Talk:Thank U, Next/GA1

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Reviewer: VersaceSpace (talk · contribs) 22:42, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Thank you for trying to improve the article on one of the most important pop albums of 2019. There are quite a few issues with this article, which I will address shortly. --VersaceSpace 🌃 22:42, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lead and infobox[edit]

  • The references after the first sentence need to be moved to a lower section per WP:LEADREF
  • "It was released six months after her fourth studio album Sweetener (2018), conceived in the midst of Grande's personal struggles, including the death of ex-boyfriend Mac Miller and the end of her engagement to Pete Davidson." − this sentence is quite confusing as the "conceived" part could refer to TUN or SWT. Please make it more clear
  • "Grande distanced herself from the traditional promotion cycle that she employed for her previous album releases" − this prompts more questions than it answers. Can you say how?
  • "with lyrical content" → "with its lyrical content"
  • It would be more helpful to include the different award shows TUN was nominated in than to include half of the Grammy awards it was nominated for
  • "Musically, the album is predominantly pop, R&B, and trap, with influences from hip hop" — A thirty-minute album cannot predominantly have three genres. Just say pop.
  • "twelve" → 12
  • "Named by Rolling Stone, Billboard and People as 2019's best album, it was included" → "Named by several publications as the best album of 2019, the album was included"
  • Also, this section needs a major trim. There's four huge piles of prose in this section that are hard to read. There should be three clean, evenly sized paragraphs that read well. The most important albums sometimes get four or five paragraphs, but TUN can be easily summarized in three.

Background and recording[edit]

  • "Grande found creating 'Ghostin' difficult and initially requested the song's exclusion from the final tracklisting." — this sentence assumes we know what the song is about. Go more in depth and explain why she found creating this song difficult.
  • "tracklisting" → "track listing"
  • "Grande's team always had champagne in the studio" → "Grande's team kept champagne in the studio"
  • "Grande and her team wrote about nine songs in merely a week" — is there an exact number?
  • "The Record Plant" → "the Record Plant"

Composition[edit]

  • I do not see what the Billboard quote has to do with the album's composition.
  • Rob Sheffield from Rolling Stone stated the album "Thank U, Next is just a woman and a mood, taking that mood out for a drive until she pedal-to-the-metals it right off a cliff." — there must be a neater way to write this.
  • The Shangela photo caption should introduce her as a drag queen, and her full name is unneeded.
  • This section just has a length issue in general. Very hard to read. Trim all the opinions out.
  • One that needs to go is the Medium girl Chloe Crookshanks. She's not a notable journalist and she's not publishing for a notable website (Medium is a social-media platform where anyone can post articles).

Release and promotion[edit]

  • "Twenty-two" → "22" but do we really need the exact count-by-day between TUN and SWT?
  • The ginormous quote here is probably part of what's triggering the copyvio issue mentioned below.
  • Alfredo Flores should be wiki-linked.
  • Amazon and Apple Music are inappropriate as sources for the album cover description. This being as popular as it is, there's gotta be an article on the internet that describes how the covers look, and that's what should be used as a source.
  • The one taught me love part needs a quotation mark in front of "one"
  • "peaking atop of the charts of 15 countries" → "peaking atop the charts of 15 countries"
  • The Spotify records here should be removed. Charts belonging to a single retailer should not be used.
  • "Grande became the first artist to monopolize the top three" — the word "monopolize" is really not the word I would use here
  • "The Beatles" → "the Beatles"
  • "'Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored' was released as the third single on February 8, 2019, the same day the album was released." Released released released. Please can we use a different word.
  • Do we need a whole section for the one promo single?

Critical reception[edit]

  • This needs to be condensed. This is three overly stuffed paras.
  • "Thank U, Next was named as one of the best albums of 2019." — you can't really just say this. something needs to source this.
  • The First Wives Club sentence makes no sense.
  • "8" → "eight"
  • The paragraphs are split into giant burgers of extended nothingness. Can you split them into positive and less positive reviews?\

Awards and nominations[edit]

Commercial performance[edit]

  • There's a "citation needed" tag here...I'm not sure why you nominated this without fixing that first
  • In paragraphs three and four, the albums title should be introduced. These paras can also probably be combined. A new paragraph for each country is not needed if the market is not big
  • In paragraph one, pure sales of TUN are referred to as "copies", but in the last paragraph, they're referred to as "pure copies". Can you make it more consistent?
  • "Grande also ranked as the sixth best-selling artist of 2019 globally and third among female artists" — the article is about TUN, not Grande
  • "twelve" → again, "12"
  • "eleven" → "11"
  • "8" → "eight"
  • "fifty" → "50"
  • "1" → "one"
  • "Outselling" is stan twitter language. How about "selling more than"
  • "Including nine debuts" is implied, so that can be omitted

Track listing[edit]

  • "by Wendy Rene" → "performed by Wendy Rene"

Personnel[edit]

Charts[edit]

  • Good

Certifications and sales[edit]

  • No updated sales figure for the US?

Release history[edit]

  • Good

See also[edit]

  • Okay

References[edit]

  • In Ref 1, Apple Music needs to be in the publisher field.
  • Some references have wiki-linked pubs, some do not. There needs to be consistency.
  • Medium still has to go, as I said above. I suggest removing YouTube and everything it sources as well.
  • Ref 117...how about instead of writing all of the staff we just say "Rolling Stone staff"

Overall[edit]

  • This article is extended confirmed (30 days/500 edits) so I'm not sure how the nominator (110 edits) intends on fixing the article's issues.
This was resolved here --VersaceSpace 🌃 20:23, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Another thing, copyvio is looking really bad. All these links that are over 40% need to be below that. I'm supposed to quick-fail for something like this, but I'd rather let you fix it because I don't think you realized how serious this would be before you nominated the article.
All the "violations" just seem to be quotes, or straightforward ways of phrasing the same thing ("Mac Miller, died from an accidental drug overdose"), so no big deal. Can't speak to the other potential problems with the article, though. Ovinus (talk) 03:55, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The quotes can be shortened and the words can be mangled as to help reduce the percentages. If you really believe it will not be possible to bring a link below 40%, it will be excused. —VersaceSpace 🌃 04:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, I don't think the percentage is a hard number. It may suggest a problem, but it's not a problem itself. All of the found violations seem to stem from the following quote: “My dream has always been to be — obviously not a rapper, but, like, to put out music in the way that a rapper does. I feel like there are certain standards that pop women are held to that men aren’t. We have to do the teaser before the single, then do the single, and wait to do the preorder, and radio has to impact before the video, and we have to do the discount on this day, and all this shit. It’s just like, ‘Bruh, I just want to fucking talk to my fans and sing and write music and drop it the way these boys do. Why do they get to make records like that and I don’t?’ So I do and I did and I am, and I will continue to.” That's a quote from Grande herself, which I think is totally kosher in an article about one of her most popular songs. Ovinus (talk) 00:43, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, it can be left as is then. I'm confused though, have you taken this nomination over? —VersaceSpace 🌃 01:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, I just saw it on WP:GAN and wanted to take a look! :) Ovinus (talk) 01:43, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, because it's coming very close to failing as Moonlight hasn't edited the page in several days. —VersaceSpace 🌃 01:47, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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