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Other names for Gifle[edit]

"and was recorded in the Domesday Book as the town of Givele or Ivle" According to my mug from the now defunct Yeovil museum: in 1086 the name has been seen as Givela and Givele. Ivele is recorded as 1315. There are 69 different spellings for the name we now call Yeovil recorded on it. I can't post a pic for obvious reasons. I don't have a better source - ie one that can be linked to. Perhaps the Somerset Archive might help here Gerdesj (talk) 01:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fingerprint scanning in nightclubs[edit]

I have no doubt that the authorities would like this scheme to be compulsory, but I do not find it is verifiable according to the current reference[1]. Apart from being specifically described as voluntary, this sentence appears to suggest it is optional:- Sgt Jackie Gold, of Avon and Somerset Police, said: "the scheme had the added benefit that people who choose to sign up will not need to carry ID with them on a night out." Is there another source elaborating how compulsory it is? -- zzuuzz (talk) 12:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Given the above, and following sentence in The Times, I'm changing the article back to saying it is voluntary:
People have to register only once, which takes about a minute, and although it is voluntary it may eventually become a condition of entry.[2]

-- zzuuzz (talk) 12:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Guardian it's compulsory to partake in the scheme if you wish to enter a club [3] Arcturus 14:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Before this scheme was implemented, I read in the local paper 'The Western Gazette', that it would 'becom' compulsory if proven a sucessful deterrent, although I cannot verify this. At the moment it seems the decision is being left to the Landlord's discrestion. I have heard first-hand accounts from people in Yeovil, that they have been denied access to a club/pub because they were unwilling to take part.

Pronunciation[edit]

How is "Yeovil" pronounced?

English place names are notorious for their occasionally unintuitive pronunciations... so: "Yovil" (first syllables rhymes with "so", second with "Bill")? "Yeevil" (rhymes with "evil", similar to "people")? Something else entirely? -- pne (talk) 11:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First one is pretty close. Joe D (t) 11:20, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I like hearing Yeovil mentioned on the radio/tv, but don't like the way they rhyme it with "So-bill". We always rhymed it with "So-ball", like the Australian town Yeoval. Try "Yove-all" or "Yo-vall". Tomid 15:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Locals tend to pronounce the "il", closer to "all" as Tomid says. Certainly avoid pronouncing it as "ville" as in some place names. Yo-vall or Yo-vull are the most accurate IMO. Oh, and as the football team for the town is doing well atm, people may be familiar with the football chant of the name, which does pronounce it as "vil", because it's much slower. Lethe 20:15, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think the most common 'local' pronunciation is 'Yove-ul' although 'outsiders' often pronounce it 'Yoe-VIL' -- R.gunton
Some of your pronuciations are quite amusing! :) As a Somerset resident all of my life, I can tell you that it is pronounced as Tommytrouble says, Yo-vill, to rhyme with So-Bill, or as R.gunton says, Yoe-VILL or Yove-ul. Certainly not Yeevil to rhyme with weevil! SGGH speak! 15:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
:D Lethesl 14:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC presenter on that segment about the "ninja" pronounced it much more like yowvel with ow as in blow and vel as in shovel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.86.185 (talk) 21:10, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well as a resident myself i pronounce it 'Yeeohville' as though i am having a large yawn whilst i say it, anyone else feel this way inclined? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.70.230.211 (talk) 18:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Photo[edit]

I notice that there is a photograph on the Polish WP which isn't sourced from this article, so I'm linking it here in case anyone wants to integrate it in future [4] Lethesl 14:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks I've added it.— Rod talk 14:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What else is needed to get this article to GA?[edit]

I've been editing this article to try to bring it closer to the guidelines at WP:UKCITIES and would be interested in what other editors think is need to get it to meet the Wikipedia:Good article criteria? Obviously we need to expand the lead to summarise the article & reference (or remove) the uncited claims, but is there anything else which would be required?— Rod talk 18:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Population[edit]

