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Adoption: Mark II!

Hello there, and it's great to meet you! In lieu of Cremepuff, I was wondering if you'd like me to take you under my wing. I've been here at Wikipedia for about 2 years now, though I spent a few months in hibernation recently. I primarily fight vandalism, though I also work on improving articles, with the main goal being attaining Featured Article status. Anyway, if you're interested, my talk page is always open. Cheers, and have a great Wikiday, Master of Puppets Care to share? 02:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem, and thanks for the smile. :) Anyway, about questions; feel free to ask them on my talk page or yours. Whichever is most convenient for you is fine with me. Cheers, Master of Puppets Care to share? 13:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I'll ask on my talk page to avoid clutter on your page. Thanks! Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 04:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good. Master of Puppets Care to share? 04:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Questions

I might think of more later, but this should do for now. Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 05:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

CSD

  • Does it matter whether a page is marked nonsense or vandalism? I've seen other editors mark things like 'X is gay' nonsense when I consider it vandalism or a personal attack.
That is confusing indeed. I usually tag stuff as "in 3 days giant turtlez wil poop eggs on America and Jacob will rule the world! ps bob is stupid" as nonsense; generally, anything incomprehensible with no salvageable content is nonsense (this doesn't count poorly worded articles who are trying to be constructive, though). Most nonsense articles are tests. Heavily profane articles which spend quite a bit of time insulting someone or something are vandalism, as they are deliberately defacing Wikipedia. Also, articles that are created under the names of common misspellings of words but are also filled with foul language/images should be tagged as vandalism.
So in a nutshell; if it is blatantly trying to malevolently disrupt the encyclopedia, it is vandalism. If it is just gibberish, it is nonsense.
  • How long should I wait before tagging a page for speedy deletion?
Well, first you should take into consideration the content. If it says 'Kirk is a fag' then just tag it; it is extremely unlikely an editor with the intention of creating a comprehensive article would start it out like that. If it seems like a legitimate article that is not vain or an advertisement, I'd suggest waiting a day. If the editor does not improve it further by then, leave a message on their talk page. If they do not respond to that, then tag it; there's always the {{hangon}} template, after all. Usually you're best off using common sense.


  • What is the borderline between 'no context' and 'stub'?
Depends on the material in question. If the person is not very notable; for example, a member of the 1998 high school championship basketball team of Milwaukee; it is generally considered no context, as there is not much that can be written about the subject. An architect who designed a very historically important building, on the other hand, may be given a stub. This is mainly common sense, as above.

Blanking

  • What is an acceptable amount of text to remove from an article (that is, what is the borderline of blanking)?
There isn't really such a thing as blanking if a good reason is provided. Trimming redun

dant sections of articles sometimes removes as many as 15,000 words from them. Blanking is usually constituted by removing text which is essential to the article without reason or providing an alternative that is more efficient.

Vandalism warnings

  • If an editor had a previous ban and keeps on vandalising/blanking etc., should I start from user warning level 1 or should I start from 2?
That depends. If it is an IP, it is possible that it is not the same user; most institutions such as schools and businesses share the same IP address, and even some private citizens have a dynamic IP which changes every so often. So, for IPs, it is safe to start at the first level. However, if the IP is vandalizing in the same style as it did before; for example, if it has a consistent pattern of adding "Kyle is ghey" to pages or talking about someone named Kyle, it is safe to assume that the person is still the same. For accounts, warning level 2 is appropriate. Oh, and this is unrelated, but if an editor who previously vandalized edits a page in good faith, always try to look past the past vandalism. For example, trying to talk about how Furby was popular but doing it incorrectly should be seen as good faith and not vandalism. I'm telling you this because I've seen many editors revert others primarily because they had vandalized previously.


I hope those help! If you have any further questions, I'll be watching this page. :) Cheers, Master of Puppets Care to share? 05:34, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thanks. :) Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 06:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
No problem, I'm happy to be able to help. If you think of anything else, feel free to bring it up. Cheers, Master of Puppets Care to share? 20:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

One additional question

  • If, in the edit summary, the editor says 'Will work on' or something like that, can I add a {{underconstruction}} template? Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 21:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
That's a good question; I'm not sure if there's really any consensus on that. Personally, I would ask the user before doing so; underconstruction templates are usually added only for major revamps of the article, so if the user only intends to fix a few more typos then there isn't really any need for the template. Master of Puppets Care to share? 21:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah, okay. So, a better alternative would probably be a stub tag, then. Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 21:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, you were talking about new pages? I was talking about existing material, haha. For a new page, again, it depends on how much they're going to add. But yes, if they plan on adding one sentence to a three-sentence article, stub it. Master of Puppets Care to share? 21:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Alright. Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 21:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, look here: Eagle Club Group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emma44 (talk • contribs) 08:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I think maybe since you have been warned you should probably stop re-creating the page... Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 05:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

(Auto)-<main:Email Please!:main>-(Auto)

Could you please have a valid email, or allow other user's to email you, Thank you!--AutoMatTicCheKer (talk) 13:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC) ```Please do not reply to this message```):-

Thanks for the barnstar!

