Talk:Princess Mononoke/Archive 2

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Archive 1 Archive 2

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 5 external links on Princess Mononoke. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 23:21, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Japanese translators?

Currently the article states the following (Princess_Mononoke#Release): 

In September 2000, the film was announced for release on DVD in North America exclusively with the English dub. In response to fans' requests to add the Japanese track as well as threats of poor sales, Miramax hired translators for the Japanese version. This plan delayed the DVD release back by almost three months, but it sold well when it was finally released.

I fail to see for what reason they would need extra translators as the Japanese track was obviously already existing. This needs further explanation. --2A01:C23:5C15:7C00:65E5:82A4:E75D:96C5 (talk) 22:00, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

@2A01:C23:5C15:7C00:65E5:82A4:E75D:96C5: It was to create subtitles. The English dub script couldn't be used for the subtitles because so many things were changed to be completely different than what an actual translation would be. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:33, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, that makes sense. So did they have two sets of English subtitles in the end? One for the more faithful translation and one for the hearing impaired, following the English dub? Because I imagine it would be confusing watching the English dub with a non-corresponding caption. --2A01:C23:5C22:1B00:6894:D22:6635:2EF2 (talk) 21:17, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
@2A01:C23:5C22:1B00:6894:D22:6635:2EF2: The DVD had both literal and hearing impaired tracks in English. The bluray has dubtitles and hearing impaired. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:32, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

External links modified (January 2018)

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 external links on Princess Mononoke. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 22:16, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

FA for 20th anniversary?

Now that Princess Mononoke is approaching its 20th anniversary, I think it's time we should get this article up to FA status so that we can feature it as a TFA on July 7, 2017 (the day of its release). Any thoughts before we can take it up to FA? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:57, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm interested in helping (despite missing the 20th anniversary deadline). From what I can tell it looks pretty good, but more citations are needed, especially in the release section, and more pictures seem appropriate given the movie's stunning imagery. (For that matter, more discussion of the art/animation seems warranted too, given that it's frequently commented upon.) Brutannica (talk) 04:26, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

"Mononoke-hima"?

While entering the text "Mononoke..." in WP's search box, I noticed that "Mononoke-hima" comes up (but no "Mononoke-hime"), and that phrase resolves to this article. I have no idea why this is the case. I can't find anything in the article that uses the word "hima" which, after all, in Japanese means "free time", rather than "princess". I'm mystified as to how to fix this. Can anyone enlighten me, or just fix it? Thanks! Bricology (talk) 04:24, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

The search box is a bit of a mystery. If there are multiple redirects to the same target, it picks one seemingly at random. The user who created this redirect also created redirects for weird typos like "Giglgamesh" and "Fjlm noir". I assume this redirect also fits into that category. If it's not a common typo, you could certainly nominate it for deletion. Reach Out to the Truth 04:54, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Maybe the search box picked "hima" because it comes before "hime" in alphabetical order, rather than out of pure randomness. 2A01:C22:AC39:EB00:4CD9:1B3B:6042:DE92 (talk) 16:48, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

GA Review

GA toolbox
Reviewing
This review is transcluded from Talk:Princess Mononoke/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: ReaderofthePack (talk · contribs) 14:25, 7 January 2020 (UTC)


GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it well written?
    A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
    B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
  2. Is it verifiable with no original research?
    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
    B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:
    C. It contains no original research:
    D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
  4. Is it neutral?
    It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
  5. Is it stable?
    It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
  6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
    A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
    B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:

