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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:12, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

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U.S. Coast Guard Ceremonial Honor Guard[edit]

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Created by LavaBaron (talk). Self-nominated at 07:04, 25 April 2016 (UTC).

  • : The article is large and new enough. The hook's also interesting but I can't see it inside the article. I just see a list type mention of him. However, the hook is not verified. --Mhhossein (talk) 13:39, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, sorry for my delay, however, I don't understand the reviewer's comment. LavaBaron (talk) 17:29, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Mhhossein I can see the hook explicitly stated and supported by inline citations in the article. If you mean this should be stated in the form of a sentence, I don't think that is necessary. I think you want LavaBaron to say more about Ellis' role here. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 17:54, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
  • @LavaBaron: You're welcome, but I don't know how Ellis's serving in coastal guard can be interesting without knowing that he was a fashion designer. I suggest you to use this source to mention his fashion career so that I can verify the more interesting original hook. Mhhossein (talk) 05:07, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
  • The fact that Perry Ellis was a fashion designer is already established in the existing sources, specifically source 9. LavaBaron (talk) 05:30, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
  • So you just need to mention that he was a fashion designer. Mhhossein (talk) 17:28, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Fashion still not in article after 21 days. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:32, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Sorry for the delay - updated. LavaBaron (talk) 13:21, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
  • I have never heard of Perry Ellis, so the existing hooks are not hooky to me. Here's another hook: ALT2: ... that the United States Coast Guard did not have ceremonial honor guards for parades and state reception ceremonies till 1962? --PFHLai (talk) 18:39, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
    • I like PFHLai's suggestion. Mhhossein (talk) 10:53, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
    • I'm not 100% certain that's factually accurate. The article only seems suggests, prior to 1962, such units were ad hoc versus standing. LavaBaron (talk) 13:22, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
  • As per a decision in ANI, two reviews of this are required. LavaBaron (talk) 15:11, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
    • The article is new enough, long enough, and has no copyvios that I can find. QPQ is complete (although it could be a little less pro forma.) Article is neutral. However, the second paragraph of the "Organization" section is not supported by the cited reference. The original hook seems okay, since some cites have been added; I too would hesitate over ALT2, since the nominator has doubts over its accuracy, and ALT1 is boring. LavaBaron, if you'll address the cite issue, I'll try to pass this as soon as I can. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 14:45, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
Vanamonde93 -thanks, fixed. LavaBaron (talk) 17:21, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
for original hook. I have struck ALT1 to avoid confusion. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:10, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
  • First review complete; second reviewer requested to make full review. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:14, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
New enough, long enough. ALT2 short enough and sourced. No neutrality problems found, no copyright problems found. QPQ done and image properly licensed. I am at a loss as to why this requires a second reviewer, but I need a QPQ, so I'm not complaining. Good to go.--Launchballer 19:32, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Launchballer, if you want to know why this nomination needs two reviewers, please see number 1 of this DYK talk page entry. Here, the original hook was approved by the first reviewer, LavaBaron having pointed out issues with ALT2. (I'm not sure why Vanamonde93 didn't strike it as well to avoid confusion, as was done with ALT1.) Do you disagree with his points on ALT2 above, which would seem to make it a questionable choice? Do you have problems with the original hook? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:45, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Eh, I really must pay more attention. We could run with the original hook - it's just interesting enough - or another hook could be put forward. Either way, I did make a mistake in approving ALT2 for which I apologise (something LavaBaron could learn from).--Launchballer 00:05, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Launchballer, it's been a week with no other hooks suggested. The original hook is the only one surviving (I've just struck ALT2). You'll have to decide whether "fashion designer" in the article supports "fashion icon" in the hook (if not, you can always change the word in the latter). Without a tick from you, the nomination cannot proceed, and it's currently the oldest DYK nom. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:24, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
I do not agree that fashion designer is the same as fashion icon. ALT3: ... that fashion designer Perry Ellis served in the U.S. Coast Guard Ceremonial Honor Guard?--Launchballer 13:32, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
  • I am okay with that change, and I do not believe it is substantive enough to require a new reviewer. I have struck the original hook; this is GTG with ALT3. Vanamonde93 (talk) 14:19, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
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