Hi Midorihana,
Thanks a lot for the barnstar and the compliments :-) --Fir0002 10:58, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 03:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Question

I don't need to provide an email, right? Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 03:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

No, it isn't required. However, most people would recommend it to you, as it makes you more accessible. You don't have to worry about privacy, as Wikipedia won't give it out. Also, if someone wants to email you, they won't be able to tell what your email is; the only way someone else can find out is if you reply to one of their emails or send one to them. Otherwise it stays hidden. Master of Puppets Care to share? 05:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I was just wondering, due to the message above. Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 06:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Hmm... the way that is formatted is very suspicious. I'm highly doubtful that that came from any official source. Just don't add your email to your userspace; set it in your preferences. Master of Puppets Care to share? 06:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I agree, I thought it all very strange. And the only edit that account has done was to this talk page. Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 06:19, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I'll keep a watch on that user, just in case... Cheers, Master of Puppets Care to share? 06:34, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 06:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
...in exchange for five billion barnstars. Just kidding! :D Master of Puppets Care to share? 06:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Five billion barnstars wouldn't fit very well on your talk page...I'd bet that'll cause someone's browser to crash :) Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 06:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Somewhere in the world right now, a computer crashed just as you said that. Creepy, eh? I know, I know, probability... I fail to grasp simple grade 3 concepts) Master of Puppets Care to share? 06:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

←What a coincedence, really... Maybe I have special 'premonition' powers or something? No, of course not, but I can pretend. :) Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 06:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Aww, well thank you for the barnstar! And its no trouble at all answering your questions; I'm glad I can ease the learning curve. Cheers, Master of Puppets Care to share? 06:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
You're quite welcome! Sometimes learning all the policies on Wikipedia takes quite a bit of work, although having someone help alliviates it  :) Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 06:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'll do what I can, and I'll keep watching this page for questions. Master of Puppets Care to share? 07:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Ed. review and vandalism

I added your editor review to the main editor review page (I'm assuming you forgot to); I then reviewed you and gave you a few questions to answer; they're optional, you don't have to. Also, for those nifty vandal tools, see User:Lupin/Anti-vandal tool. Cheers! Master of Puppets Care to share? 21:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I thought that the editor review request would pop up automatically on the main page (oops), thanks! Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 05:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I also answered your questions as well. Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 06:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good. However, I have some tips; again, these are optional, as your answers are your opinion. I just have a few suggestions.

1. An anonymous (IP) editor adds the text "jesus walkd among the lepers nd tehy were happy. this can b a metafor for some1 who makes freinds wit soshal outcasts" to the Leprosy article. What action do you take?

If the editor just joined Wikipedia, I would revert and add the welcome vandal template to his/her talk page. If the editor is a repeat vandal, I would add the appropiate level warning.

2. You revert a user's edit to an article; the user is claiming that the moon is actually a holographic projection, set up by communists who have a base on the Eiffel tower. After this, you notice the user showing up a lot on your watchlist; every article that you visit, he or she makes some changes to, often disrupting dates or names. What do you do?

I would ask, at first, to not add that information; then, I would warn with the user-warning templates. If he/she made a lot of disruptive edits I would report them to AIV.

3. A user who has added some uncited text to a school page claims to be the school's IT director, and threatens to sue you for slander and libel for reverting his edits. What do you do?

I would remind the user about Wikipedia:No legal threats and Wikipedia:Assume good faith. I would then try to talk to the user as calmly as possible and help resolve those issues without any legal action.

For the first one, you'd be safe assuming good faith; the user may just be trying to improve the article by listing a metaphor. Sometimes users with poor english try to add to the Wiki and get marked as vandals; always try to look at all the possibilities, and, if the edit is salvageable, try to help the user make it fit.

For the second and third ones, excellent answers. Master of Puppets Care to share? 06:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Hm...those cases (like the one in the first question) are always the toughest, eh? I guess it should always be safe to assume good faith with edits like that. Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 06:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Lupin's anti-vandal tool is good too, thanks for the link. Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 03:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Really, really bad haiku from a new admin

Setting new lows in thank-you spam:

Midorihana, thanks for your support in my recent RfA and good luck in your editor review.
--A. B. (talk) 22:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Javascript question

Er, do you know how to make the popup work? 

importScript("User:Lupin/recent2.js");
// User:Lupin/popups.js
importScript('User:Lupin/popups.js');

