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About History: Why should Turku be named Turku before it was officially named Turku, During the Swedish reign it should be named Åbo I think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.231.0.70 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

That's the Swedish version of its name. In Finnish the city's name is (and has always been) Turku. - ulayiti (talk) 09:38, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

That's true also, but before 1930's the city was universally known as "Åbo", even in English. This is a similar question as the Danzig vs. Gdansk fight, both names are ~1000 years old and both have been official. Now in Poland there's only Polish names that are official, but in Finland both Turku and Åbo are official. Actually I don't see any good point, why the norm for the "international city names" of Finland was changed just before WWII, and in my personal texts I use Swedish names for every name in "Svenskfinland" and for old Finnish towns founding during Swedish era, even if they are unilingually Finnish. At least in historical context should this be used, such as in the article of Treaty of Fredrikshamn. Ultrix 09:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Your conduct seems unneutral. Perhaps you should read the naming conventions regarding Finland proposed by the UN. Still existing things - such as towns or cities - should be named according to the existing demographic realities in a foreign language. Things that no longer exist - such as an old peace treaty - can be named according to the usage in its own time. Compare this with naming conventions in Ireland, Switzerland or Belgium. Finland's naming conventions should not make any exceptions. The fact that a city was previously only dealt with in one language on paper does not necessarily mean that the citys name in this language was its historical name. It may have been just a political reality not a historical one. Clarifer 08:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

We are talking about a city that has no confirmed birth date or original name. There is no way to prove which is wrong or right. --jertique I 23:32, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking, that there should be some mentioning about the nature of Turku sub-region in text. Because it is so different from other Finland when Turku shares very small area with its close neighbors. Even Tampere is considered as larger city, Turku actually has more people within same reach from the center, because the major population in neighboring cities are living about under 10km reach from city center and that makes lot more than in Tampere. I think this is important note!--jertique I 00:12, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Another note! On Helsinki's wikipedia page unlike Turku's wikipedia page is population of Urban and Metro taken as population of "The Capital Region" and population of "Helsinki Region" therefore also Turku's wikipedia page should be edited in such way, meaning that urban area is same as "Turun kaupunkiseutu" cityregion and Metro area is same as "Turku Region". It cannot be correct in the way it is now! And there is another confusion between articles. In which thing is sub-region refering to? Is it Urban Region or more like Metro area? E.g. on the page of Turku and one of Raisio sub-region names are typed differently, why? --jertique I (talk) 13:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay. I edited the page according to the way that Helsinki's page has been done. I used numbers as of 2007. According to Varsinais-Suomen Liitto, in Turun Kaupunkiseutu similar meaning with Greater Helsinki includes following municipals areas: Naantali, Raisio, Turku, Kaarina, Rusko, Piikkiö and Paimio. And seems like sub-region is refering to this area. So there are still strong confusion between different articles. --jertique I (talk) 13:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Now I found even better definition. It was on finnish wikipedia page and it says that in some cases "Turun kaupunkiseutu" consist of Turku, Naantali, Raisio and Kaarina which I think fits best in term "an urban area".--jertique I (talk) 15:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Åbo Underrättelser a major newspaper?

Åbo Underrättelser, published in Turku, is one of Finland's two major Swedish-language newspapers (together with the Helsinki-based Hufvudstadsbladet).

This seems like a bit of an overstatement. ÅU has a circulation of 7,037. Vasabladet (25,225), Ålandstidningen (10,542), Jakobstads Tidning (12,137), Västra Nyland (10,851), Borgåbladet (8,282) and Nya Åland (7,234) all have higher circulation than ÅU. The newspaper does deserve inclusion in the article for another reason, though: it's the oldest newspaper in Finland. I'm altering the sentence in question accordingly. NordicStorm 17:17, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Capital?

