Talk:Tolkien and the medieval

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Review: February 4, 2023. (Reviewed version).

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: LunaEatsTuna (talk · contribs) 04:12, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Claiming this. Will get to this either tonight or (more likely) tomorrow :) 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 04:12, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that! Okay, it is now on hold, comments below, ping me, yada yada yada. Thanks, 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 19:25, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

LunaEatsTuna, I think we're complete here now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:47, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work on the changes! I am now happy to pass this article for GA status. Congrats! 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 22:03, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio check[edit]

Earwig says good to go.

Noted.

Files[edit]

All images are relevant, high quality and copyright-free:

File:Two Fishermen on an Aspidochelone, c. 1270 (cropped) (cropped).JPG: valid public domain rationale;

File:Witan hexateuch.jpg: valid public domain rationale;

File:Downfall of Númenor.svg: CC-BY-SA 4.0, uploaded to Commons by nominator;

File:Rolfs sidste kamp - Louis Moe (17009) - cropped.png: valid public domain rationale;

File:Normans Bayeux.jpg: CC-BY-SA 3.0;

File:Finwë Lozenge.png: CC-BY-SA 4.0;

File:GOTHMOG-1 (detail).jpg: CC-BY-SA 3.0;

File:Hunting Horn MET sf17-190-379s1.jpg: valid public domain rationale.

Noted.

Prose[edit]

I have an issue with the lead sentence, particularly the line "especially poetry, and made use of it in his writings both in his poetry" – just reads jaded by using "poetry" and "his" twice.

Edited.

Wikilink "the Middle Ages" or add the main article template to § The Middle Ages.

Linked. 'Main' wouldn't work here.

Wikilinking "By the sixth century, Anglo-Saxon England" to History of Anglo-Saxon England creates quite the sea of blue. Any alternative ways of linking available?

Done.

"Tolkien stated that when he read a medieval work, he wanted to write a modern one in the same tradition." – this reads a bit singular; could it possibly by rephrased to something like "Tolkien stated that whenever he read a medieval work, he wanted to write a modern one in the same tradition." etc?

Done.

"expression in his legendarium." – wikilink Tolkien's legendarium.

Done.

"but these are interwoven with classical ideas like Atlantis on the one hand, and modern cosmology with a round world on the other." – I could be incorrect but "on the one hard" sounds fairly informal to me.

I'd say it was quite standard, but I've reworded.

"like Christian angels" – could this not be wikilinked to Angels in Christianity? Granted that article is in bad shape :/ Also:

Done.

The sentence has a number of appositives that make it a bit hard to read; could it be rephrased?

Split.

"and northern courage" – northern courage?

Edited.

"In Tolkien as in the medieval epics" – this wording is kinda strange to me.

Edited.

The sentence starting "Scholars note that Tolkien went" is quite long. Could it perhaps be split?

Split.

"into the form of an animal, like Beorn" – already wikilinked in § Beowulf.

Gone.

Refs[edit]

All sources used are RS. Spotcheck—no concerns with refs 3, 4, 10, 20, 26 or 38.

Noted.

But I cannot seem to find what ref 16 is citing?

The elegiac tone, i.e. in Burns's case, the acceptance of downfall and death in Norse mythology ("the North").

I see!

All refs in Secondary use full stops whilst those in Primary do not; is there a reason for this?

No idea why that happens. Fixed.

Other[edit]

Templates, navs and cats good.

Noted.

Add a short description.

Done.

Recommend adding template:Use dmy dates.

Done.

Recommend adding WP:ALT text if you can.

Added.

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