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Fascination isn't the label from sugababes and SD! Who did this?! Nathanvd (talk) 09:17,9 August 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Siobhán Donaghy[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Siobhán Donaghy's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "bbc":

From Thank You for the Heartbreak: "Sugababes reveal all their gossip". Newsbeat. BBC. 2009-07-09. Retrieved 2012-04-22. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
From Denial (Sugababes song): "BBC - Music - Review of Sugababes - Change". BBC. 08 October 2007. Retrieved 2012-04-13. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
From Overloaded: The Singles Collection: "Mutya leaves pop trio Sugababes". BBC News. BBC. 2005-12-21. Retrieved 2012-06-10. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |work= (help)
From Mutya Keisha Siobhan: Cochrane, Greg (20 July 2012). "Original Sugababes regroup as Mutya Keisha Siobhan". Newsbeat. BBC. Retrieved 20 July 2012. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |work= (help)
From Wear My Kiss: Fox, Al (16 March 2010). "Sugababes Sweet 7 Review". BBC. Retrieved 17 March 2011.
From List of Sugababes members: "Mutya leaves pop trio Sugababes". BBC. 2005-12-21. Retrieved 2012-06-10.
From No Can Do: Savage, Mark (14 October 2008). "Suga rush produces new album 'in weeks'". BBC. Retrieved 12 April 2012.
From About a Girl (Sugababes song): Yates, Reggie (6 September 2009). "Sugababes - About A Girl! Brand New Single!". BBC. Retrieved 22 December 2011.
From Never Gonna Dance Again (song): McAlpine, Fraser (2008-06-21). "Ne-Yo - 'Closer'". British Broadcasting Corporation. Retrieved 2012-05-30.
From Walk This Way: "Girl groups get red noses rolling". BBC News. BBC. January 31, 2007. Retrieved August 31, 2010.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 14:51, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:48, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Siobhán Donaghy → Siobhan Donaghy – WP:COMMONNAME: Subject's name is far more common without the accent than with; move to an accent appears to have been the result of some fleeting promotional material around 2006-2007. Closeapple (talk) 09:36, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support per own nomination. This article was created on 2005-05-08 as Siobhan Donaghy (without the accent) then moved to Siobhán Donaghy on 2006-09-22 with the edit summary "Artists name is Siobhán Donaghy; she now includes the accented a (á) in her name." There was a brief 2009 discussion at Talk:Siobhán Donaghy/Archive 1#Siobhán or Siobhan but it appears that it was regularized across the article only to be "consistent" in the article, and the pick of which way it went was more or less arbitrary. Here's what I found:
- It does appear that siobhandonaghy.co.uk switched to a slicker record-company-owned site between April 2006 and June 2006 without the accent on either one, and still had the temporary site without the accent on 2006-09-11. There is a partial new site on web.archive.org for 2006-10-04. The full site on 2006-11-04 shows the accent but only on the splash title graphic. By the 2007-02-25 version, it had been redesigned again; I'm not loading the Adobe Flash garbage, but the text uses both: the <title> tag in the browser uses the accent, but the text body contains a personal "Message from Siobhan" dated 2007-02-20, welcoming users to the new site, and signed "Siobhan" without the accent. It seems to be that if Siobhan Donaghy wanted the accent, it would be there. The accent in the <title> remained until the site dies in 2013, but I haven't find any evidence of it existing anywhere else on the site.
- MySpace: The closest MySpace captures on web.archive.org are 2006-04-10 without the accent and 2008-07-20, also without the accent. The official MySpace site never appears to have used the accent; it's without the accent all the way to the https://myspace.com/siobhandonaghyparlophone that is still up; https://myspace.com/siobhandonaghyparlophone/bio doesn't use the accent either.
- https://twitter.com/siobhandonaghy (official verified Twitter) uses "siobhan donaghy" in lower case with no accent.
- https://twitter.com/MKSOfficial (official verified Twitter for the current band) uses "siobhan"
- https://www.youtube.com/user/MKSofficial1/about (official YouTube for the current band) uses "Mutya Keisha Siobhan"
- The only news article I see with the accent is "Bullied and depressed she walked out on the Sugababes in 2001: So just what has made Siobhán Donaghy reunite with Keisha and Mutya?". Daily Mail (online ed.). 31 July 2012. Retrieved 2017-12-04.. That's 5 years ago, and uses an accent in the article but not in the photo, and has broken English like "has joined forced with". I'd say this isn't evidence of much except that the Daily Mail continues to slap together whatever fills the page. Other news, at least via Google, appears to omit the accent. --Closeapple (talk) 09:36, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose if even the Daily Mirror can get it right so can we. Mobile phone keypad driven sourceslike Twitter don't count here at an encyclopedia. If you search through hundreds of footballers you'll find them use ASCII standard 24 letter alphabet not UNICODE with accents. But here at the encyclopedia we use UNICODE, we aren't limited by mobile phone keypads. Here's Radio Times "Siobhán Donaghy, Mutya Buena and Keisha Buchanan first topped the charts in the late 1990s and early 2000s with bangers like Freak Like Me. But all was not well with the Sugababes, and one by one all of the trio left and were replaced. First Siobhán was swapped with a former Atomic Kitten, "... In ictu oculi (talk) 12:51, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose: the diacritic is part of her actual name. The only reason it was omitted professionally, on some occasions, was because London Records thought it looked "too foreign" (actual quote, from one of Donaghy's interviews circa 2007). But if you look closely, you can see that she was actually pretty damn clever – and made a point of – sneaking it onto all of her London releases, regardless. The Revolution in Me cover includes the fada (the line above the 'a' in her given name), although it's cleverly disguised as a black smudge in part of the dragon illustration; ditto the "Twist of Fate" cover: the cut of her shirt can be seen as a fada. The fada is present in the album booklet, though. Everything Ghosts/Parlophone-related does include the 'á'. It not being included on her Twitter (her only current and personally-maintained social media profile), probably has more to do with the website's limitations in including diacritics in their URLs. The fact that some other sources/authors are too lazy to know that Ctrl+Alt+a = á, well that's their problem. Homeostasis07 (talk) 22:31, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose it is part of her name; quirks of journalism and branding aside, it should not be omitted unless she official re-brands herself (like Prince did when he became TAFKAP, or whatever). The joy of all things (talk) 22:53, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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