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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 13:26, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

List of number-one R&B singles of 2011 (U.S.)[edit]

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Created/expanded by Calvin999 (talk). Self nom at 17:47, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Article is NOT long enough. This is the THIRD not long enough article. That we're consistently nominating articles not long enough is a bit of a worry. Once it is long enough and the nominator can tell me the length of the article and if it passes based on the DYK required length, we can finish the review. --LauraHale (talk) 06:47, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
    Assuming that on 6 July 2012, the prose size of the lead was 12 words, and that today, 14 July 2012, the prose size of the lead is over 230 words, 12x5 is 60, so how does this not qualify as 5x expansion of prose size? Aaron • You Da One 11:27, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
  • The DYK check says that as of today this article only has 1,383 characters of readable prose. Maile66 (talk) 20:05, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
It needs to be 1,500. Characters in the list do not count. In that article, it would only count the characters in the lead above the list. Maile66 (talk) 20:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
I didn't count any words in the list. I counted the lead. So I'm 117 characters (including spaces?) off? Aaron • You Da One 20:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Do yourself a favor and download Wikipedia:Did_you_know/DYKcheck. It will help you a lot. Maile66 (talk) 20:24, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Yeah I don't understand it: User:Calvin999/vector.js Aaron • You Da One 20:27, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Maybe you could post over at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know and ask for some guidance on this. Maile66 (talk) 20:37, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I see what you did. You downloaded it and don't understand how to use it.
  • Pull up your article.
  • Look over to the left-hand side of your page under the Toolbox.
  • You should see "DYK Check" under the Toolbox. Click on it while you have your article open.
  • At the top of the article page, you will see it working "in proress". When it's finished, you will know how much readable prose you have.
If these steps do not work, or the DYK Check option is not in your Toolbox, then please ask for help over at the Wikipedia talk DYK page. Good luck. Maile66 (talk) 21:02, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
  • You're more than welcome. I hope I was able to help you. Whenever I submit a nomination, I run the DYK check first. Maile66 (talk) 21:12, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

LauraHale, Article was 68 characters before expansion, and is now 1383 characters after expansion. Explain to me how that is not 5x expansion, as 68x5 is 340 characters. Aaron • You Da One 13:02, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Aaron, you are misunderstanding the Eligibility criteria. An article has to have 1,500 characters of readable prose. Period. Whether it's a new article, or an expansion, it's not long enough if it's not 1,500 characters of readable prose. Expansions have to be 5X, but they still have to meet the 1,500 characters of readable prose. Maile66 (talk) 15:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
SO confusing! OKay I will expanded the lead more. Aaron • You Da One 17:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Is now 1689 of readable prose, above the 1500 requirement. Aaron • You Da One 19:12, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


  • New enough and long enough NOW. Fully supported by sources. No plagiarism concerns. Hook properly formatted.
  • While hooked fact appears in article, the source does not support this because it does not say the song only appeared on the chart once all year. The source only states it charted this week. It does not exclude other weeks that it charted. --LauraHale (talk) 10:40, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
    What? In the lead, FN7 is the source stating that it was number one for that week, then FN8 at the end of the sentence is the Billboard R&B year end list, where it ranked first and was the best selling R&B song of the year. The year end list is an end of year chart. So I'm not really sure what the point is? The song only spent one week on the chart. The year end list is not a weekly chart. Aaron • You Da One 10:46, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
    "Although Miguel's "Sure Thing" only topped the chart for one week,[1]" is the prose. This is the hooked fact and the source from the hook. The hooked fact is not supported by the source. --LauraHale (talk) 10:54, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
    They both are: Although Miguel's "Sure Thing" only topped the chart for one week, it ranked as the number one song on Billboard's Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs year end list. Aaron • You Da One 11:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
    Nope. I've reviewed the CITED source for topped the charts for only one week and it only says it charted that one week. THIS says it finished at the top of the chart for 2011 but it doesn't say the song was only one week. The hook related source does not support only one week. If every weeks chart was cited, then we could say it only charted this one week but that isn't how the article is cited. --LauraHale (talk) 11:13, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
    Both are supported though. So you just want me to put the references for the two songs either side "Sure Thing" from the list into the lead? As they are clearly cited there in list and "Sure Thing" clearly only charted for one week.
    You don't have a summary style lead. The table is not the prose of the article, which is what the DYK is being assessed against. I'm not going to check 52 different sources to verify the hooked fact, which if I rely on the table I would have to do. The hooked fact is NOT supported by the source in the article text. --LauraHale (talk) 11:29, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
    It clearly is, especially now I've added more sources to the lead. Without the table, there is no lead. Aaron • You Da One 11:34, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
    WP:LEADCITE says "verifiability policy advises that material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, and quotations, should be supported by an inline citation. Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material." Most leads summarize the article and are not filled with citations. In any case, the source provided by the article text regarding topping the charts for ONLY one week, only shows the top the charts for one week, not that it did not chart every other week. Can you find a source that actually says it was only at the top of the chart for one week? Without me having to check 51 other sources to verify it didn't chart in those other weeks? If not, then propose a new hook.--LauraHale (talk) 11:40, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll do a new hook. Aaron • You Da One 11:53, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

This DYK nomination went pear shaped on my user talk page. I can't finish this particular review. If some one else wants to take it over, please do. --LauraHale (talk) 05:26, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Previously noted to be New enough and long enough "NOW". Fully supported by sources. No plagiarism concerns. These are still applicable. New hook is properly formatted. QPQ is done. No Image. The new hook is in the text, not just in the list. The citation is given with the text as well as in the list and it supports the hook. I conclude it is interesting because of the popularity of the artists and the usual enthusiasm shown for collaborations by music fans. Neutral, nothing negative about the living persons. I think ALT1 is now good to go. Donner60 (talk) 06:53, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
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