Template:Did you know nominations/David S. Cohen (attorney)
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:45, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
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David S. Cohen (attorney)[edit]
- ... that Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency David Cohen received a recommendation from Alan Dershowitz for his first job out of law school?
Created by LavaBaron (talk). Self-nominated at 05:05, 1 May 2016 (UTC).
Article is new enough and long enough, and does not contain any policy violations. However, the DYK hook needs better inline-ref support and phrasing in the article. That Dershowitz recommended him for the job at Nathan Lewin is mentioned in one paragraph, but the reader is not told until a later paragraph that being hired by Nathan Lewin was Cohen's first job out of law school (at least not clearly). And in neither place does an inline ref appear immediately after those points (but rather not until the end of a paragraph, which is OK for the article but not for DYK). The information does appear to be appropriately sourced (I found it in the first source referenced, the Washington Jewish Week article of 2/18/2015, at least), so it looks like fixing this issue should pretty easy. Hook length is fine, and QPQ has been started. – SJ Morg (talk) 08:47, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, SJ Morg - fixed. LavaBaron (talk) 20:05, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- You addressed only one of the two points. There is no inline ref after the statement that he "began his law career working with Nathan Lewin", which is effectively part of the hook fact. Unfortuntately, by my reading, the article in Washington Jewish Week is ambiguous on that point. It says that "Alan Dershowitz recommended Cohen .... for his first job working for the prominent Washington attorney Nathan Lewin". But to me, the lack of a comma after "job" means that we don't know if it was "his first job practicing law" (for any firm) or only "his first job practicing law with Nathan Lewin". Maybe I'm nit-picking, but do you have another source saying more clearly that the Nathan Lewin job was his first job out of law school? SJ Morg (talk) 09:56, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, agreed, nit-picking is probably putting it mildly. LavaBaron (talk) 18:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- That sort of unhelpful criticism won't win you any friends. If you had just replied to the effect of, "I believe the meaning of the cited source is clear enough on that point", I probably would have accepted it. Instead, your response to my concern, combined with the fact that you neglected to do any follow-up at all to your QPQ review of another nomination, after other editors raised concerns over your 'GTG' review (making no further comment at all, even after one of them pinged you there), suggests to me that this disagreement is more a case of your standards being too low than of my standards being too high. I considered stepping away and asking for an independent review of this nomination, but I have decided to give you the benefit of the doubt due to the fact that you have done a few more DYKs than I have, and that it's admittedly not a major issue.
– SJ Morg (talk) 06:29, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- That sort of unhelpful criticism won't win you any friends. If you had just replied to the effect of, "I believe the meaning of the cited source is clear enough on that point", I probably would have accepted it. Instead, your response to my concern, combined with the fact that you neglected to do any follow-up at all to your QPQ review of another nomination, after other editors raised concerns over your 'GTG' review (making no further comment at all, even after one of them pinged you there), suggests to me that this disagreement is more a case of your standards being too low than of my standards being too high. I considered stepping away and asking for an independent review of this nomination, but I have decided to give you the benefit of the doubt due to the fact that you have done a few more DYKs than I have, and that it's admittedly not a major issue.
- Yes, agreed, nit-picking is probably putting it mildly. LavaBaron (talk) 18:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- You addressed only one of the two points. There is no inline ref after the statement that he "began his law career working with Nathan Lewin", which is effectively part of the hook fact. Unfortuntately, by my reading, the article in Washington Jewish Week is ambiguous on that point. It says that "Alan Dershowitz recommended Cohen .... for his first job working for the prominent Washington attorney Nathan Lewin". But to me, the lack of a comma after "job" means that we don't know if it was "his first job practicing law" (for any firm) or only "his first job practicing law with Nathan Lewin". Maybe I'm nit-picking, but do you have another source saying more clearly that the Nathan Lewin job was his first job out of law school? SJ Morg (talk) 09:56, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, SJ Morg - fixed. LavaBaron (talk) 20:05, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
