Talk:Vauxhall bus station

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Services[edit]

Cannot find any reference in WP:NOTGUIDE that would preclude the inclusion of services operated. Looking at articles on other pieces of transport infrastructure Clapham Junction railway station, Gatwick Airport and Port of Dover for example, it is standard to include what services are operated.

If service frequencies, times, platform numbers etc were included, ie trying to replicate a timetable, then this would likely be in breach, but to simply list the services would appear not. Astbam (talk) 01:20, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Since the station opened 9 years ago, there have been no changes to the routes operating via it. Last change to routes serving the area, was the introduction of route 436 in February 2003. So after 11 years with no changes, think it is fair to say the routes serving the station are stable. Astbam (talk) 06:27, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Everything changes at some point, I've come across ALOT of bus stations that have this info - And most service numbers that were listed no longer existed, Hence why we don't list them all anymore, Also I appreciate it may be helpful to readers but I'm 99% sure if anyone wanted to see more info on services they'd visit TFL or whatever, Cheers –Davey2010 • (talk) 02:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We do not list them because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia not a directory and particularly not a travel guide. If you want to compile directories or add original research go to another wiki such as UK Travel Wiki on Wikia.Charles (talk) 07:36, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Everything does change at some point, but still not justification for not including in an article. The Queen Elizabeth II article states she is the Britain’s head of state. At some point she will cease to be, should we delete this on the basis that at some point in the future this will change? Of course not. No doubt, there are plenty of outdated articles and when come across should be updated or deleted.

The Arriva Southern Counties article states that it operates route 286, when it has been operated by London Central for the last 3 weeks. So should we throw out the baby with the bathwater, because one bit of information is slightly out of date, or fix and retain?

Applying the 'everything changes' logic, references to services should be deleted from this and every other bus operator article, likewise railway station and all other public transport articles. As stated before, a listing of services is standard for pieces of public transport infrastructure. It provides nowhere near enough information to enable a reader to plan a journey.Astbam (talk) 00:28, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

- As stated you can add the info to another site IE Wikia. –Davey2010 • (talk) 01:38, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As one editor objecting to changes elected not to highlight the sections of WP:NOTDIR and WP:NOTTRAVEL added that post is allegedly in breach of as asked, but instead reverted, and second objecting editor has cited the debunked 'everything changes' logic and resorted to describing others work as 'crap', cited information reinstated. Astbam (talk) 08:42, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

September 2014[edit]

User:Charlesdrakew has stated that the inclusion of services is in breach of WP:NOTDIR and WP:NOTTRAVEL.[1] Yet when asked to clarify on a number of occasions has declined to do so.

User:Astbam even when so far as to copy the relevant pages onto the article’s talk page and asked for the relevant section/s to be highlighted.[2] Both this and a further request on the editor’s talkpage, [3] were deleted without response.[4][5] As an editor who regularly uses these policies as justification for posts, I would have thought he would have been familiar with their content and my request was not an onerous one.

If the post is in breach of policy as asserted, objecting editor is going to need to state why rather than just stating it is. Accusations of original research when cited[6] and disruptive behaviour[7] along with block threats, are not going to resolve.

Only conclusion from this reluctance to engage I have been able to draw, is that inconveniently my post is not actually in breach of policy as asserted, but is merely different to the editor's personal preferences. Astbam (talk) 10:24, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You've been told a million and one times this crap can't be added as it fails WP:NOTTRAVEL and to some extent NOTDIR, .... If you don't wanna be blocked for disruptive editing I strongly suggest you give up and edit something else. –Davey2010 • (talk) 12:35, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]