Talk:Zabbaleen
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The Coptic Church pays special attention to the Copts of the area. Fr Samaan is the spiritual leader in the area and over the years he has managed to provide the neglected Christians spiritual support and many required services.
See http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6900938085921020443 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.3.247 (talk) 19:08, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I'm a graduate student in Arab Studies at Georgetown. As part of the wikipedia project initiative, all of the students in our introductory class are required to edit/create an article each that broadly pertains to the Middle East. I have chosen to do my article on the Zabbalean and thus, I will be making frequent updates and additions in the several upcoming weeks. Any suggestions or helpful comments are welcomed. Ayoung0131 (talk) 00:10, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Article Thoughts[edit]
Hello! First, I thought the article was quite comprehensive in terms of providing the reader with the history behind the Zabbaleen. The history sections are well organized and read well. I also thought that the article provided a measured discussion of the pig cull and current events affecting the Zabbaleen.
One of the issues I noticed was the standardization of spelling for names like "Zabbaleen" "Moqattam" "Wahiya" "Manshiyet Nasser" "Assaad," etc. I would pick a particular spelling and stick with it unless you are directly quoting an author. Another issue is repeating information. If you mention a fact in one section, I would try to avoid mentioning the same fact in another section.
Overall, I was very impressed and now have a better understanding of the Zabbaleen community, and current events concerning their community. I made some cosmetic changes to the article, but I wanted to avoid making large changes to the article. Generally, I don't think that the article needs large changes, but just some minor organization and formatting changes to make the article read better.Amfarr21 (talk) 23:02, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
- As a secular European visiting this part of Cairo, it is astonishing that even slum-christians are more modern and democratic than the majority muslim population of Egypt. 1 million egyptian muslims has converted to christianity during the last years. But because of Sharia-law and Middle-Aged mentality among the muslims, they unfortunately have to hide and keep the "Muslim-stamp" in their ID. Mohammed Hegazy has tried to do something with this. But unfortunately Islam and Egypt do not respect freedom and democracy - so the fight has to go on. So long Egypt doesnt accept religious freedom, it will stay a developing and poor country. The zabaleens are richer than the main-stream egyptians in almost every way - except money. --88.94.61.19 (talk) 16:05, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
comments[edit]
Impressive article in its comprehensiveness, organization, and extensive sources. Excellent and informative entry. I too noticed the repeating info, but I think it is needed because people may jump around in the entry. It seems fine to me.
- Not sure what was meant here: "the Zabalean sell the pig-eat to large tourist facilities." (is that pig meat?)
Great job! Radavis147 (talk) 18:25, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Context[edit]
I ran across the article coming from the USPP page, with which I am otherwise associated, and I read through it quickly. The lead sentence contains the terms 'minority religious community' and 'garbage' in very close association, which is the case here, and elsewhere in the world under widely different (and similar) variables for either of those phrases/words. By the phrase's very nature however, questions of NPOV are close to the surface and may arise. Since an on-topic discussion must describe and reference the minority situation/condition/result, it may be difficult to sufficiently weight the differing majority position versus just the result, because it can be near-impossible to reference the relevant equivalent of 'conventional wisdom'. I suggest the addition of some linked context may assist in providing more insight for the majority point of view; just pointing here and here, and here may assist, in the endeavor. Regards, CasualObserver'48 (talk) 08:06, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for your remarks. I will try to incorporate your suggestions sometime in the near future when I do some additional editing. Ayoung0131 (talk) 17:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Sitting Capacity[edit]
The Monastery of St. Simon the Tanner is the largest and it has an amphitheater with a seating capacity of 20,000
Is it 20,000 or 2,000? If it's talking about this (http://www.touregypt.net/images/touregypt/tanner4.jpg) I think the figure of 2,000 looks more realistic.
Besides in the Notes section it says the article is retrieved on 2020-10-23... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.232.238.135 (talk) 13:50, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
- The seating capacity is 20 000 or more. I have just returned from Egypt and been to the place. A seating-capacity of 2000 would not make this the biggest church of The Middle East. Even modest village-churches in Upper Egypt have a seating capacity of 2000. Please stop muslims from vandalizing the article! Source among many: https://www.airbnb.no/experiences/3165426 --88.94.61.19 (talk) 20:23, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Islamic Wahiya, Christian Zabaleen[edit]
According to the Encyclopedia of Consumption and Waste, the Wahiya are Muslim which is why they keep no pigs and don't deal with the organic waste. Link is below