16:22, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Trump racial views

Hello Birtig.

I see that you added the word "only" with the edit summary that you felt it did not change the meaning of the text. This is a very sensitive article and nearly all the text has been much-debated. In this case, I believe that this addition of "only" does indeed change the meaning of the text by shifting the emphasis. I'd like to ask you please to revert your edit and -- if this is important to you -- please to seek consensus on the article talk page for this edit. Thanks! SPECIFICO talk 15:05, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Bun-sgoil Ghàidhlig Phort Righ

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Immigration policy of Donald Trump

Please explain why you should not be sanctioned for violating consensus-required as detailed by Scjessey here. You've had the appropriate warnings and notifications. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:06, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Apologies. My edits have all been intended to be constructive. The article is about the 'Immigration Policy of Donald Trump' so it appeared helpful, when I came across the bit referring to the period 2009 to 2014, to clarify that this was not related to Trump's presidency. I don't understand how that is pushing a point of view - it appeared to me to be simply adding helpful, and factual, information. I later tried to help improve the article by helping to explain the 'zero tolerance' policy: the key change is that all those who cross illegally are now detained and prosecuted. Why that clarification is not helpful is beyond me. I do apologise for adding the same detail - about the period 2009 to 2014 being under Obama's presidency - because I didn't realise it was the same article that I had already added the detail to (it didn't occur that it would have been deleted as I assumed it was helpful and factual clarification.) I have also edited some of the articles relating to Crimea and it is quite common for similar information to appear in different articles so I sometime add the same edit in more than one article. I thought something similar had happened here as I didn't think my change would be objected to. Anyway, I can only apologise: punish me in whatever way you think fair and I will accept it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Birtig (talk • contribs) 22:28, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

All right. Just be extra careful when you edit these articles. Sooner or later (sooner, probably) violating editing restrictions is going to get you sanctioned even if the violation is inadvertent. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:11, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate your understanding. I will try to be more careful.Birtig (talk • contribs)

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A cup of tea for you!

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I want to thank you for creating Angel Families. I just discovered that page, and the list of names. Have you thought about creating a page on the Murder of Christy Sue Piña? E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:31, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Revision on First Liberty Institute Article

Hi Birtig, I am reaching out to you to talk about the First Liberty Institute article.

Can you re-attempt an action you made on 18:45, 25 December 2018 regarding removing the label: Organizations that oppose LGBT rights in the United States?

Birtig talk contribs‎ 17,891 bytes -72‎ reverted as this is not the organization's agenda, which is to defend 'religious liberty' even if that should clash with 'LGBT rights' undothank Tag: Undo

It looks like the tag is still on the article. Thank you. Let me know if you need anything. TheLibertyWriter (talk) 20:44, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Why are you removing legitimate edits and also source material from talk pages? (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:43, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

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Please undo your latest edits and discuss your concerns on the article talk page.

SPECIFICO talk 20:18, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

I've done as you ask. Sorry. Birtig (talk) 22:30, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

That's good. You can be sure that others will try to consider your views, even if they are not ultimately accepted there. SPECIFICO talk 00:39, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

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User:Grayfell

Hi there,

I've noticed that you've become embroiled in a rather contrived argument about whether or not it is okay to refer to people who have illegally immigrated as illegal immigrants. I am currently stuck in a similar debate over the meaning of the word "man". The user who started these debates is User:Grayfell, and they have a long history of attempting to enforce the use of their preferred terminology.

During the course of your debate, they made the statement: "I think it might be worth starting a more centralized discussion on this terminology." This implies that they intend to embark on a coordinated effort to whitewash Wikipedia to suit their agenda.

That's a very ominous proposition in my opinion. What are your thoughts on this?

BoiledAlaska (talk) 02:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

While I appreciate the ping to notify me of this discussion, I think both of you should consider WP:CANVASS very carefully before continuing with this. Grayfell (talk) 02:11, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Grayfell, that is exactly what I am trying to prevent: This entire conversation is about your comment: "I think it might be worth starting a more centralized discussion on this terminology.". It sounds like you are trying to recruit like-minded people to your cause.

Hi BoiledAlaska, like you, I 100% support the consensus building approach that Wikipedia uses to resolve disputes and think that all editors need to accept that building consensus to make significant changes may be a very long process and may not result in their preferred outcome. That said, every editor is entitled to make changes and, if reverted, to seek to persuade other editors so that a consensus may be build for the change they propose. So long as editors accept that change requires consensus, those attempts are not disruptive. Have a good day :) Birtig (talk) 16:43, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. I have noticed an uptick in users pushing their preferred definitions of words on to articles, sometimes to tar public figures such as TenNapel, and other times to whitewash crimes that they happen to approve of. I suspect Grayfell is part of coordinated effort to push their particular views on to Wikipedia in this way, as he implied in the comment above.

Please let me know if you see any more evidence of this, and I will keep my eye out also.

BoiledAlaska (talk) 09:09, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@BoiledAlaska: Nothing about my comment justifies conspiracy theories against me. Do not cast aspersion against other editors. As I said on the article's talk page, if you think you have evidence that my behavior is inappropriate, take it to a noticeboard such as WP:AN/I. Grayfell (talk) 19:13, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

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