User talk:Accurate account seeker

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Please review the pages and discuss this further on the article talk page. Thank you. Spanglej (talk) 22:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Accurate account seeker, Thank you for your description of the controversy behind the script for the The Illusionist (2010 film) on its talk page. In the interests in NPOV and understanding that WP cannot take a side, I suggest this version of Motives for the script - re-titling the section Controversy behind the script.

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Controversy has dogged the The Illusionist . Given the lack of conclusive evidence, speculation circulates as to who inspired Tati's script. The Guardian reports "In 2000, the screenplay was handed over to Chomet by Tati's daughter, Sophie, two years before her death. Now, however, the family of Tati's illegitimate and estranged eldest child, Helga Marie-Jeanne Schiel, who lives in the north-east of England, are calling for the French director to give her credit as the true inspiration for the film. The script of the L'illusionniste, they say, was Tati's response to the shame of having abandoned his first child [Schiel] and it remains the only public recognition of her existence. They accuse Chomet of attempting to airbrush out their painful family legacy again."

ref>"Jacques Tati's lost film reveals family's pain" The Guardian</ref

ref>"Jacques Tatis ode to his illegitimate daughter". Samuel, Henry 2010-06-16 Daily Telegraph</ref

Chomet is among those of a different opinion about the film's origins although aknowledging: "I never got to meet Sophie, or even speak to her about the script." Chomet said, "I think Tati wrote the script for Sophie Tatischeff. I think he felt guilty that he spent too long away from his daughter when he was working."

In a June 2010 interview for The National, Chomet gave his personal reasons for his attraction to the script: "I have two young children, a four-year-old and a two-year-old. But I also have a daughter who is 17 who I don’t live with because I separated from her mother. She was 12 when I started the project and you can feel things changing." This appears to mirror the regret of a broken paternal relationship that Tati had with his own daughter Helga Marie-Jeanne Schiel. Of the story, Chomet commented that he "fully understood why he (Jacques Tati) had not brought it (The Illusionist) to the screen. It was too close to him, and spoke of things he knew only too well, preferring to hide behind the figure of Monsieur Hulot".

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This cites and quotes fully from the newspaper (a solid third party source) without making an argument, without trying to convince anyone of anything, keeping a neutral point of view. There is no conclusive evidence. It is for the families to take legal action against Chomet and pursue the case, if they wish. Wikipedia is no place for soapboxing. WP list soapboxing as including opinion pieces, gossip or opinion pieces. I do think that saying more than what I've written gets perilously close to making a stand.

I suspect that if the issue is pushed too hard you may be seen to be insisting on changes without consensus. If you make multiple reverts, without discussion, I think you maybe seen as disruptive to the article and run the risk of being blocked, which benefits nobody. This applies, as I understand it, to the Jacque Tati article also - just as to any other WP article.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the version. Best wishes Spanglej (talk) 23:34, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I was not sure where to respond, but I did at the the article talk page. Superp (talk) 09:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Citing the family debates in the articles as suggested on the talk page seems a good compromise. Best wishes Spanglej (talk) 19:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

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