Talk:University of Chicago Graduate Library School

Suggestions

1. Move the article to University of Chicago Graduate Library School or something similar. Its years of existence should not be a part of the title.
2. The first sentence of the article should mention exactly what this school is/was, and perhaps mention its years of existence.
3. The first section title should be short and descriptive; it should not be a sentence in itself.

--Rifleman 82 (talk) 16:44, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Why GLS Closed

>GLS stopped accepting new students in 1989 when the university shifted its resources to focus on an information studies research program.

I was wondering if anyone knows why GLS wasn't incorporated into this information studies research program? That sounds like the perfect place for a library school, especially one with the academic credentials of GLS. Rissa, copy editor (talk) 02:49, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

The Henry Moore Sculpture

>The Enrico Fermi Memorial, Henry Moore's bronze Nuclear Energy (sculpture) is located near the library. Photos show the library in the background.

No, it isn't. It's off by itself on a cement square in a small grassy area across the street from the old physics building. It isn't near the entrance of anything. The outline of Regenstein Library resembles a map of the continental US. GLS was the Atlantic Coast. The sculpture is off the California coast.

I'm going to take out the sentence about GLS being near that statue as well as the photo. Surely there is something more suited to librarianship than that sculpture. How about the GLS seal? Rissa, copy editor (talk) 03:31, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

>The sculpture was near windows from GLS and it may be that people cut through. Found a picture with the library in the background and re-inserted. This was certainly memorable for those who were GLS students and a feature of the experience until the School closed.Kmccook (talk) 00:03, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

The scuplture is on the -->west<-- side of Regenstein. GLS was on the -->east<-- side of Regenstein. The sculpture and the entrance to GLS are a block apart.

What you see in your photo are the windows on the west side of Regenstein Library -- not GLS-- the library itself.

We GLS students never saw the sculpture when we went into the library school, it was physically impossible for us to have seen it. Nearly all University of Chicago graduate students live east of the library, towards Lake Michigan. The way we got to GLS was to walk towards the library until we reached the east door, open that and there was the library school. Furthermore, the library only has two doors -- one facing the south and one facing east (the GLS entrance). You can't get into the library from the west side so there was no "cutting through."

But it doesn't matter where the sculpture is. It represents nuclear physics, not librarianship. Rissa, copy editor (talk) 01:38, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Everyone who studied at GLS did not live near campus. Some students who worked for the public library took the bus from the old stockyards area, then the elevated to 43rd than walked. The Regenstein library was built atop Stagg field where the nuclear experiments took place. Maybe younger students do not remember this as much as students from 50s, 60s, 70s, but it was very real. At GLS a number of faculty were physicists--Swanson, Ingve, Bookstein.Kmccook (talk) 20:59, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Don Swanson was a theoretical physicist but Abraham Bookstein was in the Psychology Department. As I said before, Victor Yngve was in Linguistics.

I lived and worked in Hyde Park from 1977-1990, that would be a year after the university finally shut GLS down. My husband and I now live in a western suburb.

Hyde Park is a small enclave surrounded on three sides by two of the worst neighborhoods in the city. The 43rd Street El stop is in a dangerous area and university students, especially women, were/are strongly advised to stay away from the El entirely. Regenstein is on 57th Street between Ellis and University, which makes it 14 blocks south and 4 blocks east of the 43rd Street stop, a very long way to walk. But why 43rd Street? The Garfield stop is on 55th Street and there are CTA buses from there that stop two blocks north of Regenstein.

As for GLS students congregating at the sculpture, I can't imagine why -- there's no place to sit and there's no shelter from rain and snow; it's just a slab of concrete. It would be like hanging out in the middle of a tennis court. It's very cold and windy in Chicago between November and March plus Hyde Park is subject to lake effect snow. Nobody goes outside who doesn't have to, let alone stands around in an unprotected area in below freezing conditions. It's also very hot and humid from June until the end of August, too hot to stand in direct sun and discuss your government documents class or how to catalog a rare book. The one place GLS students did congregate was the Reynolds Club (the equivalent of a student union building) across the street from the library. It's warm in winter, cool in summer and it has food and drinks.

OK.>All people in the area do not think of poor neighborhoods as the worst neighborhoods. Women and men live there today, Good people.

Why does this matter to you so much? You are 100% wrong about the sculpture being a hang-out for GLS students and about it being located at the entrance to GLS and yet you want to perpetuate this fiction. Why? Rissa, copy editor (talk) 21:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

>There were many many classes every quarter and unless you were there for 4 quarters for several decades you would have no idea. It has been let go.It is simply something several classes remember but it can remain there.Kmccook (talk) 01:19, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

A sculpture marking the site of the first self-sustaining controlled nuclear reaction has -->nothing<-- to do with GLS, it is not emblematic of GLS, it does not stand for GLS and it does not represent our school or ourselves.

You said you are a member of the Unreferenced Article Project, yes? I am sure you will agree that, without at least one verifiable source, you have no justification for using that photograph or for saying students had to walk by the sculpture to enter GLS when that is physically impossible. Well, for everybody but that mysterious person you know who kept getting off the El train 14 blocks too soon.

