Talk:Profiles in Folly

Citations

How exactly did I not cite this? Is it the wrong format? I took the ISBN from the book itself, and plugged it into EasyBib.

Thanks!

Sanitas (talk) 21:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Self references are not reliable sources. To show notability you need "significant coverage" in reliable sources. As it stands at the moment, the notability of this book, at least as defined by Wikipedia standards, is doubtful. – ukexpat (talk) 22:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll check for other sources. Please do not delete this article just yet. Thanks!Sanitas (talk) 22:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, I really don't understand why this needs to be more than just self referenced... The article written is merely a summary. Do we need a credible source to back up that the summary is correct (other than from the book itself)? If so, does a book review count?

Thanks!

Sanitas (talk) 23:08, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Please read our policy on verifiability: "If no reliable third party source has discussed the topic in a substantive manner, we should not have an article about it." -- The Red Pen of Doom 23:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I have read this but do not quite understand the pretenses in which one can cite. I have found this website:[1] Though it might not be third party as Barnes & Noble has to do with book itself (Sterling Publishing is owned by Barnes and Noble). Under the tab, "editorial reviews" it gives three:

1) The overview from the book itself

2) A copyrighted review from 'Publishers Weekly'

3) A review from 'Lisa A. Ennis - Library Journal'

Are number 2 or 3 viable? If needed I found the links of Publishers Weekly and Library Journal to the actual reviews that are on the first website.

Thank you for your patience! Sanitas (talk) 23:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

"Self promotion" from the book itself is generally not a valid source, although snipits from the actual content of the book may be OK. (although you run the risk of getting into original research.)

Quoting - directly (short quote) or accurately summarizing a review in Publishers weekly is generally going to be valid sourcing. (put the link to the source next to the material it supports within the article WP:CITE)

It is likely, but less clear to me, that the reviews in Library Journal are professional reviews that are vetted by an editorial team - if so this would also be a valid source. (However, reviews in the blog section certainly wouldnt count.)

Does that help clear up?

Here is an example of what you might aim for as a great book article: Night (book). YOu can use this for ideas on how this article might develop.-- The Red Pen of Doom 23:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing this up for me! I have added both sources and will look into citing a quote. I will also search for more website so that I may add more information which is backed up by viable sources.

Sanitas (talk) 00:07, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

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