Talk:Syllable stress of botanical Latin

Some questions:

• Is the usage of digraphs such as Æ useful in this context, although generally not permitted by the ICBN?

In Latin, digraphs are a typographic convention only. They have no other meaning. The prohibition in the ICBN is a necessary result of prohibiting letters that are ligatures, such as the æ of Scandinavian languages.

• Is the usage of the diaeresis (e.g. Isoëtes) useful in this context? (My answer: yes, it's very important)

It is supremely important, as it distinguishes separate vowels (as parts of separate syllables) from diphthongs.

• Should we list also plants with unambiguous stress i.e. mono- or disyllabic?

Especially given the AfD, the only examples given should be those that are non-obvious, basically words in which the penult has a long vowel.

• Should we link each entry to a page?

Sure, why not?

• Should this be only a list or also give information about etymology, when available? I mean, which is the better? (also consider the amount of time spent and the difficulties)

• Dendromécon
• Dendromécon (gr: δηνδρον/dēndron = tree + gr: μηκον/mēcon = poppy)

The etymology should be added to the appropriate articles.--Curtis Clark 05:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

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Tragus, Trapa, Traunsteinera, Tribulus, Trientalis, Trifolium, Triglochin, Trigonella, Trinia, Tripleurospermum, Trisetum, Triticum, Trollius, Tropǽolum, Tsuga, Tuberaria, Tulipa, Turgenia, Tussilago, Typha, ulex, ulmus, Urtica, Utricularia, Vaccaria, Vaccinium, Valeriana, Valerianella, Vallisneria, Ventenata, Veratrum, Verbascum, Verbena, Verbesina, Veronica, Viburnum, Vicia, Vinca, Vincetoxicum, Viola, Viscum, Vitaliana, Vitis, Vulpia, Wahlenbergia, Waldsteinia, Weigela, Willemetia, Wolffia, Woodsia, Wulfenia, Xanthium, Xeranthemum, Zannichellia, Zostera, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aelwyn (talk • contribs) 10:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

If we want a list, then we can make a list of ...., but this is an article, and not an appropriate place, imo, for a complete dictionary of syllabication for Botanical Latin. KP Botany 00:17, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Suggested alternative move

I suggest this be moved to Syllable stress of Botanical Latin. KP Botany 00:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm fine with this.--Curtis Clark 05:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

That could be OK if we don't want a list and the article explains that the pronunciation of non classical terms of botanical Latin is more troublesome. I don't care that much about the title, anyway. Aelwyn 06:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think that incomplete coverage of the non-Classical pronunciations is a foregone conclusion. Thanks for commenting. KP Botany 21:09, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratz

As the person who proposed the AfD for this article, I am very pleased with the way it turned out. You guys did I great job at turning this into a good Wikipedia article. tdmg 02:11, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to copyedit my prose though. Yes, it works as an article, and I can't imagine why Aelwyn was the only one to think of the appropriateness and utility, but it simply doesn't work as a list on Wikipedia. KP Botany 02:15, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Example

Something like this?

Campanula (Cam-pá-nu-la) is one of several genera of in the family Campanulaceae with the common name bellflower. It takes its name from their bell-shaped flowers, and campanula is Latin for "little bell".

Excellent, this would allow the information to reside in individual articles. I wonder if it might not be worthwhile to create a template for the syllabification that would more automatically create the link to this article (kind of like the IPA template).--Curtis Clark 14:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll start to add the info to some articles I consider important. Probably a template is not worthwhile, the job can be done by copy-paste Aelwyn 15:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Inappropriate entries

I notice in the list above "Woódsia", which to me exemplifies the sort of thing we shouldn't include. Although the "oo" in the English name Woods is close to a pure vowel (not even a diphthong), (1) accenting the second "o" could imply that the two "o"s are in separate syllables (woh-ODE-zee-uh), (2) pronunciation of botanical names not derived from Latin or Greek opens a can of worms, and (3) the simple rule that the "i" in the genus termination of a personal name is always short accounts for all these cases.--Curtis Clark 14:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I have not written the list myself, so there can be many of these. Thank you Aelwyn 14:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Why is "Botanical" capitalized?

Shouldn't the page title be Syllable stress of botanical Latin, not Syllable stress of Botanical Latin? Or is "Botanical Latin" a well-known proper noun, like Classical Greek or Pig Latin? I'm not going to start a WP:RM without knowing anything about botany, but if someone else wants to, please do. --Quuxplusone (talk) 21:52, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

It is in fact a well-know proper noun, referring to the "dialect" of Latin used in botanical description, botanical names, and at one time in most botanical publication.--Curtis Clark (talk) 21:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Expand and move to Pronunciation of Botanical Latin?

This seem like an awfully narrow topic. I'm not likely to do it myself, but it seems like the article could be expanded to focus more broadly on pronunciation of Botanical Latin names. There are issues like the can of worms with names not of Latin origin (e.g. Woodsia) mentioned above, regional differences among botanists in Latin pronunciation (e.g., whether or not "c" is always pronounced as "k"), etc.. Plantdrew (talk) 22:51, 13 November 2013 (UTC)