Talk:The Legacy (professional wrestling)

Finally

I know its not a forum i just want to say Finally! they get a page! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.185.144.155 (talk) 19:11, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Tag team Gold

Hey does the Tag Team championships Priceless won count towards Legacy or not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.167.109 (talk) 02:22, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I would say no. They won it both times before The Legacy existed, so it I don't think it counts. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 11:49, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, while the page details Priceless that is very much a background section. Perhaps if The Legacy split up and Rhodes & DiBiase continue to team together this article might cater to both, but then there's probably be two seperate C&A sections. Tony2Times (talk) 12:05, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

According to Prowrestling.com... "Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase are no longer be referred to as "Priceless," reports the F4W Newsletter. Rather, they will simply referred to as "Legacy." WWE recently issued a directive to the announcers regarding the change." Therefore, shouldn't the tag team titles now be added as they are no longer "Priceless", but Legacy? 71.185.49.253 (talk) 03:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

No because we can't retroactively become The Legacy. We don't follow the whim of WWE PR - they didn't win the belts when The Legacy was formed, thus they don't go in. In the infobox the formation date is January 2009 - any belt won after this time will be won by The Legacy. Tony2Times (talk) 19:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

According to WWE.com under their top 50 tag teams of all time the Legacy had the Tag Team Titles listed as part of thier accomplishments. Thus we need to add it. If wwe says that's part of their run then it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.226.210.21 (talk) 19:39, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Saggs & Tugboat

Is the statement about them being uncles of Cody Rhodes true? That's something that should definitely be sourced. Neither Saggs' nor Tugboat's wikipedia pages mention a relation to the Rhodes family either. Dahumorist (talk) 15:32, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Admittedly I copied it straight after from Rhodes' own page. Can't remember if it's sourced there or not. Tony2Times (talk) 15:44, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I know on one episode of Legends of Wrestling on the WWE 24/7 channel Dusty Rhodes metioned Tugboat when he was the Shockmaster and how Cody called him Unlce Fred when his helmet fell off but that could just mean that there simply very close friends of the Family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.167.109 (talk) 03:02, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

It's sourced on Rhodes page, so I've added the source in here as well. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 06:42, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Goldust

Should't it be said that Goldust is play by Rode real brother —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike (talk • contribs) 02:27, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I considered mentioning it but he's the same generation as Dustin so it's not too pertinent to their gimmick. We don't mention Brett or Mike DiBiase II either. Tony2Times (talk) 12:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Probs

Firstly I don't think all Rhodes family should be mentioned; for that should be left for Rhodes page.--Senkris (talk) 13:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Secondly - the stable's Legacy--Senkris (talk) 13:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, why should Rhodes' family members be truncated but DiBiase's and Orton's shouldn't? Secondly, they are referred to variously with or without the definite article; their t-shirt and logo says The Legacy. Tony2Times (talk) 14:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Basically with Rhodes I was referring to Rhodes but do the math - all of them. And also - The article seems to be mainly about Orton without almost a single mention of Rhodes and DiBiase (for example their feud with the Colons)--Senkris (talk) 22:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Well you just mentioned Rhodes without a single mention of Orton's and DiBiase's family so you just committed the same offence. Also, being as the entire concept of the stable, their title and their slogan born better is to do with being descended from wrestlers, their uncles are their descendents. Also the reason most of the article focusses on Orton is because most of The Legacy's screentime has focussed on Orton with sadly Rhodes & DiBiase becoming whipping boys since they joined. Their feud with The Colóns, all of two matches, is part of a currently ongoing feud and thus isn't mentioned in the article yet. If they win the belts at The Bash, then it'll make the article, if they lose and the feud continues then we'll have to wait until something big happens for it to wait. Note how Orton's current feud with Triple H isn't mentioned. I'm very keen to add some stuff for the whole group, but we have to wait for them to have done something first. Tony2Times (talk) 23:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Great then :D --Senkris (talk) 13:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Name Dispute

