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The assorted links to specific strips are broken. Someone should either take the time to fix them or they should be removed.

  • I noticed that too. I already fixed weeaboo, I'll go fix the rest.--Capibara 20:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems it's not purely a webcomic - at any rate The Guardian is planning to start publishing it soon. Does it have any (other) offline syndication yet? -86.134.115.85 20:07, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

It is published in the Baltimore City Paper and The Pheonix and a few others to my knowledge (there is a complete list on the website, but the website is currently down). It started publishing online after it won a contest I believe, a contest for a spot in a newspaper (Baltimore City Paper?), but most people know of it through a website. It may or may not be more accurate to say it is a newspaper comic published online. 136.167.208.254 16:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

"for example, sex is used to gently mock religion by implying that God is a pervert." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Bible_Fellowship Article This seems to be a bit of a jump. Is it mocking religion or is it using the juxtaposition of the greater being doing something pervy to make a joke? I'd drop this phrase.

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Agree with previous. And 'gently'? Also, although the comic is hilarious (imo), isnt this article overboard in its detailed desciption? The comicdoend't have that much of a history yet although no doubt it will do. I've tried to genaralise it a bit more, i've left the descriptions but removed the links to the individual comics... otherwise the place would be full of links. I've also added a bit about the general extremness of the themes but that there is no full-forntal nudity. 86.135.159.172 23rd september.

Correct title?

On the PBF site, the title on the banner is actually "The Perry Bible Fellowship". I was just wondering whether the title of the entry should be change to correspond correctly -- MacAddct1984 07:21, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

"The" is part of the name but should be dropped in situations such as "did you see the new perry bible fellowship cartoon." -- Dan Reitz 17:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, the "the" on the link is lowercase, wheras the rest of the name is capitalised, so it's questionable whether the article is part of the name or not. In the Guardian article linked to in the entry, however, it's referred to as "The Perry Bible Fellowship". Having found last Friday's Guardian, it's simply labelled as "Perry Bible Fellowship", so there's plenty of argument both ways. -Sam Pointon 07:46, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
On the bio page, the author says The name of the weekly comic strip that I draw is "The Perry Bible Fellowship." On the website, it seems to be referred to as either BPF, or The Perry Bible Fellowship with "The" sometimes capitalized, and sometimes not. It appears we should move this page, but I'm going to wait for someone else to agree with me before moving it.Quentin mcalmott 22:57, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Move it. ☢ Ҡieff⌇↯ 16:31, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Late to the argument...but I say change it. Going on a stretch here, but..take Homestarrunner for example. they have a character called The Cheat. not just Cheat, but The Cheat. So..yeah. Luca 6:06, 25 February 2006 (EST)


Moving it. --Switch 14:55, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Big words?

This edit: [1] was made by User:DyslexicEditor saying he does not like big words. I think that with wikipedia being an encyclopedia, using "big words" is not a problem; it should be encouraged so that its users learn new things. In fact, I recall actually learning the meaning of "juxtaposition" right after reading it in this very article. I'm reverting the edit. Wouter Lievens 12:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

The dictionary said it meant to "juxtapose" and then it was vague on that. I changed it because I was reading the article and couldn't read it clearly until I changed that jibberish to something clear. DyslexicEditor 13:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia's article on Juxtaposition was clear enough to me. I'm sure your dictionary has a more useful entry on "juxtapose", then. Wouter Lievens 13:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Webcomic

As it is pointed out above, this is not only on the Internet, and in fact I found it early in its run in the Baltimore City Paper. What makes this a webcomic and not a regular comic strip? --Chris Griswold 20:20, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Fixed it. Ausir 06:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Section on the Skub internet phenomenon?

