User:RenamedUser jaskldjslak901/Archive17

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Re: Adminship?[edit]

I always see your excellent work with images and fair use and I'm wondering if I could nominate you for adminship as you clearly need the tools. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 00:38, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

If you feel I could become more helpful as an Admin, and believe there will be others to support your opinion, I would be more than honored to take this responsability. --Abu Badali 04:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok I would create your nom tommorrow night. Jaranda wat's sup 05:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


The RFA questions need to be answered before I place the RFA in the WP:RFA page. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 20:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm working on them right now. Thanks for the support, and sorry for the delay! --Abu Badali 21:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
You may want to move the answer of question number 1 to questions number 2 or 3 and rather explain on what are you planning to use the tools instead of explaining how you got the free images and the Carmen Electra dispute to number 3, as you will likely get some oppose votes if you don't. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 21:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Duh! That was supposed to be the answer to question #2! --Abu Badali 04:24, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
It's ready! You may move it to WP:RFA now. thanks. By the way... is that Ending date for real? --Abu Badali 00:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Also can you stop asking other people to vote for your RFA in people talk pages as it's considered as bad form here and will get you oppose votes. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 05:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
        • Sorry about that. I have seen that sometimes and I though it was common pratice. I was carefully selecting those who I was messaging, though. I'll stop now. Thanks for the notice. --Abu Badali 10:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


Result[edit]

Thanks again for giving me that much credit. The RfA is now closed as unsussecfull. I'll keep working with images as I did before. The only frustating thing about that all was not getting one single user to put diffs showing my "confrotational attitude". --Abu Badali 20:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

You've got a Thank you card![edit]

RYULONG[edit]

So what's the deal? Is what he's saying true? Is he a vandal? Liar? Nutcase? AdamBiswanger1 20:00, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

A sock of a blocked user, keeps spamming an whole bunch of talk pages. Just vandalism Jaranda wat's sup 20:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[1] I'll let this guy post on my talk page - It's actually funny reading his long diatribes. WhisperToMe 20:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Yourcousin used a personal attack when he added back his diatribe to my page. He said "(repasting page deleted by cunt)" - I may block him for evading a block :) WhisperToMe 20:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The blocked user rambled on and on. I don't see why it's amusing. If he or she kept it concise and less wordy, it might be. Anomo 22:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Trucks[edit]

My prods all got removed, so I've sent one truck to afd as a test case. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Archnaphobia (truck) if you are interested. --Aoratos 23:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Tropical cyclones WikiProject Newsletter #3[edit]

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Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll[edit]

As you've expressed interest in highway naming conventions, you may be interested in this dog and pony show. --SPUI (T - C) 01:30, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

205.188.0.0/16, Vandalbot, etc..[edit]

Just a request, but is it possible to include a diff in a blocking summary? I only ask because when i hit an AOL block I usually make an effort to look up the history of that IP to find out why the block is there, since obviously non sysops can't see the edit history of an IP range, it leaves users hit by the block some what in the dark, a diff showing the Vandalbot in action would probably soften the blow for people affected by the block, since it would allow them to know why--152.163.100.196 05:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's possible to show an dif in a block summarry. The recent vandalbots are from bad user creation names from the same vandal that are being created by the hundreds every day like User:Johnny Knight Beheaded Jaranda with his Silver Sword, User:HAHA SPAM and many simlar names. Someone needs to call and ban his AOL account as I'm tired of those usernames being created as you can tell by the recent block summarries I did. [2] and a few checkusers proofs that it's from AOL. Jaranda wat's sup 05:24, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Supposedly AOL is planning to finally use XFF headers again, which means it might finally be possible to match an IP with a specific account. Whether or not they actually get around to doing it is another story.--152.163.100.196 05:32, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Impersonators of Jaranda[edit]