I know it's been brought up before but the name of the stable is "Legacy", not "The Legacy". It doesn't really matter what's printed on T-Shirts and other merchandise, on Raw they're referenced as being collectively known as "Legacy" and throughout WWE.COM and even on WWEShop.com and WWEEuroshop.com, they are also referenced as being named "Legacy". Though when they first formed I'm sure they were known as "The Legacy" but after a couple of weeks, "The" was dropped from the name but it was too late to change Legacy's merchandise. --Cool King (talk) 16:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Their merchandise didn't appear for quite a while after the formed, plus even this week in the P25 they were referred to with the definite article [1]. Tony2Times (talk) 15:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Well apparently, the announcers are being infromed to call DiBiase & Rhodes "Legacy" and not "Priceless".[2] It seems a bit odd to call those guys "Legacy" but call them "The Legacy" when they have Orton with them. Also, I haven't heard them being called "The Legacy" on TV for quite some time now. But I guess The Bash tonight might solve the name dispute if we listen to see what they're called throughout the PPV or something.Cool King (talk) 20:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not denying that they do call them Legacy but wzronline like almost all dirt sheets works on rumour and hearsay, the same places suggested Flair had resigned to WWE when his press team just released news that he hasn't and are often wrong. I can't ever really remember the announce team ever calling R&D Priceless as a name, so much as a monikor to begin with. Certainly Michael Cole calls them Legacy without the definite article and it's very noticable but when Orton announced the group to begin with it was called The Legacy. Their inconsistencies are readily apparant as at Backlash; the card graphic called them Legacy, the match results see them billed as Orton and The Legacy while Garcia announced them by their surnames alone. I doubt tonight would solve the dispute as WWE seldom bills teams&stables under their name, much to my chagrin, and I imagine more inconsistency will reign. Also tonight is just Rhodes&DiBiase, not all three of them and the match preview is simply billing them as so. I don't think there is one definitive answer. Tony2Times (talk) 20:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Apologies for bringing this up again but I couldn't help but notice that last night on Raw, Orton, Rhodes and DiBiase were shown as collectively being named as "Legacy". I thought that maybe that would put an end to the name dispute. As for a while now, they have just been reffered to as being named "Legacy" via conversation, but I believe for the first time, they have been labeled as being collectively named as "Legacy" via text on television.[3]. Cool King (talk) 21:20, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Yup they did on Monday and for your argument it wasn't the first time either - at Backlash the preview card billed them as Legacy yet for the same event the website preview/results read Randy Orton & The Legacy while here on the Power 25 Cody and Ted are referred to as The Legacy members. I'm not denying they are referred to without the definite article but there is simply no consistency. Also another reason, though I can't quote chapter and verse, was the precedent set by TNA's Main Event Mafia which don't feature "the" ever anywhere about them yet still their article is titled The Main Event Mafia. As I say I can't quote chapter, but the person who created it cited some form of Wiki policy about proper titling needing The in there. Tony2Times (talk) 22:09, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't quote me on this, but is WP:THE what you mean Tony? ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 22:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't remember for sure but that sounds about right. I would argue that without an article legacy has a different meaning to The Legacy and also when written (on the occasions WWE do use the article at least) I've always seen The capitalised. I think/hope I'm understanding that page correctly in asserting the article. Tony2Times (talk) 23:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

It's always been Legacy up until last Monday (10 August 2009), when their Titantron logo clearly showed the The, as well as their title card, and the announcers began clearly stating the The as well. This sudden turn represents a decisive change in WWE policy in which the official name for the group (as well as Rhodes and DiBiase without Orton) is The Legacy. This policy strongly infers that it was simply Legacy before. Actually, without Orton, the duo were referred to as Priceless, but that is being phased out, it seems, and may, as a name, only be affiliated with DiBiase (as his father was the 'Million Dollar Man'). NathanJ1979 (talk) 23:49, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Their TitanTron video that they've had since July, maybe June? The same logo that's taken from their t-shirts that they've had since March time? The Legacy and Legacy are used interchangably. The duo were only referred to as Priceless once, in the Slammy Awards show. Tony2Times (talk) 13:23, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Per WP:THE, the article's name should be "The Legacy".--WillC 14:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Theme music