That's so far what I have in my file, and it doesn't work. I don't know much Javascript... Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 05:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Did you delete your cache? If not, what browser are you using? Master of Puppets Care to share? 06:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Internet Explorer, the latest version. Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 06:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Ok, so go to your monobook, press and hold the Ctrl key, then press the F5 key. This clears your cache and forces the browser to reload all material on the page, which should make popups work. To test that just go to the main page and hover your mouse over any blue link. Master of Puppets Care to share? 06:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
It still doesn't work, unfortunately...it might be because of the extra script (the importScript("User:Lupin/recent2.js");). Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 07:27, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, never mind. Now it works, thanks. Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 07:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Rollback question

If I make a mistake when I click the rollback button, would it be acceptable to revert my own edit(s)? Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 06:22, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I was working an eight hour shift. Yes, you may revert yourself. Master of Puppets Care to share? 22:35, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, just seeing if it was acceptable. Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 23:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Question concerning POV

I've read WP:NPOV, and I wondered how you would write about a book which had a 'point-of-view'. The book in question is about evolution and how ID isn't science, just religion in disguise. Would a good idea be to have a section for content, then a section for 'reviews' or something? Thanks-- Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 21:48, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, for content you would just say "The book is divided into chapters discussing how blah blah...". Obviously, you're just providing a plot summary. Reviews or critical reception sounds like a good idea. I'm not too experienced in this department, so I'll come back tomorrow and look into it further. Sorry! Master of Puppets Care to share? 07:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

P.S. thanks for the Photoshop comment! :) And happy holidays! Master of Puppets Care to share? 07:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! I guess if I rephrased my question, it would be like, "How could I make it so that the tone of the article does not sound like it supports or doesn't support the book in question?". Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 07:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex should be a good article to base off of. You just have to present the book without agreeing or disagreeing with it. Master of Puppets Care to share? 21:07, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah, okay, thanks. Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 21:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

Wow, thanks! My first barnstar! --Slartibartfast1992 00:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks too! Marlith T/C 02:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome! Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 02:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and happy holidays to you too! (I didn't want to clog your user talk with another holiday card).--Slartibartfast1992 01:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't mind, you have the right to put a holiday card on my talk if I put one on yours :) Cheers, Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 01:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Your delivery

Here is your delivery:

<div style="padding: 5px; background:#008000; border-style: solid; border-width: 2px; border-color:#960018; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 100%; "> <center> <div style="margin-top: 3px; padding-top: 9px; padding-bottom: 9px; padding-left: 9px; padding-right: 9px; width: 400px; float: center;">[[Image:Rockefeller Center Tree.jpg|80px]]</div> </center> <div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="padding: 0px; border-style: none; font-size: 100%;"> <div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="padding: 0px; border-style: none;"> <div class="NavHead" style="background: #960018; text-align: center;"><span style="color:#000000">Open your card >> >> >></span></div> <div class="NavContent" style="text-align: center;"> <span style="color:#000000"><big>Happy Holidays! [[User:Vintei/shop#E-cards|Send a E-card to someone else]]</big> <small>Credits: This card was inspired by [[User:Macys123|Macy's]][[User talk:Macys123|123]], assistant of [[User:Vintei/shop|V's Shop]] </small></span></span></div></div></div></div>

which would produce:

Thank you for ordering from V's Place! Have fun! Macy's123 02:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Note to self: changed code to <div style="padding: 5px; background:#008000; border-style: solid; border-width: 2px; border-color:#960018; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 100%; "> <center> <div style="margin-top: 3px; padding-top: 9px; padding-bottom: 9px; padding-left: 9px; padding-right: 9px; width: 400px; float: center;">[[Image:Rockefeller Center Tree.jpg|80px]]</div> </center> <div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="padding: 0px; border-style: none; font-size: 100%;"> <div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="padding: 0px; border-style: none;"> <div class="NavHead" style="background: #960018; text-align: center;"><span style="color:#000000">Happy Holidays and >> >> >></span></div> <div class="NavContent" style="text-align: center;"> <span style="color:#000000"><big>Have a great time editing! Cheers! <br />[[User:Vintei/shop#E-cards|Send a E-card to someone else]]</big> <br /><small>Credits: This card was inspired by [[User:Macys123|Macy's]][[User talk:Macys123|123]], assistant of [[User:Vintei/shop|V's Shop]] </small></span></span></div></div></div></div> <small>-- ~~~~ </small>

Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 04:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Marlith T/C 02:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

AIV question

I'm not too sure if the answer to this is obvious or not, but when I report a user to AIV should I warn them on their talk page? Thanks—Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 23:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

No. You're reporting them to AIV because they've been warned adequately and are misbehaving regardless of warnings, it would be a bit redundant to warn them that an admin is coming to block them. Master of Puppets Care to share? 00:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay; just thought I'd ask because I've seen an editor doing that. Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 00:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Strange. It isn't unacceptable, just unnecessary. Master of Puppets Care to share? 01:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah. Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 01:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
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