As far as I know Turku was the capital of Finland only from 1809 to 1812. Before it was indeed the most important city, but that alone doesn't make it the capital. -84.169.106.66 16:25, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

AFAIK it was the capital of Finland until 1812. Finland was a province of Sweden, and Åbo was the provincial capital of Finland during the whole Swedish period. Ultrix 09:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Conan O'Brien

Hey,

Why is there nothing here about Conan O'Brien and the video they sent to invinte him into finland due to it's resemblance to Tarja Halonen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.138.0.158 (talk) 23:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Because it's pretty unencyclopedic. --TonyM ^{ｷﾀ━( °∀° )━ｯ!!} 11:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

The origin of the name Turku

Hi! I have read the article but I could not find the origin of the name Turku! Where does the name Turku come from? Does it have any historical affiliation with Turks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.232.35.51 (talk) 17:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

According to the Finnish wikipedia article about Turku, the name comes from the ancient Russian word tǔrgǔ, which means "[city] square".--MoRsE 18:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Orginally the Russian word is the same as Finnish "tori", both derived from Norse "torg". --Drieakko 22:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

There's a Finnish expression "maailman turuilla", meaning "at the forums/marketplaces of the world" but seeming like meaning "at the Turkus of the world", so it reinforces the etymology given above. JIP | Talk 12:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

There are about as many "accepted" etymologies for "Turku" as there are linguists who have taken an interest in the matter. To mention any one of them without mentioning them all would not be proper. Also, the statement of "maailman turuilla" meaning "at the forums/marketplaces of the world" is highly disputable. 213.138.152.225 (talk) 11:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Åbo

I'd like to hear comments on the pronunciation of Åbo. It sounds to me very strange, very Danish. Samulili 22:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

/o:bu:/ --nlitement ^[talk] 13:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

You mean the audio file in the article? The pronounciation is flawless, it's just that it sounds a bit Riksvensk, i.e. as if the speaker were Swedish. -Juhoi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.150.152 (talk) 22:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

The initial "uhmm" (?) sound should be removed. The rest sounds fairly correct, however the accent sounds unusual.Fredrikjj (talk) 11:38, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Climate

An anon user removed the January temperature in Turku of -25°C with a rather unhelpful comment "Absolutely wrong." Now, is this supposed to be an average or extreme temperature? As an average, it is very much wrong, I agree. But as an extreme, I am sure it does happen, possibly even colder temperatures once in a while. JIP | Talk 17:26, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

My feeling (as of personal experience) is that -25°C is about typical minimum temperature in Turku; the temperature is below -20°C a week or so most (?) years. There have been winters with temperatures below -30°C in daytime (last such in the 80's). The numbers in the article seem to be based on median temperatures averaging out these extremes. --LPfi (talk) 08:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Motto?

I removed the motto "Turku - Meri-Suomen keskus (Turku - the center of Sea-Finland)" [1]. I've been around for a while but I have never heard it, nor has Google. In general, mottos are very rare in Finland. Samulili 15:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Ive been around for a while aswell and atleast few years ago "Turku - Meri-Suomen keskus" was the official motto of the city. I found this information also in one webpage in google[2]. Jontts

Inpsired by that link, I went through a whole bunch of related and unrelated documents I could find at www.turku.fi and none of them had such motto. If it was in use in 2004, it must've have dropped out after that. Samulili 09:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I contacted the city's commincations centre on this and their answer was that Turku has no official motto, only different slogans used in the context of different target groups. –Zinjixmaggir 12:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Rivalry Between Cities

"Turku vs. Tampere"-joking, community activities of Tampere University or Tampere's traditional food does not belong in Turku Wikipedia pages. If you wanna advertise this stupidity for some reasons, do it there where it belongs, on Tampere's article or in an article of its own. As citizen of Turku I can assure that "Turku vs. Tampere"-joking is very one sided and Turku is passive side of this "rivalry". "Turku vs. Helsinki" is completely different story in which both sides are active but even then it is not Wikipedia material. Turku is the oldest city of Finland not comedy central. --jertique I (talk) 17:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

As another citizen of Turku since birth, I cannot concur with jertique I's statement that the joking is one sided. I would also like to point out that the Finnish Wikipedia covers this subject and finds it appropriate for an article Wikipedia, so much so that the article in the Finnish Wikipedia has a GA status. Samulili (talk) 15:33, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Turku was never officially founded?