When I originally wrote the article I put in Priceless and Voices as the group's theme but then I later had the thought that when appearing as a threesome the group exclusively used Voices. Now The Legacy has a new theme song by Adelitas Way yet when the three of them faced Green, Helmsley and Cena on Monday they still entered using Voices. So if we are to list music exclusively used by the group as a whole then it would still have to be solely Voices, whereas if we list music used by members of the group during their tenure we should reinsert Priceless. Tony2Times (talk) 01:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I've added "Priceless" with a source. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 11:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Running punt

I don't know where in this article this would go (concept/gimmick perhaps) or even if it fits here but as well as being multi-generational wrestlers, the group has, or used to have, a bit of a running theme of hospitalising others. In December the proto group took out Batista for four months, then afterwards Vince, Stephanie, Triple H, Shane and Batista again. I know it's already in the prose but it's quite spread out, I wondered if it could do with a succinctive mention in the intro or gimmick section. Tony2Times (talk) 13:22, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Legacy (professional wrestling)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

I'll just start from the top and make a list of any problems I find. :)

Lead

• Add the line "|image_size=300px" to the infobox under the "|image=" line. 300px is the maximum an image should be in the lead, and it's needed here to see the picture well enough.

Done. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• "all the members are multi-generational wrestlers, and the name The Legacy is a reference to their extensive family histories in wrestling." -> ""

I personally find that a bit wordy, not to mention redundant. The fact that it says "multi-generational wrestler" means that family members were professional wrestlers before them, so why does that need to be included? Basically, why do we need to state the same information in two different way in the same sentence? I'd like 'Blue's opinion on this. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

You're right, it's too wordy on a second look. How about "each member is a multi-generation superstar. The name "The Legacy" is a reference to their extensive family histories in wrestling."

This seems somewhat fine. Though, I'd like Nici and Tony's opinion on it. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 19:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I've done it, but I replaced "superstar" with "wrestler". I'm not sure when the name "superstar" was first applied to WWE wrestler, but I'm fairly sure that Michael DiBiase wasn't known as a superstar, hence why I said wrestler for accuracy reasons. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Sometime after Superstar Billy Graham retired I think which makes it pretty much impossible. We should probably avoid the term superstar anyway as it's a PR term, not a job/profession. Michael Jackson is a superstar but I bet his suplexes left a lot to be desired. Tony2Times (talk) 20:27, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• "In June 2008, Rhodes and DiBiase first formed an alliance after winning the World Tag Team Championship, in which Rhodes turned on his former partner, Hardcore Holly." -> "In June 2008, Rhodes and DiBiase first formed an alliance after winning the World Tag Team Championship at Whatever the PPV was, in which Rhodes betrayed his original partner, Hardcore Holly, to align with DiBiase."

Done, but with a slight tweak to the wording. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• "Soon after, they tried to earn Orton's respect, which they eventually did." -> change "they" to "the pair".

Done. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• "The team also wrestled together in a tag team match to win the WWE Championship for Orton." - just make a note of where.

Done. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Concept

• Being that the first sentence is a copy of the lead, copy the revised sentence that I suggested above (but preferably alter it a bit so it's not the exact same in both sections).

Same as above. I'd like 'Blue's opinion again. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

See my revised suggestion above. iMatthew ^talk at 19:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• For consistency with Orton, change "Ted DiBiase's father, Ted DiBiase, and adoptive grandfather, Mike DiBiase." to "Ted DiBiase's father (Ted DiBiase), and adoptive grandfather (Mike DiBiase).
• "DiBiase's grandmother, Helen Hild, was also a professional wrestler.[4] Cody Rhodes' father, "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes was a professional wrestler along with two of Rhodes' uncles, Jerry Sags and Fred Ottman." - again, use parenthesis.