The figure for the total population has previously been the subject of some toing and froing. The current citation for 27,949, valid at the time, is no longer working. Other estimates have traditionally been less 'reliable', but typically hover around 40,000. It's probably time to finally sort it out. -- zzuuzz (talk) 14:06, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 1 is working (if a bit slow). It is a web cite version of a list published by the County Council before they revamped their web site. It uses ONS data from the 2001 census & shows 27949. Although other estimates may be produced I believe this is the "official" figure until the next census in 2011.— Rod talk 14:15, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The last few times I checked it hasn't worked, but now you mention it it does now. However see[5] - 42,140 Census 2001. There's definitely some inconsistency going on. -- zzuuzz (talk) 14:24, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
See also [6][7] and other google results. -- zzuuzz (talk) 14:35, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think we have confusion between the "urban population" which I suspect includes not only the civil parish of Yeovil but also includes Yeovil Without & possibly the suburbs of Summerlands, Hollands, Houndstone, Preston Plucknett, Penn Mill, New Town, Hendford, Old Town, Forest Hill, Abbey Manor, Great Lyde + possibly outlying villages such as East Coker, West Coker, Hardington, Evershot, Halstock, Stoford, Barwick, Sutton Bingham, Mudford and Yetminster or even Brympton & Tintinhull but I agree its not clear from the sources.— Rod talk 14:38, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Here are the 2001 census population figures from the Ward profiles[8]
Yeovil Central:  7,230
Yeovil East:     7,300
Yeovil South:    7,802
Yeovil West:     7,280 (total so far: 29,612)
Yeovil Without:  7,260
Brympton:        5,268
(Total:         42,140)

Some clarification on this matter would be helpful :) -- zzuuzz (talk) 14:51, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a go using those sources - can you see if it is clearer?— Rod talk 17:52, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's definitely clearer now for me at least. So the 27,949 figure is cited as the parish. It seems everyone else uses the 42,140 figure for the town, but that's not so clearly referenced. Since the article is about both, perhaps both should go in the infobox. Or should it use the figure for the town? It would be better if there was a clear reference saying exactly what the 42,140 figure represents. -- zzuuzz (talk) 19:10, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a ref in the lead for the urban area population, but I don't believe there is any way to add both to the infobox.— Rod talk 07:27, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notable residents[edit]

Lots of people have recently been added to the notable residents section of this article. Citations are needed which verify their link with Yeovil and I would suggest that many of the people linked to Yeovil Town FC, but may not have been born in the town or have made significant contributions to it, should be kept in the football club article rather than being included in this article.— Rod talk 18:55, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I fully agree. Using the principles of WP:BOLD I'm going to delete (boldly) any such football entry together with anyone not already referenced. --Simple Bob a.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 22:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"School for Scoundrels" opening not shot there[edit]

The article has "the opening sequence of the film was shot on location at Yeovil Town Station (since demolished)". Unlikely. Pictures and track plans exist, and don't match.[9] Added "cite needed". --John Nagle (talk) 18:18, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

According to Movie Locations web site Hertford East, Hertfordshire station was used. As set out on the School for Scoundrels (1960 film)#Locations. Therefore I think this should be removed from this article.— Rod talk 20:09, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. The very plaform at Hertford East Station seen in the movie can be seen via Google Maps. The picture matches the movie.[10]. Yeovil Town Station was a large through station; the one in the movie is a two-track terminal station. --John Nagle (talk) 05:28, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've now removed it.— Rod talk 07:57, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2011 census figures[edit]