Turku's beginning is not clear. Is very wrong to claim any date for foundation, because there is no proof of any kind of foundation order. All glues are tied to the earlies existing religious documents related to Turku, even the sea port of Turku has existed longer and can be found in same documents of Al Idrisi, 1154 than city of Tallin which has specified its own age according that document. Age of Turku isn't fully confirmed until the first village using river Aura and its mouth as a sea port has been discovered. Most likely Turku is at least 854 years old city like Tallin is. --jertique I (talk) 17:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source for 1154? Samulili (talk) 16:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

How about Al-idiris work it self? How do I use it as a source huh? What is the reliable source for Turku not existing, just because "Turku" was not mentioned when the cross was moved from Nousiainen to Koroinen. It's just a mere guess. In article of the Port of Turku there is mentioning about Al-Idrisi's documents too. And if Tallin#History is located on map by wikipedia first time according to Al-Idrisi, should we remove that? Is there reliable sources maybe? And if there is, why can't we use those? If this is really an issue of missing sources, you as an effcient fellow could put some effort to find them, because the age of Turku is not a simple matter, even though the compact village as it is now could been formated after religious invasion, there sure has been international activity long before that in some villages near the river Aura as some ancient tomb findings has proven. This's the source used for Tallin [3]. Do you really think that it is more reliable than the website[4] I used? --jertique I (talk) 13:47, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Does Al-Idrisi mention port of Turku? According to this professor (in Finnish), it doesn't. I think that it is impossible to find sources that prove that Turku was founded or existed in 1154 because archaelogical findings contradict such a claim. What they do show, however, that the region has been inhabited since several millenia but that is hardly what defines the age of Turku. Samulili (talk) 07:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, point is, that if Wikipedia tells something about earliest known age considering Turku, reader understand is as an absolute fact. And I think it is important reader to comprehend that the region of "Turku" has been continuously active long before founded age. It doesn't matter where the actual village or mere habitation has been, but if it is marked on the map, whatever it name was back then, it must been related to sea port activity and market activity or it wouldn't been on the map. Two names of Turku, first means market square and Aboa "habitation alongside the river/water". "Turku" was like that before it was "founded" as Al Idrisi proves (being on the map means significance as port or market, probably both since one is not possible without other). So the reason why I think Al Idiri should be mentioned is that Turku as a region had international activity and significance before religious invasion and Swedish rule, some what only place in Finland to have on going activity since Viking age and when Finnish folklore was only local religion. Maybe Turku would need prehistoric part on Wiki. --jertique I (talk) 10:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Practically all municipalities in Finland have prehistoric find sites, Turku is in no way exceptional in this regard. It was just another region with a cluster of settlements.--84.251.4.253 (talk) 16:17, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, but in case of Turku, the chain is uncut. In many other municipalities there is no connection between nowadays settlement and the sites found. --jertique I (talk) 19:11, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Continuity of settlement exists almost everywhere.--91.152.196.68 (talk) 17:28, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Ice Hockey vs. Football in Turku

Football is not, repeat, IS NOT the most popular sports in Turku, ice hockey is. TPS (ice hockey) had an average number of spectators around 6400 (6441 to be exact in 2007), and TuTo's average is around 1500. In SM-liiga they play 28 home matches and in Mestis 23 home matches. Overall, ice hockey has over 395 000 spectators per year. In Veikkausliiga (football) all teams play 13 home matches, so local clubs play 26 home matches in total. The capacity of Kupittaa football stadion is 9 000 people, so even if both of the clubs played each match to full audience, there wouldn't be more than 234 000 people. And they don't. In short: ice hockey has almost four times as much audience than football in Turku, so please do not vandalize this article with your "football is the most popular sports in Turku" disinformation and false claims. Thank you! 194.157.193.247 (talk) 16:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't change the fact that football is going up in polularity all the time while ice hockey is coming down fast. And I want to note that TPS has lot of fans outside of Turku when football teams are more locally supported. So the amount of spectators tells more about common polularity of ice hockey in Finland than among citizens of Turku. --91.156.122.109 (talk) 13:14, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

As whole Ice hockey is more popular in Finland than football and I can't see it has yet changed to point where football is more popular. Could you proof that football is more popular than ice hockey in Turku? --82.130.33.188 (talk) 09:27, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

-Not a Turku resident myself, but I too find the statement of football being more popular strange to say the least. Can someone point to any kind of credible source? I know hockey is a huge deal to a lot of Finns, myself excluded, and find it hard to believe that Turku-dwellers could actually have developed such a fine taste in sports. I don't know if stadium capacities or a growing interest have anything to do with it though. 23 sept. 08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.150.152 (talk) 23:09, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Turku International School

I am presently expanding this page which has been nominated for deletion. I should be grateful if any Finnish-reading editors could have a look for sources in Finnish, please? TerriersFan (talk) 18:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Climate table

Could someone fix the climate table by adding record low temperatures for all months? For some reason, if the table is missing a measurement, it creates a very ugly-looking error message. I'd do it myself but I don't have the necessary information about the temperatures. JIP | Talk 19:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

it's still there, and indeed it is very ugly.. this needs fixing 85.150.56.62 (talk) 20:37, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

