Talk:Roll-on/roll-off

Staten Island Ferries

Pictures of the five ferries built in 1905 to go between lower Manhattan in New York City and Staten Island appear to be ro-ro, and the 1888 Stapleton and Castleton may have been, too. See pictures here, particularly of the Brooklyn arriving at the pier. http://www.siferry.com/pastvessels.html These are the earliest automobile (or in 1888 horse and wagon) ro-ro I am aware of. John L (talk), July 2017. —Preceding undated comment added 19:23, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

THE BIGGEST BOAT

The biggest is MV FEDORA: Measuring 227.8 meters long with a deck capacity area of 67,300 m2, the m/v FEDORA will become one of the world’s largest car carriers upon its introduction to WWL’s fleet. The vessel’s size and design gives it a carrying capacity of 8,000 cars or a combination of 3,484 cars and 468 buses. Five of its 13 car decks are hoistable and four are strengthened for roll-on roll-off cargo, allowing for maximum cargo-carrying flexibility. Or what is the same a 40 kilometres parking line —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.118.115.32 (talk) 10:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

open decks

I commented out the reference to large open vehicle deck as none of the three named disaster ships had an open deck, and, based on personal experience around the Uk and Scandinavia, I believe that large ocean-going ferries don't have open vehicle decks. Open decked ro-ros seem only to exist as smaller vessels used on short sea-going routes.--JBellis 14:14, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

The vehicle decks I have seen run the entire length of the ship starting from the the level that is seen where the gangway is upwards (in the picture). Every third deck or so is air-tight to help prevent the spread of fires. The decks below the gang way have vertical subdivisions along them for flooding purposes. --Malarky, 31 October 2005

landing ships

Would the Landing_Ship_Tank of WWII count as an RORO, possibly the first? If not, when were ROROs first made? Identity0 19:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Al salam 98

This article claims to know the cause of the sinking of al Salam 98. This ferry sank only days ago, they are still finding survivors, it is not yet known what caused its sinking. It may well have been flooding of the vehicle deck however that is not yet proven. Mention of the cause for the ships sinking should be withdrawn until a clearer picture of events comes to light. Leave it to the investigators. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.45.101 (talk • contribs) 09:36, 4 February 2006

First Ro-Ro

Surely they existed before the 1950's. [1] says the first was in 1848 at Burntisland in Scotland - for railway carriages.--JBellis 21:22, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

And there are documents and photographs showing that Hong Kong Yaumatei Ferry operated ro-ro ferries in the Victoria Harbour as early as 1924, which is clearly pre-war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.203.12.66 (talk) 17:12, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Cougar Ace

Cougar Ace just had its crew of 23 rescued off the coast of Alaska. Was this another free surface effect issue? --Gbleem 12:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Apparently not; reports are now saying the severe list occurred during a ballast readjustment. Note, too, that it has not sunk or even fully capsized. —Steve Summit (talk) 13:03, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

accident list

I've removed the list of accidents in the "Risks" section as it was POV and unmaintainable. (For now, the content is at List of RORO vessel accidents.)

Presumably someone added this list (with its death counts for each accident) to prove how unsafe a RORO vessel is, but the statistic is meaningless unless it can be compared to accidents for non-RORO ships (and for RORO ships which had accidents due to causes other than the RORO design). Also, the presence of the list is an open invitation for anyone to add mention of any accident that happened to any RORO ship anywhere, for reasons having nothing to do with the RORO design. (The sinking of the Queen of the North in 2006, for example, was an ordinary accident in which the ship struck rocks due to a navigational error. There's evidently also controversy -- or at any rate a minor edit war here -- over the cause of the sinking of the al-Salam Boccaccio 98.)

—Steve Summit (talk) 13:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

That risks section is written by someone who has never been on a Ro/Ro - Pure Car Carrier, I should pull out the trim and stability manual and explain it. Also the use of Pure Car Carriers is really title only, I was on one PCC that carried Abrams main battle tanks, artillery, trucks, aircraft, trailers, pallets. It kind of makes it pointless to change everything on the page to PCC since it isn't even correct, I would call it by the industry name of just Ro/Ro. As for images of a Ro/Ro-Container ship, you can look into the LMSR (Large Medium Speed Ro/Ro) Military Sealift Command Ships, they are near 1000ft long and very nice gas turbine ships. --Malarky, 11:35 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Title

is this the correct title? shouldn't the second word of each phrase be lower case? i.e."Roll on/Roll off"? Bonus Onus 07:09, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Suhulet

http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=suhulet269bd.jpg

I do not know why everyone ignored it, but the suhulet, that entered service in 1871 in the Ottoman Empire, is the world's first automobile Roll on / Roll off ferry. It served in the Capital city of Istanbul, to connect cars between the two shores of the bosphorus. --62.244.231.229 (talk) 13:44, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

In 1871 cars had not been invented yet. Note that at that time there were many other ferries of that size in several parts of the world, where you could roll horse-drawn carts on and off. This article is not the place for them. This article deals with large ships which are classed as Ro-Ro or other combinations.--AlainV (talk) 02:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Reference is to dead link

Reference 4 to Wallenius is a bad link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monado (talk • contribs) 00:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Article name

Guidance in WP:MOS#Article titles includes, "Special characters—such as the slash (/), [...] are avoided; ...". Perhaps this article should be renamed. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:51, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Article seems to be missing the point, or mistitled

Roll on/Roll off, is not a vessel! It is an operational method of loading and unloading ships, of which roro ferries are a part, and not the only part. Either this article needs to be retitled "Roll-on/Roll-off Ferry", or needs to be rewritten, so as to describe RORO as a system. Danrok (talk) 20:32, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

The ship is misnamed yes. It's just a ship with a ramp. Maybe they could describe it by the usage (ferry, tanker, catamaran etc. can also have ramps) rather than the way stuff is rolled up and down the ramp or 'craned' - distracts from the intention. All ships should be outfitted with VTOLs when that fusion engine is created. Given trhe cheap manufacturing and labour, China could swamp the market with that sort of power source, ending the oil hegemony and pollution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.82.43.45 (talk) 01:43, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

RORO?

I note that this article now prefers the capitalized acronym RORO to ro-ro or ro/ro. Having worked in shipping journalism for almost 35 years I feel that RORO is to say the least unusual! Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 20:32, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

CEU = RT = RT43?

I am not really sure, if the units RT, RT43 and CEU (Car Equivalent Unit) are exactly the same.

The RT43-unit is based on a 1966 Toyota Corona as there is a motor or car type listed RT43. My information comes from this pages version of 9th Feb 2015 and Toyota Corona. --Helium4 (talk) 11:31, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

On the Baltic Sea

It is disappointing to me to read nothing here about the use of RoRo ships on the Baltic Sea. I remember crossing to Klaipeda in 1991 or so, and there was full infrastructure for carrying trucks and cars and even train waggons, though this last was only used for a mail van. There was a break of gauge in play, too. I have a vague memory of being told at the time that the purpose of that infrastructure was mainly to carry, if needed, troops and their equipment quickly from the Soviet Union to Germany. But of course I have no references. Jan olieslagers (talk) 17:37, 22 May 2017 (UTC)