Crikey, I have no idea what it is that you are doing that is stirring up someone's passions to this extent, but it seems to be working! Keep up the anti-vandal efforts, that's what we all do one way or another. Don't ever feel disheartened by it as they are only anonymous cowards with nothing useful to contribute, entirely the opposite of you. Regards,  (aeropagitica)   (talk)    22:02, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Abu badali[edit]

To be frank, I am nto happy about your aggressive stance at RfA/Abu badali. I think you oughtta lay off a bit - all of us wikipedians are opinionated enough, and it's unlikely that anyone will change their vote in response to bullying from the nominator. Respectfully, - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The Vandal Has Decided to QUIT[edit]

I am the infamous Johnny Knight, as you may know. Well, I used to make legitimate, albeit minor, anonymous edits for a while using AOL, until I saw the article about myg0t, it made me laugh my socks off. Then, I saw it get deleted and the discussion page got deleted too. Then I thought "I MUST EXACT MY REVENGE!!!" So, I created account after account, realizing how fun it was to troll Wikipedia and antagonize admins like you, SV, Shanel, Pilotguy, DakotaKahn, etc. I actually made very few vandalous edits (<10?) But ended up creating about 500 accounts with crazy usernames. I actually don't support Nazism, but just made those usernames to troll with. I did not use ANY bots, entirely by hand, courtesy of AOL. I created various identities, such as Johnny Knight, SPAM-MAN, Dr. Destructo, admin-attacking names, etc. And I observed the anger and then I thought: this is so fucking fun! I got over 100000 IP addresses blocked (205.188.0.0/16 and 64 something /16) Tonight, I was going outside to take out the trash, when I heard this ghastly moaning sound coming from my backyard. Naturally, I was curious, so I walked over there................and MY WORST FEARS WERE REALIZED, I saw this teenage girl, a complete stranger, giving birth alone to an extremely deformed baby in my backyard. The girl died shortly thereafter from excessive bleeding (hemorrhage). I ran to the house, got my mom and called 911! The girl was pronounced dead at the scene by the 911 people. Anyway, then I thought, maybe I'll troll Wikipedia some more to ease the fears so I could go to bed, but I checked your user talk page, since I had been trolling you and Wikipedia for about a week. I saw I had become a bit [in]famous, but then I read about how AOL might put in the XFF headers, and I thought SHIT HOW WILL I EVER EXPLAIN THIS, and WHAT IF COLLEGES FIND OUT (I'm 15). The same thing once happened to me when I used to vandalize guestbooks (of completely random strangers) months ago and gradually got bored with it. One guy threatened to come after me with "his boys" and I used the alternate identity of "Joe Schmuck". And I thought, WHY THE FUCK AM I DOING THIS???!!! So, I have decided to quit fucking around. I, Johnny Knight, do solemnly swear to stop trolling Wikipedia and Wikipedia admins, so help me GOD, AOL, and MY PARENTS. Could you not call AOL about this, may I repent, for I have done something wrong? 205.188.117.68 04:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Signed - "Johnny Knight"

Userpage[edit]

Nice userpage...very creative and organized.----Always Gotta Keep It Real, Cute 1 4 u 20:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Average Homeboy[edit]

You left a deletion thing on the Average homeboy page. It is a major meme like Numa numa and there was a news story (here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWcsADte1LE&eurl=] so it seems like it should qualify as an article and it doesn't make sense to just cut off all discussion. Jedpressgrove 23:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Mandy Moore[edit]

Thanks for your work. This has become a rather annoying FA nom. First a half a month that resulted in not a single vote! Then a renomination which quickly garnered something like 10 supports and no rejects. That should have been promoted within a week of the re-nom, obviously, but wasn't, and then a few people came around with several particularly irriating "object"s. Mad Jack 07:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Congrats[edit]

You made it into the Signpost!--Andeh 08:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

rfa[edit]