Having just reverted an unregistered editor who changed the population figure for the town from 30,378 to 42,000, I've looked directly at the ONS site and can see that the original cited figure from Somerset County Council only covers part of the town (i.e. the parish) - see the map and figures here. Hence the population of the whole town is indeed higher, though whether an accurate figure can be sourced is questionable. It might be necessary to give separate figures for the different parishes which cover the town's built-up area, though these may also cover areas outside the town (such as with Yeovil Without here, which also covers the village of Yeovil Marsh). PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:37, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the same IP editor (User:86.146.134.186) yesterday. They also changed figures for Tintinhull, Ilchester, South Petherton, Glastonbury, Somerton and Langport. Some of the figures were widely different and surrounding parishes were not the issue - IP has now been blocked. In relation to this article I think the difficulty is defining what is in Yeovil beyond using the definition provided by ONS (eg is Brympton part of Yeovil). This applies to other areas which have expanded to take in surrounding villages etc over recent years.— Rod talk 12:56, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If only the figure for Yeovil Parish is used, I think it should be made clear in the text, though personally I would also like some attempt within the article to assess the population of the whole built-up area, as I believe this is what most readers would regard as comprising the town of Yeovil, rather than just the parish. This may mean giving several figures. I took such an approach at Bridport, though at least there Dorset County Council give a figure for the built-up area of the town, which made things easier than appears to be the case here. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 13:04, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've just noticed that the different figures for different areas are mentioned in the Demography section (I hadn't looked - my mistake), though I wonder if it could be presented more clearly, particularly in the lead as well? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 13:08, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)A figure of 40,000 is given here and here but without any explanation of how this is arrived at. This document (page 10) gives much more detail and a figure of 44,906 (in 2008) but still without saying what parishes are included to allow a comparison with the 2011 census.— Rod talk 13:11, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The Yeovil profile from Somerset Intelligence Network (2010) (link blacklisted as its some sort of Google cache) gives 42,557 but says it overlaps with 5 surrounding parishes.— Rod talk 13:16, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'd adopt the approach of just repeating what the most reliable sources state (I'd ignore yeoviltown.com and the western mail article on football success), but try and organise them simply for readers. For the demography section I'd write something along the lines of:
"Yeovil had a population of 41,871 at the 2001 census[1] and 44,906 in 2008.(add southsomerset ref). These figures refer to the urban area which extends into the neighbouring parishes of [X, Y and Z]. In the 2011 census the population of Yeovil parish only—not including areas within neighbouring parishes—was 30,378.[2] The parish is made up of Yeovil Central Ward which has a population of 7230,[3] Yeovil East 7300,[4] Yeovil South 7802,[5] and Yeovil West 7280.[6]"
I'd also ditch the table showing the historic population of South Somerset, as that belongs in the South Somerset article, and could unnecessarily confuse readers here. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 14:01, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'd agree with that in principle except that the use of different sources for different dates may confuse - 2001 census for urban area and 2011 for parish. Can you get a 2011 figure for the "urban area"?— Rod talk 14:08, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think the problem could be solved by separating the info for the parish into its own subsection, as per Bridport. That would prevent confusion. Admittedly it isn't as neat as having the same areas comparable across all dates, but that's a result of the sources, which we can't change. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 14:31, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/census-2001-key-statistics/urban-areas-in-england-and-wales/urban-areas-in-england-and-wales-ks01-usual-resident-population.xls
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference popn was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ "Yeovil Central" (PDF). South Somerset Council. Archived from the original (PDF) on 16 December 2007. Retrieved 24 April 2010.
  4. ^ "Yeovil East" (PDF). South Somerset Council. Archived from the original (PDF) on 16 December 2007. Retrieved 24 April 2010.
  5. ^ "Yeovil South" (PDF). South Somerset Council. Archived from the original (PDF) on 16 December 2007. Retrieved 24 April 2010.
  6. ^ "Yeovil West" (PDF). South Somerset Council. Archived from the original (PDF) on 16 December 2007. Retrieved 24 April 2010.

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Westland => Leonardo[edit]

Whether you like it or not: Westland Aircraft => (GKN) Westland Helicopters Ltd => Leonardo (https://uk.leonardocompany.com/en/about-us/uk-locations/yeovil) It's way more complicated than that but the current identity is an Italian firm.

This article does not seem to mention Leonardos. They are this lot: "Leonardo UK Ltd, (“Leonardo in the UK”, the “Company”) is a private company limited by shares, registered in England and Wales under company number: 02426132, with a registered office of: One Eagle Place, London, SW1Y 6AF. VAT number: GB 849 7746 58. The Company is a member of the Leonardo Group, and a wholly owned subsidiary of Leonardo S.p.A, a publicly listed company on the Stock Exchange of Milan, registered in accordance with the laws of Italy. Registered office: Piazza Monte Grappa n. 4, 00195 Rome, Italy. Register no. and tax reference: 00401990585. VAT no. 00881841001."

Why on earth does this article not mention this? It happened years ago.

So you've added it? Many thanks. Bmcln1 (talk) 23:58, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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