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A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Thank you for everything. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:11, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Hat tip

--Floquenbeam (talk) 14:48, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Same. Sad we are all at this stage. Wikipedia used to be a great big, happy (usually) dysfunctional family, until the stepparents showed up. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 14:54, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Dammit. :( Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm hoping you can find true happiness IRL 28. You're good people, and so many good people have taken hits on this hill. — Ched :  ?  — 15:19, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

I don't think I've ever interacted with you directly, but I have always found your bureaucratic work quite sound and I will definitely miss having you around. Thank you! -- Dolotta (talk) 17:28, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

  • This day extracts a heavy toll. –xenotalk 17:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • 😢 Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:58, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Die Fliege
June
cornflowers

blue blues song without words, but understand (better than last time) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Impact

Impact
Thank you for your impact
moving like this:
defend the values
of the comminity,
trusting people!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:04, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Alright, more beers for everyone. Thank you for all you've done for our beautiful project. Drmies (talk) 14:58, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2019

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:19, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Mentioned you

Just in passing. [1]. As you suggest, something is wrong. Jehochman Talk 17:11, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. If the committee accepts a case about BLP-violating defamatory smears and the person who wrote those smears and provided them to the Signpost to publish is not only not named as a party but is allowed to participate in the case as an impartial bystander... well, let's just say I hope the committee has more sense than to do that. 28bytes (talk) 17:36, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Woohoo

Wishing 28bytes a very happy bureaucratship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Mjs1991 (talk) 06:50, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
August
red admiral
... with thanks from QAI

Woohoo that you are around! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

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ARC

Re this load of rambling nonsense. Firstly, have the decency to ping me rather than slag me off behind my back. Secondly, had I of not brought it to AN, I would predict that we would've still ended up at ARC as Eric, I'm sure, would've retaliated; I have been supported in this by Bishonen and SlimVirgin, as I'm sure I have by a few others. Thirdly, how do you know what I was thinking when I posted at AN? I did it because I saw someone who I respected and like being baited into making an "uncivil" comment. Sure, Eric attracts drama, everyone knows that, but why should that not allow him to be protected at AN from trolling comments like the ones we saw from Scottywong? Lastly the ARC was started by MJL, not on the back of the AN thread, but on the back of previous incidents. I started the AN case because it's not fucking right that people like Scottywong - AN ADMIN, god help us - can go around making inflammatory comments to people who they know through previous experience, may flare up and retaliate. Finally, have a great night. CassiantoTalk 21:02, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I am actually with you for most of that. Where we differ is in how MJL should be treated for doing essentially what you did: filing a report in good faith that nonetheless resulted in things escalating unpleasantly. I think MJL ought to be left alone. And if the case request is declined, as it looks like it's going to be, and neither of you get any sort of admonishment, that's fine by me. You have a great night too. 28bytes (talk) 22:43, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
I was upset at your comment yesterday, so I apologise if I came across as a bit narked. This bloody case has gone from being about Eric, to EEng, to me, to now everybody who's ever commented there. It's a farce, and the Arbs haven't a clue how to deal with it. I attribute that to an array of things: an extremely poor application, the fact Eric hasn't done anything wrong, a biased committee, and creepy crawlies coming out of the woodwork to grind previously held axes. I don't get the call, 28bytes, to have me dealt with for essentially trying to protect Eric, and MJL not dealt with for "naively" creating a case with no evidence whatsoever. They are two very separate reports. Yes, "I've been round the block long enough to know anything to do with Eric is going to create drama", but that is not a reason to ignore the incivility, trolling and baiting by others towards him. MJL, it is evident, jumped on my bandwagon and turned what was a case about Scottywong's baiting towards Eric to Eric himself with Scottywong now being lost in the crowd. Oh, and on a side note, I respect you hugely for handing your tools in re the Framban. Best regards CassiantoTalk 06:42, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, Cassianto, for the kind words. Apology not needed, but accepted nonetheless. I completely see where you are coming from, and after sleeping on it a bit I've struck that part of my comment from the case request page. It did not really fit with the main point I was trying to make regarding MJL. Cheers, 28bytes (talk) 11:48, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Arbcom

Yes, Arbcom is a shitty job that I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy. Yes, you need to run for it in 2019. I've had it to the gills with sycophants and ding-dongs. Please give it some thought. best, —tim /// Carrite (talk) 04:51, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

I'd support you, "the best arbitraztor Wikipedia didn't have" (NYB) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:47, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Just the other day my wife was telling me how glad she was that I didn't spend 2014-2015 on the committee. If that's not a "sign from above" I don't know what is. :) But thank you both for the vote of confidence. It will certainly be interesting to see who puts their hats in the ring. 28bytes (talk) 11:05, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Pleased of course to hear about anyone listening to women ;) - how about abolishing arbcom, and instead fine-tuning other means of dispute settling and mediation, a little more visible and in reach to the community. See my talk, look fo "frustra", but don't miss the gorgeous music on the top right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2019