I wonder how Fair Use vigilantes ever get to became Admins. The oppose votes based on "low edit count" is one thing (they have this rule and follow it mostly consistently), but if every one concerned with Wikipedia becoming more "ugly" without "fair use images" gets his vote to count... Anyway I'm liking the process as a whole. Just wanted to know what they call "confrontational" on my behaviour, so that I could avoid that later. --Abu Badali 11:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't get some of the oppose votes because you work against copyvios. Rfa is clearly broken. Jaranda wat's sup 19:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


Jranda, let's hook up[edit]

Hey, Jaranda...I also live in Miami Florida. Why don't we talk about your opinions in person. I am sure we could have a great discussion. This way, you can personally let me know how you believe a pic of Fidel castro walking on a red carpet is in good taste and needed in the Fidel castro article, yet a pic of him falling is not. Let me know.

Jaranda, where you at? you are quick to suspend accounts, but you have not responded either here, or on the Fidel Talk page. Are you not an Admin.

I could do that, I already replaced the red carpet image with an less insulting one. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 20:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

You forgot to block one of Johnny Knight's sockpuppets![edit]

My account with username "4.20.1889" (HITLER'S BIRTHDATE) you forgot to block it! -- signed Johnny Knight 205.188.117.68 01:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC) and by the way, my story above was total bullshit, YHBT!!! I'm not in myg0t or the GNAA either. But I stopped making the fake accounts, the last one was already blocked "Johnny Knight will quit fucking around" or something like that. Will it eventually be off the WP:LTA and other pages, save for the blocklist?

Oh dear, I see that this Johnny Knight personage has a bit of a problem with you. I was going through the new users log, and found the following
I'm just an editor, so I can't block him. If you can't deal with this right now, do you want me to tell another admin?
Regards, — riana_dzasta • t • c • e • ER • 03:47, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I Found a Way[edit]

In July you protected the article I Found a Way after there were numerous deletions over the course of half a year or so (I count 9 deletions). Someone post the article now at I Found a way as a way to get around the article protection apparently. I reduced it to a stub and was wondering your opinion on it. User:Tyrenius (probably correctly) said no to the speedy deletion tag I had put on it saying that it's a much better version than any of the previous versions and suggested a merge or if I really felt strongly about getting rid of it, an AfD. Apparently its the theme song to some TV show, it makes the song notable, so I won't go the route of AfD, but I'm wondering if you would mind lifting your protection to move the article to its proper title/capitalization (and then semi-protect if you think that's appropriate). I have no vested interest in the article, I just wikified it and attempted to move it when I saw the past history. Thanks, Metros232 13:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Vandal[edit]

Hey Jaranda, I need to report a vandal who is constantly and repeatedly vandalizing the D-Generation X page. His username is User:RAMistheMAN. So, if you could get him blocked Indef. I would really appreciate it. Thanks.

--Mikedk9109 17:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

GHe's RfA[edit]

Hi Jaranda!

Thank you for taking part in my RfA! Ultimately, it ended with a final result of (62/23/7), and with only 73% support, no consensus was achieved. Nevertheless, I'd like to thank you again for your participation and I will certainly look into your comments and try to do more article writing.

 G.He 19:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Lego FAR[edit]

Thank you for closing the Lego FAR. Next time please allow two complete weeks to pass before closing FARs. This has been[discussed before] and the consensus was to leave FARs for two weeks even if it doesn't have a snowball's chance of suceeding. Joelito (talk) 00:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


uck...[edit]

Hempfel (talk · contribs · page moves · current autoblocks · block log) has gone on an autoblock spree--205.188.117.68 02:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Closing RfAs[edit]

Hi Jaranda! Just wanted to let you know that I've used the {{Rfaf}} and {{Rfab}} templates instead for the two RfAs [3][4] you've closed. G.He 23:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Desyrroping[edit]

Yes I confirm it on my talk page. But make it on monday please. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 23:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Good luck[edit]

Hey, sorry to read the message on your user page. I hope everything works out for you and your mom and your grades, etc. —Wknight94 (talk) 13:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Request[edit]

