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Kanji definitions[edit]

The explanation of the second kanji reads:

Ha (破:は, "detach", "digress")

Looking it up, that doesn't seem to be an accurate definition. The listed meanings there are: rend; rip; tear; break; destroy; defeat; frustrate.

In fact, "detach" and "digress" are listed as meanings for the third kanji, 離.

Could someone natively proficient in Japanese please review this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oconnor663 (talk • contribs) 09:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not native proficiency in Japanese, but after consulting the kanji dictionary you cited, as well as Tuttle's "Kanji and Kana", I'd have to agree that the cited definition ("detach", "digress") is not accurate. This 破 (Ha) means "to tear" or "to break", which the explanation "to break with tradition" says. 離 (Ri) means "to leave" or "to separate" which seems to be correctly defined and explained in the article as "transcendence". Naturally, there's much more depth to the concept than the simple sum of the kanji, but I'd have to agree with you that the meaning of 破 (Ha) should be changed.

A high-level kendo friend of mine gave me a tenugui with "shuhari" written on it and a card explaining the concept. When I have time, I'll translate it and incorporate it into the article somehow. Quillaja (talk) 12:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Any progress on clarifying the correct spelling? 193.189.114.13 (talk) 08:34, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Go[edit]

Any good references to the Go connection? Stephen B Streater (talk) 10:16, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dreyfus Model[edit]

This seems somewhat (very?) similar to the Dreyfus Model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_model_of_skill_acquisition). Might it be useful to link between these? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.248.83.2 (talk) 06:53, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Origin:[edit]

The references provided are inaccurate in the dates. Fuhaku Kawakami was born in 1716, yet the article states that Zeami Motokiyo extended this concept, which is impossible since Zeami Motokiyo was born in 1363. At this time it seems the origin is unknown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.124.209 (talk) 13:06, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]