Template:Did you know nominations/Tag des offenen Denkmals
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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 04:55, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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Tag des offenen Denkmals
... that Germany's largest cultural event is Tag des offenen Denkmals when each year thousands of historic monuments are opened to millions of visitors for free?Source: [1]
- Reviewed: Sermon on the Mound
- Comment: It's held on the second Sunday in September which is 12 September this year, but as we are late, I didn't mention it in the hook.
Created by LouisAlain (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:27, 9 September 2021 (UTC).
The article meets DYK requirements, no close paraphrasing was found, and a QPQ has been done. However, the hook fact, while mentioned in the article, does not have a reference supporting it. This will need to be resolved before approval. In addition, the hook wording sounds a bit strange in this case, perhaps the article subject could be mentioned earlier in the hooks? It doesn't really read right. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for reviewing, but sorry, I don't understand. The fact is mentioned only in the lead - because it has nothing to do with any of the sections - and has a ref, given also in this nom. For the wording: I thought I better first say something in English instead of four words in German not knowing if an institution, a place name or what, but am open to suggestions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, "thousands of historic monuments are opened to millions of visitors for free" isn't actually supported by the article text. There is one sentence that goes "That first year: 3500 monuments in 1200 municipalities were opened, attracting 2 million visitors.", but it seems to only be about a single year rather than it referring to every year. Reading through the article again, I do wonder if the article needs a copyedit because the grammar feels weird in some places, such as in the aforementioned "That first year" sentence. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- There is no source saying it happens every year. It happened the first year, and was true one more year. We could stop after the name, per not saying what it is just hooking, but I don't feel good about that. How about "typically"? - Help with wording - hook or article - is always welcome. (I didn't write the article, only improved a bit after translation.) Next try:
ALT0a: ... that in Germany's largest cultural, the annual Tag des offenen Denkmals, typically thousands of historic monuments are opened for free?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)- I'd personally rewrite the hook into something like
ALT0b ... that during Tag des offenen Denkmals, Germany's largest annual cultural holiday, thousands of historic monuments are opened for free?Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:29, 17 September 2021 (UTC)- It's not a holiday (Christmas ...), and exactly one day, so I'm reluctant about "during". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:39, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Holidays in English can be another term for "a day when something is celebrated", they don't necessarily mean "public holidays" or "days off". In many countries, days that commemorate an event but aren't days off are still called "holidays". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:02, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, but I understand that in UK English, it also means "vacation", - why make it ambiguous. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:44, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- Depends on the regional variant of English I guess, but I think even the British are familiar with the American sense of the word. Usually you'll be able to understand the intended meaning through context. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:44, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, but I understand that in UK English, it also means "vacation", - why make it ambiguous. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:44, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- Holidays in English can be another term for "a day when something is celebrated", they don't necessarily mean "public holidays" or "days off". In many countries, days that commemorate an event but aren't days off are still called "holidays". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:02, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- It's not a holiday (Christmas ...), and exactly one day, so I'm reluctant about "during". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:39, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- I'd personally rewrite the hook into something like
- As far as I can tell, "thousands of historic monuments are opened to millions of visitors for free" isn't actually supported by the article text. There is one sentence that goes "That first year: 3500 monuments in 1200 municipalities were opened, attracting 2 million visitors.", but it seems to only be about a single year rather than it referring to every year. Reading through the article again, I do wonder if the article needs a copyedit because the grammar feels weird in some places, such as in the aforementioned "That first year" sentence. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- ALT0c ... that during Tag des offenen Denkmals, Germany's largest annual cultural event, thousands of historic monuments are opened for free? Grimes2 (talk) 11:57, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- I guess that wording works too. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- I prefer that wording, thank you for the offer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:32, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- I guess that wording works too. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- Okay. So my current suggestion is that the article should first receive a copy-edit. I'll approve ALT0c once that has been done. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Done Grimes2 (talk) 06:25, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Sounds good. ALT0c is approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:36, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
