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re-stocking Russia's labour force?[edit]

The quoted article is more critical, in my opinion. It is also rather 'restocking'.

The reference should be quoted in the body of the article and summarized in the lead. The whole body references only two sources (2,4). The article should be rewritten

Xx236 (talk) 06:57, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I just found this article. I don't disagree. I was looking at the source for that statement, Byline Times. It's been discussed at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard, with opinions split between very good and very bad. Possibly the 'very bad' opinions come from people with right-wing views. I can't quite tell, but I am troubled by allegations of 9/11 truthism, which I don't consider a good sign. This claim is peripheral to what I am currently doing, however for what it is worth, I do keep hearing the allegations of forced deportations on CNN, and seeing them in my research on the war. The article should at a minimum be updated. I am inclined to believe the allegation of unfree labor, but I don't recall seeing it elsewhere and as a very serious claim it should be very well sourced. Despite the long history of exactly this, if I had to make a decision right now. I would remove the claim. I don't though, and will go finish what I am doing, which is related, and keep my eyes open for other evidence. In my reluctant opinion however, if none can be found, the claim should be removed, and that determination should be made very soon. Elinruby (talk) 04:22, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Improving the article[edit]

I looked up the term filtration camps and came here via the article on filtration camps in Chechnya. As it is, this is only a collection of reports on news reports, sometime in the style of headlines.

In my opinion, it needs

a renaming. "Russian filtration camps" as a title is too general, because this article deals with camps created near or in Ukraine, not with e.g. camps in Chechnya. The general title should be reserved for an overarching article on filtration camps. A title analog to the Chechnya article, "(Russian) Filtration camps in Ukraine" would be more exact.
a proper introduction, including an explanation what filtration camps are (the article on the camps in Chechnya has some definitions/descriptions by various organizations)
Mariupol should not be the headline if the section then deals with places all over Eastern Ukraine. The chapter could be titled "Camp locations" or somesuch.

I might start with the introduction when I find the time. --Zipor haNefesch (talk) 07:32, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Articles for eventual use in Wiki article:

OSCE: REPORT ON VIOLATIONS OF INTERNATIONAL HUMANITARIAN AND HUMAN RIGHTS LAW, WAR CRIMES AND CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY COMMITTED IN UKRAINE SINCE 24 FEBRUARY 2022 (published 13 April 2022)
Economist (UK): The Economist explains: Why is Russia setting up detention centres in Ukraine? “Filtration camps”, a tool of terror used since the 1940s, have reappeared (published 30 April 2022) Zipor haNefesch (talk) 09:06, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thank you for these. See my concern, expressed in the previous section. I am currently working on something else, but will come back to this soon. I don't know if you are aware of the forced deportations of Ukraininans by the Soviets from 1944 on, but this is one reason why I find the claim plausible. However, we do need more than plausibility to make such a claim. Elinruby (talk) 04:27, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I moved the article and it is now less vague. Some camps are in Russia according to info in this article, so "in Ukraine" wouldn't be a valid title. Super Ψ Dro 20:17, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This overly-specific article lacks a more general parent. It already has stub sections covering the broader background, there are Allegations of child abductions in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, and now we know that there are also “adaptation centres” in Russia.[1] Perhaps it should be expanded and renamed Forcible deportation in the Russo-Ukrainian war. —Michael Z. 17:03, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]