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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Z1720 (talk) 18:12, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

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CIA activities in Japan

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Created by Yokohama1989 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:09, 16 June 2022 (UTC).

  • I believe that i'm exempt from QPG due to this being my first nomination - Yokohama1989 (talk) 13:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
    • Doing the review. Jumping in since I do keep track of stuff happening in modern Japan from time to time as I do op-eds (kinda like this... sorta) after my BA days.
      • New article. Cited well and this hook's interesting. I'm all for using this. Ominae (talk) 07:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
        • @Yokohama1989 and Ominae: how reliable is Pearls and Irritations? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 11:11, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
          • @Theleekycauldron: It's ran by John Menadue, it has a fairly leftist bias but Tessa Morris-Suzuki is a very reliable and knowledgeable historian in the field and the assertation itself links to a declassified CIA primary source which explicitly details the operation Yokohama1989 (talk) 12:27, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
            • All right, I think that checks out as an expert self (or poorly)-published source. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 12:30, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
              • @Theleekycauldron: I agree with that interpretation, Pearls and Irritations has a lot of disinformation in favor of the Chinese Government (with guest authors often being apologists for the CCP), but because the article is specifically authored by Morris-Suzuki, I think it's a good source. Yokohama1989 (talk) 18:06, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Regrettably, another editor has removed the Pearls and Irritations source from the article as unreliable; since the hook is now therefore unsourced in the article (the other source is inadequate to confirm the purpose of the color TVs), I've had to remove it from prep. I've reopened this nomination; I hope a further discussion will be had on the article talk page to see whether the exception you list is acceptable to everyone concerned; the article is currently undergoing a GA review, which can attract extra scrutiny. Perhaps you can find a more reliable source for the hook facts involved? BlueMoonset (talk) 22:41, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset and Yokohama1989: Just a courtesy ping to get this nomination moving. What will be needed? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:37, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
I think this needs a new, complete review given how few of the DYK criteria were mentioned in the original review. The other editor who removed the "Pearls and Irriations" source originally has not returned to protest its restoration. Note that the article passed its Good Article review a few hours ago. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:57, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
  • New review. New enough (as a creation) and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. No textual issues that I see. Hook source checks out to the CIA FOIA piece and Pearls and Irritations and is quite interesting! Fixed an sfn error along the way. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:36, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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