I've reworded it a bit so each member has their own sentence, where before Orton&Ted shared one. I've also tried to make it less of a sentence list so hopefully it's not too verbose. Tony2Times (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• "in storyline all the members" - "in storyline, all three members"

Why remove that? It's because of the fact that are they are second/thrid wrestlers that they think they're better than the other wrestlers. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Changing that comma completely changes the intonation of the sentence to imply that they are only generation wrestlers in kayfabe. Tony2Times (talk) 17:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean remove it, I was referring to changing the last part of the sentence. I've fixed it. iMatthew ^talk at 19:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

In which case, Tony's point stands. You want it changed to "Due to their status as second or third generation wrestlers in storyline, all the members of The Legacy" which would imply that they're only multi-generational in storyline, which is incorrect. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• "of which Orton was a member, but Rhodes and DiBiase" - period after "member" and start the new sentence with "Rhodes and DiBiase"

I find "of which Orton was a member" an odd word choice, maybe this should be changed altogether. Tony2Times (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

It's worded that way because a preposition (e.g. "in", "of") should never be used at the end of a sentence - it's grammatically incorrect. It should "of which he was a member", not "which he was a member of". ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Formation (2008)

• "and meant that he and DiBiase won the championship." -> "as he and DiBiase won the championship."

That makes it sound like they became heels because they won the championship rather than turning on Holly. Tony2Times (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

OK. iMatthew ^talk at 19:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• "The two responded by assaulting Cryme Tyme and introducing another second generation wrestler, Afa the Wild Samoan's son Manu, at Unforgiven, though this still did not impress Orton." - too many commas and sentence break. Try to clean it up a bit.

Attempted. Tony2Times (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• "took place; Rhodes..." -> "took place where Rhodes..."
• "assaulted World Heavyweight Champion CM Punk to allow Orton" - Period after CM Punk. Next sentence should start with "This allowed Orton"

Changed both sentences. Tony2Times (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Feud with the McMahon family

• "Orton maintained he was owed an apology which angered McMahon, but as he was about to fire him, Orton slapped McMahon and gave him a running punt leaving him hospitalized in the storyline." the first part needs a re-wording tweak. Also, give running punt it's proper wikilink.

Re-worded some. Also given punt a wikilink though it's linked in the former paragraph. Tony2Times (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• "during the 30-man Royal Rumble match the group worked as a team, making them three of the last four contestants in the ring, with Triple H as the other." - comma after "match" and remove the comma after "ring"
• "unconscious" needs a link, it's not a very common word.

I've done so, but is it uncommon? Tony2Times (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

No, it's not uncommon. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 19:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Orton as WWE Champion

• Nothing -_-

In wrestling and the rest

• Why aren't all of the finishers sourced?

Done. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• He won the Royal Rumble match, so make it clear that he didn't win the whole Royal Rumble. :P

I'm not sure what you mean here, or what you want done. It's formatted the exact same way as every other article (or Royal Rubmle winners anyway). See Randy Orton, Triple H, Ric Flair, The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Dwayne Johnson, etc. This is the standard. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean link to the match section of the article? :S Tony2Times (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I mean. iMatthew ^talk at 19:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll leave it on hold, good luck with the fixes. iMatthew ^talk at 13:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

• Made a minor change myself, everything seems to be OK. Pass. iMatthew ^talk at 19:53, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:56, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Priceless Tag Team Gold Revisited

I believe the tag team gold should be included in the titles section and here's why:

1. There is no page for Priceless, everything about the tag team, including events prior to them teaming, is listed on this page

2. One could argue that the association between Rhodes, Dibiasse, and Orton started earlier than the page gives credit for.

When they were tag team champions the 3 of the them teamed up with Man to take out CM Punk.

