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Old talk[edit]

Why keep this title? It is interesting only as a curiosity. The state language of Belarus is Russian. Let's look at the google search:

Полоцк - 154 000 (search through www.ya.ru - 169 994)
Polotsk - 116 000
Polock - 63900 (also as a personal name)
Polacak - 2 200
Полацак - 945 (Be wiki and its mirrors)
Полацк - 866

We should use the most common name. Polotsk is about 100 times more popular than Polatsk, so the page should be moved there. --Ghirlandajo 13:23, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I totally agree. I also propose to ban Belarusian language in Belarus and in Wikipedia. And, I would like Russia to occupy and absorb Belarus. I'm surprised no one except Ghirlandajo came up with those cool ideas.

Your personal attacks have nothing to do with my proposal. If Dublin is Dublin and not Baile Átha Cliath, it doesn't mean that Irish language should be banned and Britain should absorb Belarus. Your lack of logic is more characteristic for Polish editors here. --Ghirlandajo 14:32, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don´t think so because absorb Belarus by Russia is like United states and the Commonwealth absorb by United Kingdom

Number of people speaking this or that language is not a very serious reason to ban anything. Let the world be different and let different names for one and the same place just be. 11 April 2006

All the Belarus Web sites I just looked at (govt., library, etc.) spell / transcribe the city as Polotsk. Kdammers 06:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am a regular vistor to Polotsk/Polacak, my grandfather was born in Polotsk (then, a capital of Polotskaya Oblast), I am also a native Russian speaker and an active contributor to the Belorussian/Belarussian/Belarusian Wikipedia.

And I can confirm that the question is not simple! :))

First of all, many inhabitants of this city proncounce the name as 'polAtsAk' (see this russian article [1]), but the spelling is different for Russian orthography (most common there), official Bel. language (less common) and Taraszkiewica (historical and currently non-mainstream Bel. orthography).

However, Polish and Russian history of the city, French and English historical transliterations (since the 1812 war) make the version 'POLOTSK' rather reasonable and acceptable.

But for today, I can't express a certain opinion on this subject.

Best regards. -- Ilya Martchenko 14:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Polatsk / Polacak / Polatsak / Plotseke / Plosceke / Paltjesberg / Polotsk[edit]

Plotseke and Plosceke are the Baltic names mentioned in Läti Henriki Kronika (Estonian version). Alternative Norsemen history tells that Paltjesberg was founded by Ostrogoths from Gothlandia /Otlandia / Vuojonmaa / Ojamaa between c.400-500 when every third of Gothlandia families had to leave the island. They sailed up the slow flowing River Väinä / Dwina / Duna to the place of current confluence of Väinä and Palata Rivers. Thus, it was not originally the Slavonic settlement at all. Bielarusi sources add that another small Norsemen tribe arrived later from Jutland peninsula and assimilaled to the Gothos and Litts, Prussians, and Zemgallians (called the Hellespontoses by the new comers) forming the Polatshaks or Po-latskas who, in turn, were assimilated to Krivitshis (the relatives of blood). The Muscovites were the last to arrive in the area. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.112.169.42 (talk) 20:12, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

BGN/PCGN romanization of Belarusian[edit]

Toponyms of Belarusian places must be given according to BGN/PCGN romanization of Belarusian. Unomano 15:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The BGN/PCGN romanization of Belarusian page clearly states that the system in question is « a method », NOT « the method », « for romanization of Cyrillic Belarusian texts. ». In that perspective, naming this article Polatsk instead of Polotsk^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4] is highly debatable.--Jazzeur 17:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The first question is English name. Gene Nygaard (talk) 05:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See reference number 1. --Jazzeur (talk) 05:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That might indeed be one bit of evidence of something, if you decide to tell us what your point is. It is determinative of nothing. Gene Nygaard (talk) 05:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note further that Wikipedia:Naming conventions specifically provides:

In particular, the current title of a page does not imply either a preference for that title name, nor that any alternative name is discouraged in the text of articles. Somebody had moved the article, then run around changing other articles just because he did so. Gene Nygaard (talk) 05:31, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, the Belarus guide at http://www.belarusguide.com/cities/polacak.html is evidence of a different spelling in English. Gene Nygaard (talk) 05:33, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is plenty determinative, when the country representative authority of Belarus decides on a particular spelling. The rest is purely academic. --Jazzeur (talk) 05:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Occidental spelling according to the Belarus Permanent Mission to the United Nations.

[2] Occidental spelling according to the official Belarus website.

[3] Nations Online website

[4] Google Maps reference.

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