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Miscellaneous comments[edit]

Quote: "Slavic people from the Black Sea-Carpathian region settled here in the 7-th century and the first German settlers came into the country in the High Middle Ages, they mainly settled in the less populated border region."

I take issue with the statement "the first German settlers came into the country in the High Middle Ages". The Germanic tribes, the Suebi, Marcomanni, and others, moved into Bohemia and settled it somewhere between 8 B.C. and 1 B.C. Not until the 6th century A.D. did they emigrate and leave Bohemia. Technically the statement you made is correct, "the first German settlers" came into the country in the High Middle Ages, as there was no Germany at that time when the Suebi, Marcomanni, etc. came in to Bohemia, but it is misleading because Germanic peoples were there before the Common Era even started, they settled the area and stayed for a very long time. I think you need to make some corrections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Undesignated (talk • contribs) 11:39, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deutschböhmen is not an historical region!!!!! It is an ideological construct,just like Sudetenland. The whole conception of the article is one-sided.

Deutschböhmen has been used well back in the 19th century. The whole idea of sticking to "historical regions" completely disregards self-determination. Historic arguments don't lead anywhere. At the same time Polish Upper Silesia was split from German Upper Silesia after the Silesian Conflicts creating a completely ahistorical border but by and large just one. --Tino Cannst (talk) 19:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, it was a historical region with Germans living in the Czech border region for about 700 years until their expulsion after World War 2. Sudeten Germans was the definition for the Germans in Bohemia first used in the 1848 revolution and then fixed after World War 1.--92.228.178.125 (talk) 18:53, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

German immigrants have known very well where they settled from the very beginning. They arrived to the Czech Lands in every century, including many since 1850. In 1945 they were transfered to Germany (Heim ins Reich) by the allies (Potsdam agreement).--Posp68 (talk) 18:11, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

German had been the first settlers in the mountaineous regions -- no Czech had wanted to live there --Tino Cannst (talk) 19:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they have known very well where they settled from the very beginning. They arrived to the Czech Lands in every century, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.23.6.193 (talk) 11:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Czech bias[edit]

The article has a Czech bias as such issues as:

Czech ideology of "state right" -- this is assumed implicitly in the article by stating that "Lands constituting German Bohemia were historically an integral part of the Duchy and Kingdom of Bohemia."

As is well known, the principle of self-determination in other places split up "historic" countries.

statement "was definitively settled by the 1919 peace treaties of Versailles and Saint-Germain-en-Laye, which declared that the areas belong to solely to Czechoslovakia." must be seen critical - there were deliberate FALSIFICATIONS presented and the German side was NOT HEARD AT all, hardly a just process! Broken Czech promise, to appease the Western powers, to build a Swiss-type confederation should be mentioned.

"the Czechoslovak government then granted amnesty for all activities against the new state" -- Oh, how generous that German who demanded self-determination and were crushed were not punished by the state which they did not want to join. --Tino Cannst (talk) 19:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The erea has always been Czech Crown Lands. 178.232.49.22 (talk) 07:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

German Wikipedia article is better[edit]

It describes only the 1918 period.

This article is funny:

'Archaeologists have found evidence of Celtic and Boii migrations' Were the Celts more Czech or German? I believe that this part should be removed.Xx236 (talk) 12:56, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

'2.23 million ethnic Germans, and 116,275 ethnic Czechs' One German source. Is Czech opinion the same? Are all people binary - either Czech or German?

An interesting omission The Nazi period is completely ignored. The omission makes the text biased. Nothing about the Holocaust, concentration camps, forced workers. Xx236 (talk) 13:05, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Celts were none, Celts may have had some admixture with Germans, but they remained very different, the Czechs are Slavs, who came to the region way after the Celts had left. Crainsaw (talk) 17:48, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]