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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Wilma Mankiller faced sexism during her campaign for Deputy Chief of the Cherokee Nation, despite Cherokee society being traditionally matrilineal?

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Sources for expansion[edit]

Found this while checking on Mankiller's formal title, and thought it might be useful for expanding on the article: http://archive.salon.com/people/bc/2001/11/20/mankiller/index.html

Perhaps a comment on her name would be nice. Can anyone find a good reference?

Footnotes[edit]

There are a lot of mysterious numbers in the article; I don't know whether they are artifacts of some clip-and-pasted article, or page numbers in some book/magazine. Could these be turned into actual references conforming to our standard. The Principal Chief of the Nation deserves the best. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism[edit]

Can this page be partially protected since it is the subject of so much vandalism? -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:33, 27 March 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

It seems that you also "vandalise" the facts here. I site Newspaper articles, and a book by a tribal govt. these are reliable sources, and not just form her 'autobiography'. Wilma has done a lot of bad and good through her policies, and this needs to be stated on this site. I added internet sites, so that individuals can make up their own minds. - Skeele

I believe you trying to say "vandalize" and "cite." The article contained positive and negative viewpoints prior to your intervention. With living people, you cannot post anything libelous and you need to maintain a neutral point of view. You might read: Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons to learn about Wikipedia policies. Writing in articles also should maintain some standard of spelling and grammar. Of course you are welcome to hold any political views you want, but Wikipedia is not the place to air those views. -Uyvsdi (talk) 01:56, 7 April 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

I've removed the material which is cited only to a website which doesn't seem to meet our standards for reliable sources. Please don't re-add this clearly non-neutral material unless you can provide some more mainstream coverage of these alleged incidents. Inali --Orange Mike | Talk 12:57, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion of Wilma's Freedman Law[edit]

WIlma only excluded the Freedmen Roll from enrollment. THe 'by blood' lists adopted whites, intermarried whites, delawares shawnee, creek and natchez indians. The 'intermarried whites' were just recently kicked out due to the 2006 special election, though the 'adopted whites' can still enroll. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skeele (talk • contribs) 13:12, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DNA Consultants[edit]

DNA Consultants is a company that does DNA testing (autosomal, y-and-mtDNA, who knows what else) for private individuals. One of its Native American (NA) categories for persons who have suspected NA heritage is "Native American-Michigan," an American geographic region that is said not to be the specific home of the "29 Native Americans" in Michigan provided by the "...Detroit Police Department and the Michigan State Police, with help from the Illinois State Police...": Native American-Michigan These could be from police CODIS files.

Now, notice there are only 29 persons tested. NA results can't be used for NA's to claim tribal affiliations, they must be too vague. If a person has a hit for NA in one part of America, then a good chance is that he or she would have multiple hits for NA ancestry in other parts of North America, as well as South America. DNA matches are close. But, with this Michigan NA category, a person can have one and only one NA hit with no other corroborating NA match anywhere else in the Americas.

You'll see Wilma Mankiller's photo on that NA web page as an example of an American with Michigan NA heritage.

If Wilma's DNA was ever run, is this the only NA match that she would have had? This is not a random question or supposition, as many tribes have been disenfranchising its members due to questionable ancestry with that specific tribe. Meaning, that person or family might not be a true member of the tribe. Would Wilma's DNA have matched other tribes? Why is Michigan NA DNA so exclusive?

The Mankillers were in Oklahoma. DNA Consultant's Michigan NA web page says that specific DNA hit "...seems to capture a broad cross-section of mostly urban acculturated members of Eastern U.S. tribes, with Cherokee people being the most salient."

The NA's tested for these CODIS markers undoubtedly had European ancestry, as had Wilma. I believe that this DNA result is questionable, it is too vague. Should this be included in Wilma's page?--76.212.159.173 (talk) 02:56, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Debating whether or not this is constitutes spam here on the talk page. Definitely is not notable or germane the article. -Uyvsdi (talk) 03:44, 2 May 2014 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

Please translate. If you are trying to say that true NA heritage, or what tribe that heritage is from, is not relevant to an article about an important recent American NA leader, then I might disagree. I also do not believe a discussion about this topic is spam, as it is merely a discussion concerning relevancy to the article itself. Actually, this is a very polite process compared to forcefully inserting this information into the article itself.--76.212.159.173 (talk) 03:58, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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American and Cherokee[edit]

Hi there seems to be a little issue with including American in the lead when she is a U.S. citizen. That's like saying American and Canadian. Is there concern that her Cherokee citizenship will be overlooked?Seminolegirl94 (talk) 01:07, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I initially did not understand the question Seminolegirl94 but maybe since you and Indigenous girl are the ones involved in the dispute you should have pinged her. Seems to me it is a given that she was a U.S. citizen, as 1) she was born there, 2) the 1924 Indian Citizenship Act gave all Native Americans U.S. citizenship and happened before she was born, and 3) there is no organized Cherokee Nation outside of the U.S. I don't see that it matters one way or the other if that is stated in the lede, as I cannot imagine anyone would be confused as to her citizenship status. Good luck in coming to an agreement on the wording. SusunW (talk) 15:31, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's where I'm a little confused she's a notable citizen of the U.S. and the Cherokee nation. So that shouldn't be a problem saying both. There isn't a citation stating she's denounced her U.S. citizenship. I'll wait for Indigenous girl viewpoint I'm not freaking out about this :) Seminolegirl94 (talk) 18:49, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will say that I have written tons of bios of notable Native American women and I rarely ever state that they are U.S. citizens. It seems redundant to me, but as I said, I don't really see that it matters one way or the other. Maybe that's just my personal take because I truly think national borders are just obstacles for people seeing and experiencing the world :) SusunW (talk) 20:41, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree on the redundancy. I do not see it as necessary, I also do not feel it reads well. I am with SusunW on this. Of course she did not renounce her US citizenship, no one insinuated that. It is incredibly important tome as an indigenous editor to maintain and support sovereignty. She was a Cherokee citizen, that was her Nation and I find it hard to believe that anyone would assume that she was not a US citizen. Indigenous girl (talk) 23:04, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay so the actual concern is that mentioning American is a threat to sovereignty in your opinion. I was only trying to be consistent with wiki standards I apologize if my edit seemed a little bold.Seminolegirl94 (talk) 00:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stating that she is an American citizen seems to me to be redundant as SusanW stated. I am also support that sovereignty be maintained and supported as much as possible on Wikipedia. I don't believe that you were being bold at all, fwiw. I took you to be editing to standards - though standards are still maintained without the inclusion :) Indigenous girl (talk) 01:36, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I can understand that I just wasn't 100% sure if for some strange reason her American citizenship was being ignored. No biggie :) Seminolegirl94 (talk) 16:18, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]