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:36, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Net effect

I think that ArbCom has greatly increased feelings of hostility, and that we are not about to see a sudden improvement in civility. With so many eyes on Fram all they needed to do was issue an admonishment and see if he improved. If not, he would be dragged back to arbitration soon and they could deal with it cleanly. Jehochman Talk 18:21, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

I can't disagree with any of that. 28bytes (talk) 18:44, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:54, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

That unintentional rollback thingie

Hi, User:28bytes, I've also had problems with unintentional rollbacks, as you discussed here with Ymblanter; in my case, almost entirely through fat-finger errors while mobile. But I can't tell from your code whether this just blanks the fields while mobile (is that what the 'm' of 'mw' means there?) or in every mode. Would you mind adding a couple of lines of // comments at the top saying what it does (and doesn't) do, so that we code-stealers won't be at risk of doing the wrong thing when we grab the code?

Also, can you explain why the watchlist class is in there as well, if mitigating unintentional rollbacks was your goal? I think I just want the suppress-rollback line, but are they both needed for some reason? I actually do look at my watchlist while mobile, so would want to keep it. If it's too close to something, could the watchlist class generate extra margin or padding or something, or some ::before-generated white space, to give more separation for fat fingers? Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 19:17, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

I only tried it on laptop (desktop version), it removes the rollback button in the watchlist (where you have the highest chance to misclick) but leaves it everywhere else such as page histories or user contributions.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:47, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi Mathglot. I took a peek through my contributions history and it looks this is where I got it. As for how it works, I'm afraid I haven't dug into it enough to usefully comment. I mostly use desktop view on my phone to edit, if that helps. 28bytes (talk) 23:50, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. Yes, I use desktop view almost exclusively, which is likely why I get the fat-finger errors in the first place. Mathglot (talk) 04:49, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2019

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Comment, not necessarily position

Some bureaucrats might comment in a strictly bureaucratic capacity, in which case they might remain impartial going into a bureaucrat chat. Your bold edit may require additional clarification. I agree that any S/O/N should trigger a recusal. (Feel free to shuffle to the WT: page) –xenotalk 13:41, 14 November 2019 (UTC) (Done in Special:Diff/926139710)

That's reasonable. Feel free to tweak it to suit. 28bytes (talk) 13:44, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

← Unrelated - have you considered joining the ranks of non-admin bureaucrats? –xenotalk 13:49, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Heh, that would be like wearing the same dress to the prom, no? Incidentally, if you end up 'cratting for another 5 years and then decide to get the admin bit back, I think at that point you'd have to rerun RfA... as a 'crat. That would be interesting. 28bytes (talk) 14:42, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
No, certainly not. In fact I think non-admin bureaucrats have a useful role to serve in implementing the 2015 request from the community for bureaucrats to take a more active clerking role at RfX.

I don't think it's possible through passage of time to make myself ineligible for reinstatement; the 5-year rule has a prequisite: and the removal was for inactivity. –xenotalk 14:45, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Interesting. So theoretically I could fix a typo every couple months and then request my bit back in 2037? 28bytes (talk) 14:52, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
If you want to subject yourself to the bureaucrats' discerning eye, yes (assuming nothing else changes). –xenotalk 15:39, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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Happy First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day!

Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 20:53, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! 28bytes (talk) 23:32, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Cheers

Damon Runyon's short story "Dancing Dan's Christmas" is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the hot Tom and Jerry

This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true.

No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well 28. MarnetteD|Talk 19:44, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Best wishes to you too! Cheers, 28bytes (talk) 19:47, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the return good wishes :-) MarnetteD|Talk 19:56, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Be well at Christmas

Have a WikiChristmas and a PediaNewYear

I've long seen you as a voice of reason. When will you pick up the tools again? Be well. Keep well. Have a lovely Christmas. SilkTork (talk) 16:39, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you SilkTork for the kind words and Christmas wishes. I hope you have a lovely Christmas as well. 28bytes (talk) 19:02, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!


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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too! 28bytes (talk) 15:21, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary

Precious
Eight years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:15, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

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Request for review

Hi revi! I would like to request you for reviewing my draft page Epos 257 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Epos_257). I know that it was already reviewed and unfortunately declined, nevertheless I have rewritten it and I would like to ask you very much to check the article if at least a little possible...Thank you very much! Regards Jiří Jiří Gruber (talk) 11:39, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Jiří. I am not Revi; are you looking for -revi? Anyway, I am not familiar with the subject matter and would not be much help in addressing the issues the reviewer brought up, I'm afraid. Sorry. 28bytes (talk) 14:17, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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