Talk:Pseudohermaphroditism

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Stub?[edit]

63.95.36.13 (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2008 (UTC) daedsdog@gmail.com - 3/17/2008 - the opening introduction of this article lists Klinefelter's as a female specific syndrome. This is incorrect information. Kleinfelter's syndrome is arguably an intersex condition, but the majority of those with this karotype self identify and are phenotypical males. Katherine Harper's book "Intersex" does list at least one known case of a phenotypical female with the 47(xxy) Karotype, but this is the exception, not the general rule.[reply]

"DSD" (disorder of sex development) includes Klinefelter. The ambiguity about whether "intersex" includes Klinefelter is an example of the lack of clarity that led to the new nomenclature (see Lee et al). 76.21.76.223 (talk) 08:19, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible to get some more information on the specifics of pseudohermaphroditism instead of generalities? Also, this article has a lot of subjective commentary. It would be nice to see this fleshed out. (Ibrmrn 12:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC))[reply]

superfluous/subjective detail has been removed and information has been corrected and updated. Sideriver84 (talk) 05:31, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

my edit was reversed. The subjective commentary still needs to be removed and more accurate detail could be added. Sideriver84 (talk) 05:52, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent work![edit]

I created this article a long time ago. I'm not an expert. More has been published since I started the article. Also what has been added by others here includes excellent information going back to the 19th century. I'm very pleased. There is still room for a lot more information. At some stage, DSD and intersexuality should either be merged with this article into one common article (whatever its name), or demarkation based on the subtle theoretical stances underlying different usage should determine the shape of each separate article. (Sorry for that sentence.)

Anyway, great, eye-opening material, thank you! Alastair Haines (talk) 04:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article clean up[edit]

This article should be cleaned up. The large paragraph on John Money is superfluous - views on his research are not pertinent to this subject. Either he should be included as an expert, or not. The term "Pseudohermaphroditism" is not "an old clinical term" nor has this language "fallen out of favor due to misconceptions and pejorative connotations"; it is still in use to this date in medical textbooks. It is described here in this 2020 article as part of Denys-Drash syndrome and here in a 2014 research article in a Journal of Medicine. The mechanisms of human development under "Genetics" is incorrect, with sentences such as "What seems like a female phenotype is altered by increased testosterone secretion". The Y chromosome contains a sex-determining region called the SRY gene. Thus, the developmental plan of the embryo is altered if and only if this gene is present and functional. The 2nd link confirms this.Sideriver84 (talk) 05:52, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am responding here since an editor involved posted at WP:Third opinion. Per the guidelines at that page: "Before making a request here, be sure that the issue has been thoroughly discussed on the article talk page. 3O is only for assistance in resolving disagreements that have come to a standstill."

I encourage Sideriver84 and GermanKity to discuss here first. WP:3 or WP:DR are options if the discussion isn't fruitfu. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 06:06, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's been discussed without resolution on the talk page of GermanKity.See here. I am open to others' comments on this.Sideriver84 (talk) 06:08, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sideriver84, thanks, and my apologies; I only looked at the past few days of your contributions. GermanKity, not all sourced content belongs on Wikipedia, so it would be helpful if you could explain your revert further here. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 06:15, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ping GermanKity Sideriver84 (talk) 18:20, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sideriver84, You removed the huge content that are cited with the well references, please explain?GermanKity (talk) 03:00, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi GermanKity - The content was removed for being incorrect, confusing, or subjective, as mentioned earlier. I have given some examples above. Just because content is sourced doesn't mean that it's explained correctly or that it's pertinent to the article. In addition, many sources are outdated - 15+ years old. Management of this condition, especially the management of cancer, consists of surgical removal; discussion of ethics regarding surgery on intersex people belongs on the article regarding intersex people. The "terminology" section has superfluous detail as well, such as the inclusion and discussion of complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS). This condition might be included as a similar condition in the section "see also" but is unnecessary in the "terminology" section and to the broader article.The introduction may be left alone, with the exception of the language stating this term is an "old clinical term"; as shown above, this term is used to this day in medical texts. Sideriver84 (talk) 16:56, 28 June 2021 (UTC) (date should be 27 June 2021)[reply]

Ping GermanKity Sideriver84 (talk) 18:32, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, you may proceed. And if you want to add new information make sure that will be well referenced. You have to add citations from reliable resources to justify your information. Happy editing :). GermanKity (talk) 01:11, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I referenced my changes in my previous edit. I will look at correcting the article. Sideriver84 (talk) 04:18, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have attempted to expand the terminology section before seeing this talk section. In general, as a medical terminologist, ICD-11 has left behind "pseudohermaphroditism"/"true hermaphroditism" and it is my opinion that merging that keeps in mind the new ICD-11 would likely be the best course of action. Regardless, I do think there is plenty of material out there to contest some of the statements made above, which I have attempted to cite to the best of my ability. Please let me know your thoughts. Superraptor123 (talk) 15:24, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

House MD Episode Highlighting the condition[edit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ry6hn9twow 2001:56A:784F:B700:B1E7:90B3:79C7:C48E (talk) 00:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]