Could you please take a look at the deletion nomination of the Dr. Jose Celso Barbosa Post Office Building Designation Act? I believe that the way the votes are going, it is a candidate for a "Speedy Keep" and since you did such a good job with the Norma Candal case I believe that you can do this article justice. Thank You Tony the Marine 21:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks[edit]

Thanks so much for voting, Jaranda!
Thanks so much for your support vote on my request for adminship! With a final vote count of (82/5/0), it succeeded, and I'm now an administrator! I am thrilled with the overwhelming positive support from the community, and sincerely thank you once again for taking your time to voice your opinion. Feel free to contact me with any comments/suggestions in the future!
—Mets501 (talk) 03:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Goldom's RFA thanks[edit]

Thank you for your support on my RFA, which closed successfully this morning with a result of (53/2/1). I've spent the day trying out the new tools, and trying not to mess things up too badly :). I was quite thrilled with all the support, both from the people I see around every day, as well as many users who I didn't know from before, yet wrote such wonderful things about me. I look forward to helping to serve all of you, and the project. Let me know if there's anything I can help you with. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 04:30, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

COTW Project[edit]

You voted for Lee Smith (baseball), this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. Davodd 05:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Benjamin "Ben" Holladay[edit]

As you were the only other administrator who deleted this page, I thought I'd let you know that I've overturned my original decision to delete the page, as it seems there's somewhat of a notability claim made as a railroad personality. If you have any comment, please let me know. Thanks! theProject 21:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

RealityBoy (talk · contribs · page moves · current autoblocks · block log)[edit]

Massive amounts of.......autblocks, do you think you could try and convince him to stop trying to edit, or at least change internet service providers?--152.163.100.196 22:20, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fairlawn, Florida[edit]

Hi, Jaranda- Could you look at this. There is a debate as to whether it is real or hoax. Thanks,  :) Dlohcierekim 08:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

You helped choose this week's WP:AID winner[edit]

 Thank you for your support of the Article Improvement Drive.
This week French Revolution and Lee Smith (baseball) were selected to be improved to featured article status.
Hope you can help.

Draicone (talk) 11:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Good luck[edit]

I hope all goes well on your Wikibreak, and that things work out well. We will miss you while you're gone, but it's good to know that you're at least planning on coming back. The best of luck, -- Natalya 15:21, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Yay![edit]

Happy slightly-early first edit day! Viva La Vie Boheme!

Happy First Edit Day!![edit]

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Happy first edit day, dear RenamedUser jaskldjslak901/Archive17!!! Happy editing and keep up the good work! By looking at the archives, you seem have been here zillion years ago :P Take care -- Imoeng 07:44, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
HAPPY FIRST EDIT DAY! from the BIRTHDAYCOMMITTEE

Wishing RenamedUser jaskldjslak901/Archive17 a very Happy First Edit Day!

Have a fantastic day!

From the Wikipedia Birthday Committee

- I know yopu're away but hopefully when you return you will see this - have a great day!

I wish you all the best on your wiki-birthday, as also in your real life. --Bhadani 15:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Toeic bridge on deletion review[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Toeic bridge. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. -- Jeandré, 2006-08-23t11:10z

Deville's RfA[edit]

Hello, Jaranda, and thank you for the support on my recent RfA. The final tally was 72/1/0, and I have now been entrusted with the mop. I'll be tentative with the new buttons for a while, and certainly welcome any and all feedback on how I might be able to use them to help the project. All the best, and thanks again! — Deville (Talk) 01:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

FA reviews for Version 0.5[edit]