Since it redirects here, there should be a section relating to the huge internet phenomenon on skub. --Mystalic 13:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about?--Drat (Talk) 10:02, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
"Skub" redirects here. There should be a section on it. Klosterdev 04:19, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

skub redirects here but the article does not mention skub. Quit creating these dead redirects. --84.30.90.199 23:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, do something about it. This is wikipedia, do it yourself. - STAREYe 01:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Same thing for weeaboo. I have no idea what that means, nor why I got redirected here, since there is no mention of that word in the article.213.172.254.64 14:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

There's no real point in having a section for one strip, just because some people may not get the joke. Plus I thought Skub was pretty obvious. 70.39.158.78 21:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's the point. The idea is that people put 'weeaboo' or 'skub' into wikipedia because they want to know what it's all about, then get redirected here; a page which contains neither words. That's probably pretty confusing if you don't know what's going on. --83.67.100.40 17:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
It's a poser, isn't it? Weeaboo seems to be a genuine internet phenomenon, but not a large one nor a notable part of PBF. Here's the link, anyway. --Kizor 09:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Since "weeaboo" redirects here, I added mention of the word. It really should be redirecting to "Japanophile", "Wapanese", and/or "4chan", anyhow, seeing as it's the 4channers who made a big deal about that. — Rickyrab | Talk 17:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Weeaboo

Weeaboo was the wordfilter for wapanese on 4chan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.106.4.37 (talk) 03:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

I don't think anyone uses weeaboo outside 4chan
That's what I heard too. We need someone to bring in a reliable source on this if we're to keep the 4chan reference thing. Of course, there's so many reasons against it, such as "wikipedia is not a dictionary", on top of the others I listed in my addition below TheBilly 06:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I do not even understand why weeaboo links to this page. What is the connection? Izzyisme Sunday, 2007-03-25 T 23:02 (UTC)
Okay, here's the weeaboo comic from the Perry Bible Fellowship [hereafter mentioned as "PBF"] website: http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=0PBF61009BC-Weeaboo.jpg#63 First off, let me say 4chan has absolutely no connections to PBF Comics. In the comic we have absolutely no definition of what a "weeaboo" is, the joke is that the business men are completely wasting their valuable time on some sort of inside joke where a person gets paddled for mentioning the word "weeaboo" [somewhat like the circle game, where if you look at a person making a circle with their hand below their waist you get punched]. Now then, at 4chan there was a term called "wapanese" which can be defined as "a person who is ridiculously in love with Japanese culture" note the connection of the words "want [to be]" and "Japanese" create "wapanese". The term became a popular internet turn of phrase [like "lol"], at least in the 4chan realm. For whatever reason, Moot or one of the admins of 4chan, either disliked the popularity of the phrase or thought it was just dumb, so whenever somebody typed "wapanese" it was automatically word-filtered to "weeaboo".
It should be noted that the term "weeaboo" is used in a negative connotation. A weeaboo can also be deemed as a "misfit in society" either because [a] the person feels like a misfit in their own white society, so they embrace Japan's culture, or [b] they simply like Japan's culture better than their own [note: [b] is often the case in point, which later leads to [a]. They simply like Japan's culture better, embrace it as their new culture and then they become a misfit from their own white society, in which case it becomes absolutely hilarious to mock them for it.] Hatefully calling somebody a weeaboo in an attempt to publicly humiliate them is all together not that different from the last panel of the PBF comic, in which the person is paddled for saying/being a "weeaboo".
Examples of a weeaboo:
Since 4chan's world filter, the phrase "weeaboo" has been synonymous with "wapanese". [Note: as of lately 4chan has been changing their word-filters, but even though "wapanese" may not be filtered into "weeaboo" anymore, people simply use the phrase "weeaboo" instead.] Now whenever somebody mentions a "weeaboo" it's common to find the comic strip in it's entirety, or just the panel where the guy says "did somebody just saw 'weeaboo'? Because I think I just heard somebody say 'weeaboo'" posted shortly afterwards. Alternatively, if somebody seems to be a little too much in love with Japanese culture, the panel may be posted without text, insinuating that there is a "weeaboo" present. ARBlackwood 01:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I see your point. Then shouldn't "weeaboo" link to 4chan and include a description of what the term means. A link to The Perry Bible Fellowship could be included in the 4chan article which would state that the term was derived from that comic. Though it originated in The Perry Bible Fellowship, it is used commonly in 4chan. Izzyisme 19:28:30, Apr. 05 2007 (UTC)
You know, ARBlackwood's sphiel would make a good article. I say we just copy and paste it into its own weeaboo article. Make it a stub and ask for citations. They probably exist somewhere. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JamesThurber (talk • contribs) 16:40, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

