Talk:Sheikhs of Tavil

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Name of the article[edit]

@Ottomanhistoria: Good morning! Thank you for the changes you made to this article to make it less promotional. I am trying to verify the name before I publish it. The quote from Cecil Edmonds calls this family the "Siraj-ud-Din sheikhs", is that an alternate name? And is Tavil the same as Tawella? Maybe we should call the article "Sheikhs of Tawella" if so. --Cerebellum (talk) 11:45, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a source I just found, it calls them either the "sheikhs of Hawraman" or "Siraj al-Din family". --Cerebellum (talk) 11:51, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, hope this finds you well.

The Sheikhs of Tavil, have different names, but the main name the people in Kurdistan know them are as the "Sheikhs of Tavil".

In the Hawraman region of northern Iraq, they have a lot of historical sites to commemorate the sheikhs. Here I met a lot of the descendants, and they still call themselves by the name "Tavil". As you said, it is a reference to the city "Tawella", the home of the family, in the past and present. The reason for the spelling comes from the fact that it was the Ottoman Sultans who enobled Sheikh Uthman Siraj-ud-din, also known as Uthman Siraj-ud-din Tavil.

In Turkish, "Tawella", becomes "Tavil", as you can see on the Turkish wiki-pages his name ends with Tavili, meaning from Tawella. He was the head of the family, and the most prominent member. And because of this, the family became known as the Sheikhs of Tavil. They spell and pronounce it slightly differently, which results in "Tawella" becoming "Tavil". The purpose being to diverge from the city name, and celebrating the recognition they had in the Ottoman Empire.

https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osman_Sirâceddîn_et-Tavilî

If you look at the family tree of Uthman Siraj-ud-din, you can see his descendants all having a name ending with "din", for example, Siraj-ud-din, Baha-ud-din, Hisam-ud-din. The word "din", means "faith". All of his descendants nicknamed themselves with a specific name, to stand out.

But overall, they are known as the Sheikhs of Tavil.

I would like to thank you for helping me with publishing this story. It really means a lot, to see this becoming a page, and hopefully people will enjoy learning about this, as much as I have.

Since yesterday, I have read some of your work, and it is truly an honor, having a writer with that much experience, helping with my article.

I hope that it is okay with you, if I write to you next time I find something that I want to create an article about.

Kind regards Ottomanhistoria (talk) 16:58, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ottomanhistoria: That sounds like a wonderful trip!! I'm so glad you wrote this article, and I'll stick with the title you've chosen. Please do feel free to write to me if there's every anything I can help you with :) --Cerebellum (talk) 09:49, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ottomanhistoria: Sorry, one more question! You write, "An example of this was during the ongoing war between Ottoman-Russia, where the Sheikhs of Tavil has sent thousands of people." There have been a lot of Russo-Ottoman Wars, do you know which on this is referring to? --Cerebellum (talk) 10:04, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

Regarding the name of the article, thinking of the fact that the "Sheikhs of Tavil" are of nobility with titles of Sheikh, and Beg (Turkish title, bestowed by the Ottoman Empire), I would see it fit to change the page-name to "House of Tavil", because of the fact that they are a noble household. Let me know what you think. I couldn't change the name myself, so it would be nice if you would.

Kind regards Ottomanhistoria Ottomanhistoria (talk) 20:53, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! It is nice to know that i can contact an experienced writer!

Very good question, i should have written that they sended their men to the wars, in the time of Sheikh Uthman Siraj-ud-din, and Sheikh Ali Hisam-ud-Din, so that would be the 9th war and afterwards.

Kind regards Ottomanhistoria (talk) 10:59, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]