Hi Jaranda, I know you're busy, but would you be able to look over the sports FAs at Wikipedia:Version_0.5_FA_Review#Sport and games? I already asked Nifboy to help finish off the computer games article reviews. I'm hoping we can tie up the loose ends on that section by Thursday - is that possible? I will take care of the Geography section. Thanks for all the general article reviews you've done too, I'm pretty hopeful we can get to 1500 articles by publication. Walkerma 17:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll try, I got some extra time because of that stupid tropical storm Ernesto. Jaranda wat's sup 18:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! If you could look over Donald Bradman too, I nominated it in June and it still hasn't been reviewed. I know you prefer your cricket with a cylindrical bat (i.e., baseball), but this seems like an obvious one to me - a nice article on the world's #1 cricketer of all time. I think Nifboy is doing the games part of sports & games, and I should be able to finish off the Geography myself (though you're welcome to pitch in if you have time). I didn't want to overburden you as I know you've been busy, and I wasn't sure if you were fully recovered from your surgery - are you? Cheers, Walkerma 22:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I take your point about the refs section in the Bradman article being weak - only 2 listed at the end, though the article contains 6 in all (three external in text, one in the batting record chart). I think the Cricketing WikiProject's A-Class assessment is optimistic, but only slightly so, and I think it's probably better than the Nolan Ryan article. IMHO Bradman's importance is about equivalent to Babe Ruth, and I would have hated to see V0.5 exclude him. I'm also concerned that we only have one rather minor cricketer included (Brian Close) (cricket is weaker than baseball on Wikipedia - see Viv Richards, one of cricket's top ten!). Should I ask a third party for their views? Thanks, Walkerma 03:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll do it soon, I asked to regain my adminship to help with the backlogs of images, still mostly incative. Jaranda wat's sup 22:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Per request and a good record I've re-syssoped you since you voluntarily gave it up. Keep up the good work. - Taxman Talk 22:28, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Cardinalwraith (talk · contribs · count)[edit]

Hey Jaranda, Cardinalwraith (talk · contribs · count) recently requested to be unblocked, and I reviewed the block and agreed with the decision to block him. Shortly thereafter, Cardinalwraith sent me an email, which he said he also sent to you, explaining his confusion about images, and that he is now more aware of the policy and will be much more cautious in uploading images from now on. His confusion seems pretty genuine; what do you think about unblocking him with the condition that he has no more problems with image copyright tags? He seems to regret his mistakes, but does want to contribute. -- Natalya 15:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I would be fine with your decision each way, but I'd like to add that Cardinalwrath's other edits appear to be positive ones, so if he's learned, I think an unblock should be considered. --Nlu (talk) 16:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

OhnoitsJamie[edit]

Did in fact violate the 3RR rule.TheTruth2 21:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Nolan Ryan[edit]

You can unlock the page now. I've had enough that one user constantly pushing his biased point of view in the article, and it's not important enough to waste my time watching the page any more. It's his page now. Wahkeenah 00:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

A RfA thank you from en:User:Xyrael[edit]

WikiThanks
WikiThanks

I'd like to thank you Jaranda for either supporting, opposing, commenting, nominating, reading, editing, promoting and/or anything else that you may have done for my successful request for adminship (I've broken the one thousand sysop barrier!); I'm thanking you for getting involved, and for this I am very grateful. I hope to be able to serve Wikipedia more effectively with my new tools and that we can continue to build our free encyclopedia, for knowledge is power, but only wisdom is liberty. Please do feel free to get in touch if you feel you can improve me in any way; I will be glad to listen to all comments. Again, thanks 8)             —Xyrael / 12:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Archive 5[edit]

Is broke. --\/\/slack (talk) 22:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Top 500 HR hitters of all time[edit]

Just a quick favor - please don't reference WP:SNOW if you feel the need to close things early. That probably shouldn't have been closed early (although I'm confident the nom would have come around with some prodding, so I'm not challenging it), but there's no need to cite that essay. Thanks! --badlydrawnjeff talk 23:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Tropical cyclones WikiProject Newsletter #4[edit]

The September issue of the WikiProject Tropical cyclones newsletter is now available. If you wish to receive the full newsletter or no longer be informed of the release of future editions, please add your username to the appropriate section on the mailing list.--Nilfanion (talk) 00:33, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Completing Version 0.5 reviews[edit]