Interesting how no one mentions the word "otaku" once. I lurk 4chan quite a bit, and "weeaboo" seems to be a derogatory term for Western otaku, and it can also apply to white people who are obsessed with Japanese culture. The word "weeaboo" definitely has a connection to the words otaku and Japanophile. --Mathew Williams 01:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Hiatus?

I don't think the website has been updated for several weeks, which is unusual for the comic. Is this worth noting? 128.12.108.47 22:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a note on the website.[2].--Drat (Talk) 03:27, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Origin of the comic's name

Taken from an interview with Nicholas Gurewitch [3]

What are you most often asked about PBF? The first question in this interview, about the title. To answer you, it’s derived from a poster that my friend and I encountered our freshman year. We were hunting for a name for the comic, and both just smiled at eachother when we saw it, because we knew it was perfectly strange. The idea of a comic strip having any kind of religious agenda is pretty dang compelling to me. Funny even. Perhaps it’s my own way of dealing with my Christian upbringing. Who knows. Score another point for whimsy.

Thought it might be worth putting in somewhere? -- MacAddct1984  05:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Remove 4chan reference

This is original research: "New synthesis of existing information". WP:NOR
"....made up in school one day...." WP:NOT This is probably wrong anyway. The story I heard is that the term caught on due to a wordfilter; some word relating to japanophiles/otaku/wapanese - most likely wapanese - was wordfiltered to "weeaboo", as the admins do commonly. If we're going to keep this reference, find actual information of its origins and link to that, rather than juxtaposing 2 links to justify a synthesized, new, original thought. I'm deleting it mericlessly with a description of "see talk" TheBilly 06:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Um, weeaboo redirects to this article (Perry Bible Fellowship). It would do well to point out what the word refers to. — Rickyrab | Talk 14:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I fixed that redirect; it now redirects to List of 4chan memes, where it belongs. I'll redirect to 4chan if the list isn't deemed worthy of keeping as a separate article upon deletion review (which hasn't been conducted yet, but I suspect it will, seeing as it's a new article). — Rickyrab | Talk 14:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

simplistic human figures with smiley faces for heads

The article says something along those lines, and I presumed those characters were supposed to be Pillsbury Dough people. The author's e-mail is "pillsburysoldier". Should this be changed in the article? Is it an obvious fact or am I nuts? - EgyptianSushi 13:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

It'd be speculation.--Drat (Talk) 23:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Can someone figure out....

Why doesn't the art section show up? It's there when I edit the page, but not when I save. Rmj12345 20:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It has always seemed to show up to me. It's there. - EgyptianSushi 21:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Fixed it, it was a ref problem. Thanks! Rmj12345 21:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

still start-class?

Okay, maybe this should be start-class. But what content is needed to bump it up? +Justin (Jldb) 21:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

weeaboo

Did you guys know that searching for "weeaboo" and pressing go leads here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.7.44.182 (talk) 04:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it seems to have been decided to permanently redirect Weeaboo to PBF. Haplolology Talk/Contributions 15:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Good point. I have brought this up with the admin who protected it[4]. -Verdatum (talk) 20:42, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Art Section Original research

The entire section titled "Art" is WP:OR. You can't reference the comic itself as evidence that it reflects a certain style. You have to reference a secondary source, in this case, it would probably be an interview with the artist, where he describes his specific influences. -Verdatum 17:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Followup, removed the offending section, left in claims that would be generally undisputed. -Verdatum (talk) 20:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Biography of the author

Since the article includes facts about the author, please watch out for potentially libellous claims. Thank you. Comte0 (talk) 15:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

"Updated infrequently" or "Discontinued"?