The age of Turku

IP 210.11.147.24 claims that there is "no uncertainty about when [Turku] was founded" (see edit comment of 2009-08-16). The reference talks about archeological diggings near the church and says that they seem to confirme ("antaa vahvistusta") the belief/estimate ("arvio") that Turku was founded at that time. I think this is evindence that there certainly is uncertainty about the matter. Is there some other source that nows the age of the town for sure? --LPfi (talk) 17:36, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Overlooking what the "founding of a city" means both in general and in the case of Turku, there isn't any serious dispute about when the city was slowly born/founded, and there aren't any worthwhile alternative theory. There are, naturally, open questions and more arcaelogical excavations are needed to answer them but I think that the current content of the article gives a correct view on the subject, although the edit summary is open to some debate. Samulili (talk) 11:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't Turku itself count its age from the date of the letter about the Bishop seat being moved from Nousiainen in 1229? The seat was probably moved to Koroinen (probably an important market place at that time), which is part of the modern Turku. I do not find it unreasonable to regard this as the same town, as probably most activities followed the one and a half kilometres downstream to the new Turku Cathedral. --LPfi (talk) 09:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Swedish / Finnish names

I don't know, but from Eric Christiansen's The Northern Crusades it appears the town was known pretty consistently as Åbo during the Middle Ages. See:

• Christiansen, Erik (1997). The Northern Crusades. London: Penguin Books. ISBN 0-14-026653-4.

Sca (talk) 14:23, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

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Vares series of books and films

Is it worth mentioning that the Vares series of books and films by Reijo Mäki is set in Turku, and in its grim granite jail, Kakola prison?-71.174.188.32 (talk) 23:20, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

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"Formerly in Russian"

In the first sentence of the article: "formerly in Russian: Турку"- That is of course not correct. In Russian the present name is Турку. Formerly (before the Russian revolution - or even later) most places in Finland were called by their Swedish names in Russian. Before 1926 Helsinki was called Гельсингфорс (Helsingfors) etc. So there should be "formerly in Russian Або". --Andhanq (talk) 11:21, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Changed to present and former Russian names. --Andhanq (talk) 21:43, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Image of the Muslim community in Turku

The publicaton Servet-i Fünun has an image of the Muslim community in Turku during World War I (using the Swedish name "Abo") https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129372/663/PFSIF9180829A049%20(1918-08-29).jpg

I'm wondering if the paper wrote about it, but most of its content is in Ottoman Turkish, and that is something Turkish academics would need to read WhisperToMe (talk) 05:45, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Notable people

From the "Notable people" section:

• Jiri "Linkzr" Masalin, Professional Overwatch player for the team Houston Outlaws and two time player for Finland in the Overwatch World Cup
• Joona "Fragi" Laine, Former professional Overwatch player for the Philadelphia Fusion, and briefly for the Guangzhou Charge
• Aleksi "Zuppeh" Kunti, former professional Overwatch player for the Florida Mayhem and team Gigantti
• Joonas "Zappis" Alakurti, retired professional Overwatch player for the Florida Mayhem and team Gigantti

Are they really notable? Should they be kept in the list of removed? JIP | Talk 21:17, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Turku's "canteen and café culture"?

"Turku's canteen and café culture has often been compared to French food culture, which is why Turku has also been perceived as the "Paris of Finland"" - this seems to reflect a communication point by commercial structures (e.g. a commercial advertisement page for Paulig "parisian" coffee brand, and Turku's official tourist page, cited as a references), not any cultural reality. If there are no proper references, I don't think Wikipedia should be relaying commercials as facts. Besides, there actually is no special food/café culture in Turku to speak of, compared to other large Finnish cities. 2001:999:60C:81F7:10:2030:4050:2 (talk) 16:34, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Urban area density

The infobox incorrectly states that the population density of the Turku urban area is 9,993/km2 which is totally false. If that was true it would mean that Turku has a much higher urban population density than for example Paris (3,800/km2) or Los Angeles (2,886.6/km2) which of course is not true. According to Finnish Wikipedia the right urban density of Turku is 993/km2. When I try to edit it some idiot canceled my edit. So could someone please fix it. Turku urban area is not as densely populated as Delhi for crying out loud. Talk 15:56, 20 December 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.115.83.233 (talk)