Unless, of course, you have one or two verifiable sources proving that the majority of GLS faculty and students have agreed to be represented by a sculpture to nuclear energy? I think we would prefer to be represented by something celebrating the school's contributions to librarianship but, barring that, the GLS seal or that of the university. How about a photo of the east door of Regenstein where GLS was? My husband and I would be happy to go down to Hyde Park this Sunday and take one.

The sculpture photo and sentence have to go. They don't make any sense to anyone who has been on the university campus and seen the sculpture, but especially not to GLS faculty and students. I suggest you remove them but if you can't then I'd be happy to and I'll replace the sculpture photo with my photo of where GLS was. But if you persist in this sculpture madness then we will have no choice but to go to resolution. But I don't want that and I don't think you do either, especially since you have no evidence to back you up and have therefore violated Wikipedia rules.

>>This was in the sixties and a Bulletin of the Atomic scientists inspired event. I'd check with others now passed away so except for personal papers have no data. Very old peoples' memories and interviews can't be used so deleted.

Victor Yngve

Was Dr Vngve an actual member of GLS faculty? I thought he was a linguistics professor and GLS students could take one of his classes as an elective to their library school coursework. Does anyone know? Rissa, copy editor (talk) 19:45, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

>See pix at GLS reception includes Dr. Yngve Kmccook (talk) 00:03, 16 November 2014 (UTC

I am very happy to see that former GLS students gave him a nice reception. I liked him very much, I thought he was a very good professor. But that's not proof that he was on the GLS faculty. I remember him being on the linguistics faculty and that GLS administration would allow students to take one of his linguistics classes as counting towards their MA degrees. I took a course in the business school on labor relations that counted towards my degree but that didn't mean my professor was a member of the GLS faculty. Rissa, copy editor (talk) 01:54, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

>This is a matter of how the courses were presented in the catalog. even today a cross-referenced course could be seen as being of one or the other academic units and faculty can have courtesy appointments even if home tenure is elsewhere. So, I altered section to state faculty, not of the GLS.

What is the "Unreference Articles Project"? That sounds interesting. Rissa, copy editor (talk) 02:07, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

It's a fun project. Wikipedia calls it lacking sources. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources

That does sound interesting and a very worthwhile thing to do for Wikipedia. Rissa, copy editor (talk) 21:31, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Security

>OK.All people in the area do not think of poor neighborhoods as the worst neighborhoods. Women and men live there today, Good people.

Chicago has lots of poor neighborhoods with good people. But I'm not talking about them -- I'm talking about the areas west and south of Hyde Park and the area north of neighboring [Kenwood (very expensive, beautiful old mansions mostly owned by professors including one who used to teach Constitutional Law at the Law School). These three areas make a ring around Hyde Park (Lake Michigan is on the east) and are home to some of the worst gangs in Chicago, in particular, the Almighty Black P. Stone Nation. "Black P. Stone" refers to Blackstone Street which runs north-south right through the middle of Hyde Park (about two blocks east of the university). The Chicago Police Department runs extra patrols 24/7 throughout Hyde Park plus the university has its own security force. All intersections on campus have at least one emergency call box.

The Blackstone Rangers started out in the late 1950s. In addition to being a mile away from GLS, the route you describe your friend taking would have been too dangerous for most people after about 1965.

Also, I wasn't some library student floating along, blissfully unaware of the long tradition of GLS students tramping a block out to the statue and then standing around for 15 minutes. I was at GLS for eight quarters plus I lived in Hyde Park from 1977-1994.

My husband just read this and would like to point out that the statue is directly in front of the physics building where his department was located. He saw it everyday and says the only people who ever congregated there were groups of university students and professors who showed up once a year to protest nuclear weapons. Rissa, copy editor (talk) 04:38, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Photos

I don't know why I didn't think of this before but Google maps shows where everything is. Regenstein's address is 1100 E 57th, Chicago (Google has it as "The University of Chicago Library"). The library vaguely resembles a map of the US. GLS was on the Atlantic coast, above and below the library entrance that faces University Ave. Now look to the west, to Ellis Ave. About 2/3 of the way up Ellis it says "Nuclear Energy." That's where the statue is.

Then click on "Earth" at the bottom left corner of your screen. Go in a little bit, those pink bushes mark the entrance to GLS. The grey circle has a tree growing in it. If you go down a tiny bit on your screen you will see a red-topped building labeled "Hutchinson Commons" -- it's the equivalent of a student union building. It has a restaurant and that's where GLS students congregated.

Thank you for removing the photo. Rissa, Guild of Copy Editors (talk) 01:13, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Proposed Edit Broken Link

Under the Closure section, the final sentence is inaccurate, as its footnote link is broken and no equivalent page exists. The Library no longer publishes a newsletter. "The University of Chicago Library administration functions as a connection with GLS alumni and publishes a newsletter.[20]" Dbottorff (talk) 22:41, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

 Implemented Spintendo ᔦᔭ 00:08, 11 January 2018 (UTC)