Hi Jaranda, thanks for all your help on 0.5, I feel like the job wouldn't have got done without all of your hard work reviewing night after night! And now we've made it over 1000 articles! (I haven't forgotten the sports noms you mentioned - try to do those tonight!) I understand you're busy, but now we only have about four weeks left to review articles for Wikipedia:Version 0.5. I was wondering if you could take a look at Wikipedia:Version_0.5/To_do and sign up for something? I'd like us to make sure we don't miss anything important. And once the end of the month rolls around we can take a well-deserved break...! Any help you can give would be most welcome. Thanks again, Walkerma 20:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Wohlberg[edit]

As you were the admin that deleted this page, I think it's more appropriate that you discuss your reasons with the author than for me to. I just informed him why it was deleted, but he seems to think that I deleted it: User talk:Crazycomputers#Request to re-admit. --Chris (talk) 23:03, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Continuing the discussion from Chris' talk page...[edit]

Jaranda, I'm still very new at this whole thing, and I really wasn't sure of how to go about requesting the article's reposting - I contacted a few administrators before, and asked them what to do, but I never really got a clear response other than something like "repost" it, and then use the talk page or something.... I wasn't trying to vandalize, trust me, I'd much rather use the system properly, but I'm just not sure how... Do you think you could point me in the right direction? I'd appreciate it. MntnClimbr

Long-Overdue RfA Thanks from Alphachimp[edit]

 Thanks for your support in my not-so-recent RfA, which was successful with a an overwhelmingly flattering and deeply humbling total of 138/2/2 (putting me #10 on the RfA WP:100). I guess infinite monkey theorem has been officially proven. Chimps really can get somewhere on Wikipedia.

With new buttons come great responsibility, and I'll try my best to live up to your expectations. If you need assistance with something, don't hesitate to swing by my talk page or email me (trust me, I do respond :)). The same goes for any complaints or comments in regard to my administrative actions. Remember, I'm here for you.

(Thanks go to Blnguyen for the incredible photo to the right.) alphaChimp laudare 01:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Winhunter's RfA thanks[edit]

Hi Jaranda, thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which was closed as successful today with a finaly tally of (56/0/3). I will be very careful at first to avoid any mistakes. Please feel free to leave a message in my talk page if you have any comments/suggestions about me in the future. Once again, thank you! --WinHunter (talk) 09:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Your unblock of user:BhaiSaab =[edit]

He violate 3RRs and the policy needs to be applied consistently. He is now again in a revert war . Do we need to bring this up on the administrator notice board?--CltFn 02:06, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

He promiced via IRC that he would avoid the article, and I don't see any revert warning. Jaranda wat's sup 02:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Jack Tatum, Ryan Leaf[edit]

Sorry I took a while to look at these, there is so much going on at the moment I overlooked them! Since I don't know much about American football, I took a look at the Sporting News Top 100, but didn't see Jack Tatum there. I didn't expect to see Ryan Leaf there! I agree we should have at least a couple of NFL players listed if possible, but are these the best two to choose? I realise there are other reasons for notability - for example Jackie Robinson may not be a top 10 player, but he was historically important in baseball. Are either of these players world famous in the sport for such other reasons (the paralysis of Stingley, or being a famous "flop")? The top ten players from the SN list are:

  1. Jim Brown
  2. Jerry Rice
  3. Joe Montana
  4. Lawrence Taylor
  5. Johnny Unitas
  6. Don Hutson
  7. Otto Graham
  8. Walter Payton
  9. Dick Butkus
  10. Bob Lilly

Do any of these articles seem to be a better choice to you, balancing importance vs quality? Most don't have proper citations, though the Taylor article does have some refs. Since you know the field (and I don't) I'd appreciate your comments and guidance on this, but to me it doesn't seem right to represent the sport with two players from outside the top 100 - rather like including Troy, New York but not New York City.

Thanks again for all your help, and I hope you're doing well. Walkerma 08:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

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