Talk:Vladimir Chelomey

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Why vandalism?[edit]

This edit was recently reverted as vandalism: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vladimir_Chelomei&oldid=208808576

Can you please clarify why? It's not obvious to the outsider (I'm unfamiliar with Soviet rocketry). Was this a subtle red-herring being laid? Andy Dingley (talk)

Grammatical error?[edit]

Quote from the article: "Chelomei was born in Siedlce, Imperial Russia (now Poland) in Ukrainian family."

Isn't the bolded part a grammatical error? Shouldn't it be something like "into a Ukrainian family"?

Temerster (talk) 09:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just changed it but I hope a native speaker could confirm what's the correct version. Temerster (talk) 15:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pulse Jet[edit]

Excellent article on Chelomey! I think it is mostly accurate to say he built the first Soviet pulse jet, but Pobedonostsev does claim that he build an experimental pulse jet "EK-3" in GIRD in 1933. It doesn't seem that anything came of that experiment though, and there seem to be no details about EK-3. DonPMitchell (talk) 23:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

10X[edit]

It might be better to call Chelomey's cruise missiles 10Kh and 16Kh. In Russian, "X" is a letter usually transcribed as "Kh". In some cases (but not here) Russians use "X" as the roman numeral for 10, for example in the rocket GIRD-X which is sometimes incorrectly written as GIRD-Kh. DonPMitchell (talk) 18:55, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed move[edit]

I think the most common transliteration of his name is "Vladimir Chelomei"; NASA, for example, spells it this way. So the article should be titled this way, hence my suggestion to move to page. Mlm42 (talk) 03:53, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Vladimir Chelomey → Vladimir Chelomei — Per WP:RUS, this appears to be the most common transliteration of his name (for example, NASA uses it, see this document from NASA's Chief historian). Mlm42 (talk) 19:03, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral, leaning to oppose. WP:RUS's intent is to establish the spelling based on the English sources used by the article. Until the article is sufficiently referenced to determine just which spelling seems to be more common, the default provision (="Chelomey") takes priority.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 18, 2011; 19:16 (UTC)

So I suppose I need to supply more sources that his name is usually spelled "Chelomei".. how about [1] [2] [3] [4]. Or do I need to add these to the article first? WP:RUS says on the talk page is enough.. Mlm42 (talk) 19:35, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Having them on the talk page is indeed enough, but if you can add them to the text, why not? Saves a whole lot of trouble later on. Just make sure you aren't cherry-picking them :) The other spelling is also used, after all: [5], [6], [7], even by NASA. When the usage is equally divided (or when either sample isn't that big to begin with, as it seems to be the case here), the default provisions also take over. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 18, 2011; 19:49 (UTC)

Hmm.. I don't think usage is "equally" divided (based on google searches for "Vladimir Chelomei" and Vladimir Chelomey, but we're apparently not allowed to use Google searches. So even though usage leans towards "Chelomei", it doesn't lean enough to justify a move.. (for example the Russian company he founded uses Chelomey) Have I interpreted that right? Mlm42 (talk) 20:02, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, that's generally the idea I was trying to voice. At any rate, it'd be beneficial to wait and see what others have to say. Whatever way the usage is leaning, if a good enough reason to move this article to a different spelling exists, it should most certainly be considered. If nothing materializes, we can stick with the guidelines.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 18, 2011; 20:14 (UTC)

Comment I'm not sure that the case can be made at this stage. If anything, the fact that the company he founded uses Chelomey, suggests that this is his preference, which per Wikipedia:Romanization of Russian would seem to therefore be our preference. Skinsmoke (talk) 14:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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