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post-WR career "bebop" vs "postbop"[edit]

I can't think of anything in Wayne's post-Weather Report career that should be considered "bebop"-oriented, but at the same time "postbop" is also unsatisfying.

I'm not sure my version is much better, but it's perhaps more neutral. Bebop really stopped before the start of the sixties, and "postbop" is what? Ornette? Wynton Marsalis? The seventies needs expansion - VSOP, other work with Hancock etc. His wife was killed on TWA Flight 800, and I believe he is (like Hancock) a Buddhist. -- ajn (talk) 17:51, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'd take issue with the claim that bebop stopped at any point (it's still being played now), and "postbop" seems to be the wrong term for Shorter, as you say. His playing is surely bebop-influenced, though there are other influences, obviously, and I suppose there's room for disagreement over which if any is dominant. (I was brought up – in a jazz-listening sense – calling it "rebop", byt he way, which might have been meant to refer to the bebop-influenced music around the London scene in the early to mid seventies.)

Oh, I nearly fogot: I like your rewrite. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 13:15, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I would definetely not define Wayne Shorter's music as bebop or postbop. I think "freebop" works the best to describe what he's been doing, although it is not a phrase as commonly heard. I'm not going to change anything right now, but just thought I should throw it out there. ----Birdtrain 22:41, 30 April 2007 (PST)

Shorter's style of playing and composition[edit]

An editor asserted that contrapuntal pedal points and complex harmonic relationships are not common in jazz. This is assumption that they are not common is POV. Has the editor heard the work of Monk, Parker, or Mingus (major figures that preceded Shorter)? Dogru144 21:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discography[edit]

"Live at the Fillmore East" was expanded to the full title, as denoted on the cover. It is easy to confuse the shortened version of this title with "At Fillmore: Live at the Fillmore East", on which the saxophonist is Steve Grossman, one month later. Dogru144 13:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

...And he plays soprano too...[edit]

Much appreciation to the authors and editors of this Wayne page. I learned several things about him I'd not got from reading the Footprints biography. As a soprano player I couldn't resist adding soprano to his instruments list, since that instument has been so important to his playing from WR to present. Hope there's no objection to that addition. Maybe I can find a few points about his soprano playing to add at a later date. Regards, Aeigner 05:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Laswell[edit]

Wayne Shorter contributed to a number of Bill Laswell projects, like Hallucination Engine.

207.212.254.114 (talk) 21:56, 25 January 2008 (UTC) Stowe Boyd[reply]

Mr Groove[edit]

Is WS really 'Also known as Mr. Groove', as the infobox says? It isn't mentioned anywhere else on the page, and the only references I came across on Google were to this page. Henry ^Flower 20:33, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Importance of WS as a Soloist[edit]

Excellent article, perhaps not enough emphasis on his stature as soloist/stylist. His style is unmistakeable, despite finding ways to fit in unobtrusively as a session star for artists ranging from Herbie Hancock to the Rolling Stones. I hope one of the writer/contributors to this article agrees and will shine more light on this side of Wayne Shorter, arguably more rare that that of composition. The ability to compose profoundly on the fly is the essence of Jazz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.9.220.36 (talk) 19:05, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Marsalis quote[edit]

I removed the following paragraph from Wayne_Shorter#With Miles Davis (1964-1970) because this subsection already has two quotes and because I don't think Marsalis is talking specifically about his writing from this period here (whereas Hancock and Miles are).

In the liner notes to Wynton Marsalis' album Black Codes (From the Underground), Marsalis described Shorter's importance as a composer:

In every era you have composers who stand out and who set up directions. Ellington and Strayhorn tower over everybody. Then you have Monk. Then Wayne Shorter. Right now, it is easy to see that Wayne took the music in a fresh direction because of his organic conception of the interaction of melody, harmony, and rhythm. Some of the avant-garde composers wrote interesting lines, but I haven’t been impressed by their harmonic ideas. Wayne Shorter knows harmony perfectly and, just like Monk, every note and every chord, every rhythm, every accent—each of them is there for a good reason.

Sign your posts. Your personal opinion is less than useless, the TP's are for the discussion of Reliable Sources.HammerFilmFan (talk) 13:00, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hancock quote[edit]

Not sure if it was the original source, but the quote from Herbie Hancock in the section about the Miles quartet sounds very much like a comment he made in an interview with Elvis Costello on the TV show Spectacle. The quote is marked as "citation needed". I have no idea how to go about adding a citation for this though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.128.21.14 (talk) 15:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Studied with Coltrane?[edit]

I haven't verified this, but on the Juju page it claims that Shorter was Coltrane's student for some unspecified period. Does anyone have a source for this? If it's true, it should be on the main Shorter page too. Tdimhcs (talk) 04:55, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Vandalism?[edit]

A recent edit asserted Shorter died on February 15th. I don't see any sources here or the internet at large. Should this be removed? BenTheDuelist (talk) 23:27, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He has passed on March 2, 2023 at age 89. HammerFilmFan (talk) 13:01, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox photo[edit]

I'm thinking we need to decide on an infobox photo now Wayne Shorter has passed. Ideally, Shorter should be clearly recognizable, it should show him playing the saxophone, etc. Any thoughts? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 04:23, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]