We've got two sources, the one presently in the article from Feb 19th that states (in detail) PBF is going to an infrequent update version, while an anon has added another article that is really short and says "it's ending". The second article seems like an extreme read of the first one, in that yes, the comic is "ending" in that likely it won't be published in papers, but the Feb 19th one suggests he will still draw PBF when he feels like it.

I would take the first source over the second, and thus keep this at "Updated infrequently", and definitely not "discontinued". --MASEM 16:49, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

About the hiatus

This article may be appropriate (lots of detail and quotes). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anticogot (talk • contribs) 11:29, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Already been linked in the main article, but it's kind of buried. I dont think people are seeing it. =) Haplolology Talk/Contributions 14:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Strip Panel Count

PBF only has three panel comics. It even shows that in the illustration upon reaching the main page. This needs to be corrected in the first paragraph of the body. Centrisian (talk) 03:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

  • [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] this is only in the most recent ten. NINE out of TEN have 4 or more panels. = ∫tc 5th Eye 03:14, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
  • And there are also some with only two panels. As the article currently reads -- "usually three or four panels" -- is fine. --Dragonfiend (talk) 05:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Website down

For a few days I've been unable to connect to the official pbfcomic website. It also seems like it has disappeared from google's results. Maybe the links in the article should be modified to reflect this? Hopefully there is a mirror somewhere that archived all of the comics. 82.231.249.158 (talk) 14:38, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I noticed the same thing. I don't know what happened to the site, but it certainly isn't working right now. --Mike | Contrib 02:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
It's working now, but all it says is, "Site down for maintenence [sic]. Back up soon." I'm not sure as to when exactly this happened as I don't check it every day; probably within the past seven days though. --98.190.57.198 (talk) 16:23, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
It's fully back up now. Snesmaster40 (talk) 12:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

It's down again now- how long has that been for? Just a placeholder webpage remains- quite a big sign for discontuing, should be in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.66.72 (talk) 00:11, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

New Developments

Nick has posted the following update in the left-hand column of his website:

Goings On (1/10/09)

The PBF Almanack will be coming out in February. It features a good interview with David Malki!

Still waiting to hear back from Channel 4 about the pilot.

Nick Abadzis got my package.

-Nick G

He also says in the "About the PBF" section that "He hasn't made [a comic] in a while, but he might soon." --98.190.57.198 (talk) 18:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

New Strips?

http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF027-Suck_Note.gif http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF034-Space_Disaster.jpg http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF063-Master_Yoshi.jpg http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF102-Rhino_and_Boy.gif These weren't there before, were they? I'm not the only person who thinks so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seanpatnaude (talk • contribs) 21:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Those are some of the oldest strips and have been there for years.--Stranger Dan (talk) 03:09, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I found out that they have been removed and then recently placed back on. http://web.archive.org/web/20080214110222/http://www.pbfcomics.com/ I didn't realize that. I only discovered PBF about a month before he retired.--Seanpatnaude (talk) 10:26, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Official site down.

The official site seems to be down. Is this permanent? Otherwise me might have to delete the link at the bottom of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.163.212.35 (talk) 07:36, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Looks like he forgot to pay for his hosting/domain renewal. It was working 2 days ago.
Even if it is permanently dead (I'll check back over the next week or so, to see if it's revived), see WP:DEADLINK for instructions on how to deal with these in general. -- Quiddity (talk) 17:21, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Skub, an article failure

I came here looking for information on the Skub internet phenomenon however even though the page is redirected from Skub it contains no explanation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.105.63 (talk) 13:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

The comic: Skub
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Skub, and the section above on this page #Section on the Skub internet phenomenon?. I think "internet phenomenon" is perhaps overstating the case... -- Quiddity (talk) 20:27, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

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