General notes

  • I'm a little concerned about some of the sources. For example, I'm uncertain about movie-vault.com. I see where movievault.com is used, but movie-vault.com seems to be less frequently used and the site looks kind of sketchy. It is used in places like this, which is good, but it doesn't seem like the strongest source at first glance. (I'm more looking for some reassurance of its reliability.)
The Geocities site, I think it would be better to cite the specific news sources that are being used to back up the claims. The URL for the Geocities site can be used, but it would be more accurate to list the specifics for the given newspaper/source that's citing the claim. With loca.ash.jp, it looks like they have administrators but do generally accept user submissions via forums and the like.
One of the links is a self-published blog, Anime Dub Reviews. I do see that it's used on about 4 other articles but I can't really find a lot of things via a general Google search to show where it's really widely seen as a reliable source, as it looked to only be used once by an academic source. It's another one where there would likely be a better source out there for this.
One of the sources is IMDb - this shouldn't be used as a source. Since it looks to be backing up the Annie Award, it would be fine to re-use the Annie website to back up that claim.
The other sources look to be fine. I would just change up the sources I mentioned here. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 22:47, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm starting to review the sources. I made some edits to Ashitaka to be more exact to the source. It's implied that Miyazaki didn't want him to be a typical hero but it's not outright said per se. It looks like this is something that's common for this source - there are things that are implied, but not actually stated in the source. This feels too much like original research for my comfort. If this is in another source, then definitely let me know. I am going to try to mark things as I go by. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡)
  • The information about the writer's block and On Your Mark, is that in the McCarthy pr the documentary source? It looks like it's sourced to the Ghibli source, which doesn't actually mention anything about writer's block. I don't have access to either source to be able to verify this. I also replaced the blog source with one from Ain't It Cool News. AICN has gone downhill since its heyday, but back in the 90s it was seen as a pretty reliable source for news and information. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 20:39, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

citations

I would vote to pass it but there is major spots who need citations fixes.

There is sentence that speculates that it got a limited release it the US because of gift that the distributors got from the director. If it can't proven it must be deleted or moved to the talk page.

I have worked on a page where there is a lot of speculation on the subject, but none of it was degrading way nor was it peacocking. For him I created the topic Unverified information. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brandon_Lee#Unverified_Information

If any of the un-cited stuff remains just toss in section like that and retrieve it later.Filmman3000 (talk) 22:00, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the input! I'm glad that it wasn't just myself that had concerns over the citations. My problem with the section though, is that this content is in enough of the article that I think it would be detrimental to remove it. I think offhand that it would be better to have the nominator either fix this and renominate later (if they think it will take them some time) or just close it and leave it as is, for another person to fix the sourcing. 17:41, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
  • @QuestFour: ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 17:43, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Status query

ReaderofthePack, QuestFour, where does this nomination stand? As far as I can tell, QuestFour hasn't edited the article since the day it was nominated, and hasn't responded here at all, though plenty of edits have been made elsewhere on Wikipedia. If no response is forthcoming in the next seven days, perhaps the nomination should be closed; it can't be held open indefinitely. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:27, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello BlueMoonset, please see here. Thank you. QuestFour (talk) 17:11, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
QuestFour, thanks for getting back to me. It sounds like you didn't understand the GA nomination process, and weren't really ready to handle what your responsibilities were here. The GA nomination instructions are pretty clear about this:
Nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article on the article talk page prior to a nomination. The reviewer will be making suggestions to improve the article to GA quality during the review process; therefore, the review will require your involvement as nominator. Before nominating an article, ensure that you will be able to respond to these comments in a timely manner.
Your request to WikiProject Anime and manga hasn't been answered after three weeks, so I think we have to assume no one from there is willing to do the work needed on this nomination. Under the circumstances, I would recommend that ReaderofthePack close this nomination right away. Please don't make another nomination here until you feel ready to do your part in the process. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:01, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
I completely understand and I apologize for not reading the GA instructions. Thank you for clarifying. QuestFour (talk) 05:55, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Is Kaya (カヤ) Ashitaka's sister or his bride-elect?

In the Plot section, Kaya is called Ashitaka's Sister: 

Before Ashitaka leaves, his sister Kaya gives him her crystal dagger so that he will not forget her.

However, in the Cast and Characters section, she is called his Bride-Elect: 

Ishida also voices Kaya (カヤ), Ashitaka's bride elect.

This looks like a discrepancy to me. Which of these are correct? Thanks (ahh, my first edit!), Matt.brown (talk) 14:07, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

According to the Ghibli Wiki:[1]

Though she calls Ashitaka "brother" (jap. anisama), she is actually his bride-elect. The word means "follower" because they live in the same village. When Ashitaka leaves his home in the night, she approaches him to say goodbye. However Emishi tradition forbade her to do so. She gave him her crystal dagger. In Emishi tradition girls gave a dagger to their future husband on the day of their wedding. However, Kaya's act showed her love for Ashitaka.

--Sjlver (talk) 06:39, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
I've now updated the page, and also added as source an interview with Miyazaki where he confirms that Kaya loves Ashitaka (although strictly speaking the interview doesn't say whether it was mutual love).
Sjlver (talk) 06:53, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Kaya / Ghibli Wiki / Fandom". Ghibli Wiki.
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Princess_Mononoke/Archive_2&oldid=1181268443"