3. Priceless could be considered a pre-Legacy faction that developed into Legacy

4. When listing the titles they could have an added message like "Won while still considered 'Priceless'

24.168.27.158 (talk) 20:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

The team were never called Priceless, it was a fan given sobriquet. There is no page for them, granted, but there are many tag teams which are non-notable and as such without a page (The Unholy Alliance springs to mind, Big Show and Undertaker) just like Rhodes&DiBiase. Them taking out CM Punk was part of the build up towards The Legacy. Their association, likewise, was part of the build up. If they go on to be a tag team without him then maybe but at the minute it is the way it is. Sorry for not replying sooner. Tony2Times (talk) 21:03, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

If that was a fan-given name, why do I then remember seeing their Titantron entrance as having that name in it? ArcAngel (talk) 21:10, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Okay, it was a nickname that fans used. They were never billed as Priceless and never introduced themselves as being called Priceless so much as describing themselves as priceless. Tony2Times (talk) 22:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

That still doesn't explain the entrance the WWE used for them with that name in it, though. ArcAngel (talk) 22:15, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Triple H's Tron says "Start. The Game." I can't remember him ever being referred to as Start. The Game is only a nickname, too. Tony2Times (talk) 22:25, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Priceless was their constant catchphrase in their promos...They would always say "We're Priceless" and considering the page practically discusses all of their exploits in that tag team anyway, their reigns are relevant, even if you break the page into pre-Orton, Post Orton 24.168.27.158 (talk) 01:39, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Finally Proof that their name was Priceless: http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/slammyawards08/ under the nominees for tag team of the year it says Priceless (Cody Rhodes and Ted Dibiasse) 24.168.27.158 (talk) 18:42, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

face turn?

The bottom paragraph in the article implies that by beating up on the other members of Legacy, that Randy Orton has now turned face and that Legacy has disbanded. I do not believe this has been verified. Orton has beaten up his subordinates before and they haven't broken up. Also, I don't believe this qualifies as turning face.. he hasn't turned faced the order 30 times he had abused Rhodes or Ted Jr. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.68.100.16 (talk) 18:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it's still not notable if they disbanded. But, certain people have edited the article believing the team is finished. I mean, this angle has been playing out for how long now? And every week they're still together. The fact of the matter that is yet still not notable. I, too, agree that by attacking both Rhodes and DiBiase it doesn't necessarily mean that Orton has turned face. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:52, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok..now the article has a section labled "Split". Look..I know it appears that they are going to break up the group, but I still maintain that nothing is official yet. When the wrestlers walk toward the ring and their names are shown on television, it still says "Legacy" under their names. This implies that they are still a group..and Orton is still being referred to as their leader. I'm still not sold that the group has split. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.68.100.16 (talk) 22:48, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I meant to edit the page about this but I'm working now so have less time to edit. My thoughts echo the anonymous IP in that it still isn't official, furthermore you can't have both a date for the disbanding of the group and have current/former members. Either the group is over and everyone's in the members section because it's no longer current or Orton is a former member and the group isn't disbanded. Tony2Times (talk) 23:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Legacy?

Did Cody and Ted are using the name "Legacy" since their reunion? I'm kinda confused... Draven (º,;;,º) Corvis^(chat) 17:21, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

No, they haven't but article titles refer to the most commonly used name so a few weeks together on SmackDown doesn't counter their year run on Raw if you're wondering why the article title hasn't been changed. Tony2Times (talk) 15:05, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I see.. thanks for the explaination. :) Draven (º,;;,º) Corvis^(chat) 18:37, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Cody Rhodes' Finisher

On Rhodes' page it says that the "Cross Rhodes" is a Spinning facebuster, but on this page it is referred to a Rolling cutter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.218.183 (talk) 01:08, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

It's a constant source of debate because it's such a convoluted move. I don't really know what to tell you is the definitive answer, though I'd say a spinning facebuster myself as there's no downward motion like there is in a cutter. Tony2Times (talk) 21:02, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I personally believe that it is a rolling cutter because the impact moment of the move does end like it would if it were a cutter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.218.183 (talk) 23:51, 23 January 2012 (UTC)