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Countries celebrating the Platinum Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II

The list of countries celebrating the Platinum Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II, should be listed in the order of establishment of the respective monarchy in each country. 112.134.218.162 (talk) 13:36, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Caution re verb tenses

This article straddles the WP:NOTNEWSPAPER guideline. A major concern: after the Jubilee, the article will require tons of editing to transpose the tense re announcements of future events vis-a-vis what will have become past events. --Kent Dominic·(talk) 19:24, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Recent health age-related problems.

Kudos to those who've been doing darn good work on this article. Hopefully, it won't be in vain. GoodDay (talk) 17:56, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

  1. The official celebrations begin tomorrow, I am genuinely happy that the Queen will be able to enjoy them. I hope they are not upset by anything, despite the current situation and well, the fact that everyone likes nothing. I wish the sovereign well for all the time she has left. 93.67.196.108 (talk) 10:52, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Royal tour of Canada

Fantastic job on the section about the royal tour of Canada, Peter Ormond. However, I think we should try to keep it summarized and condensed, similar to the coverage on the royal tour of his son and siblings. I guess we can keep the more detailed stuff for List of official overseas trips made by Charles, Prince of Wales. What do you think? Keivan.fTalk 00:52, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes, sure. You can go ahead with summarising. We can also create a separate article 2022 royal tour of Canada, because it is being seen as an important visit because of its indigenous theme and reconciliation. Peter Ormond 💬 03:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
@Peter Ormond: Thanks for the quick response. I see that you have already created the article. At this point I prefer not to interfere with your activities as you're the person who has written the whole thing, thus, no one could summarize it better than you. I was thinking about summarizing those three paragraphs into one, talking about their activities in general, similar to the way William, Anne and Edward's tours have been covered. If you need any help please let me know. I'd be glad to assist as much as I can. Keivan.fTalk 13:58, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
I tried to summarise but the current version is the best that I can do. I agree with your suggestion that it needs to be summarised further to bring it in line with other realm tours. Also, I think the Earl and Countess's visits to Guernsey and Jersey also need to be summarised in about one para each. I will try, and later you can work on it further. Thanks for your help! Peter Ormond 💬 14:21, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

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I created a userbox for the Jubilee. Feel free to use it. Peter Ormond 💬 21:03, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Infobox

I changed the phrase in the infobox to "Jubilee of British monarch", to match Elizabeth II's other Jubilee articles. There's no such title as "Monarch of the Commonwealth realms". GoodDay (talk) 21:39, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

@GoodDay I've tried to incorporate both. Please let me know what you think. thorpewilliam (talk) 03:54, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
Also, please note that "British monarch" is not a title either. thorpewilliam (talk) 04:09, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
But "British monarch" is commonly used. PS- Wish you had checked the other Jubilee articles of Elizabeth II, before making your change. Anyways, I put in a compromise for all of them - "Jubilee of the monarch of the United Kingdom and the other Commonwealth realms". PPS - There's no such title as "monarch of the other Commonwealth realms". GoodDay (talk) 09:12, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
Indeed. The issue there is that the British monarchy is a seperate institution with the same head, but I digress. Cheers, thorpewilliam (talk) 11:22, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Request to make more sections

Hi, I think that the contents of “Celebrations throughout the Commonwealth” is extremely lengthy and it would be beneficial for parts of it to be put into sections. It would reduce it from ring overwhelming for the reader. Theeveralst (talk) 14:08, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm agree. 93.67.196.108 (talk) 10:54, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Commons

There are two categories for the Jubilee on Commons: c:Category:Platinum Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II and c:Category:Platinum Jubilee of Elizabeth II. I suggest that one be deleted and everything be merged into one. Also there are so many subcats, which I don't think are necessary because we don't have a huge number of images for the Jubilee at the moment. Peter Ormond 💬 13:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Duplicates merged. Any other issues will need to be raised on Commons. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:05, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Free Trooping pics

Can somebody upload them? Peter Ormond 💬 21:53, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Seems to be done: c:Category:Trooping the Colour 2022. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Is this a joke? How does this not have at least semi-protection?

Is this a joke? How does this not have at least semi-protection? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desk-a1 (talk • contribs) 04:54, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

No, the Platinum Jubilee is a perfectly serious event. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:40, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Has now been protected. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:52, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Why is the stabbing under June 3rd even included? That wasn't 'part of the events' and including a crime under celebrations seems if not completely irrelevant at least highly inappropriate... 72.136.95.67 (talk) 20:13, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
I have removed that already. Peter Ormond 💬 20:17, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Choice of the date

Hello. The jubilee celebration tales place on 2 June 2022. The article explains well that it is the 70th anniversary because she reigns since 6 February 1952.

Could we also explain why it is on 2 June ? I imagine because of her coronation on 2 June 1953 ? Or some other reason such as Queen's Official Birthday ?

Dita Soreginous 56 (talk) 06:42, 3 June 2022 (UTC).

The gov.uk website says this: "On 6th February 2022, Queen Elizabeth II became the first British monarch in history to achieve Platinum Jubilee - 70 years of reign and service. However, large scale celebrations are scheduled for June to take advantage of the summertime weather. It also coincides with The Queen’s official birthday which falls on the second Saturday in June." Martinevans123 (talk) 09:43, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
it's also because she doesn't want to celebrate on the anniversary of her father's death. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:30, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Are there any more jubilees after Platinum?

This is not a speculation over the Queen’s remaining lifespan, but rather, a question over what the UK government has written in its laws to do, if any, as anniversaries beyond 70 are reached.

Hypothetically, if any future monarch were to reach 80 and 90 years, whether unlikely or not, would the UK hold Oak and Granite Jubilees, respectively?

What about 75 years? The UK has Diamond Jubilees at 60 years, but some wedding anniversaries have 75 years for Diamond.

Thank you. 2601:642:4C04:4866:CD85:BC05:E257:7481 (talk) 17:35, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

As far as I know there are no UK laws on anniversaries, it's just popular tradition. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:26, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

2016 Picture

Can anyone explain me why an old picture of Oxford street is repeatedly being reinstated in the infobox. The picture's EXIF (technical) data state it is from 2016, thus not related to this Jubilee.Tvx1 18:35, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

That is obviously an error in the EXIF. Was this picture also taken in 2016? Peter Ormond 💬 18:39, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
It looks like the clock on the camera was reset to some sort of "default" time of 1 January 2016 for some reason. The car registration plates visible in this set of images, as well as the labels of "May 2022" make it clear that these are much more recent than 2016. Absent any evidence to the contrary we can assume that they are genuine Platinum Jubilee pictures.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:18, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

It's her reign as monarch that's being celebrated. Not so much her title as Head of the Commonwealth

The Commonwealth republics are not celebrating the Jubilee, so can we please stop including them in this article? GoodDay (talk) 16:53, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

For the first time, Jubilee beacons were lit in the capital city of every Commonwealth nation, including republics. Peter Ormond 💬 16:59, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Well can we write it up differently? Having 'only' Commonwealth of Nations in the intro, creates an inaccurate picture. It's mostly her role as 'monarch', rather then her title as head of an organisation, that's being celebrated. GoodDay (talk) 17:05, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
I know it is not entirely a celebration of the Head of the Commonwealth's 70 years in office, but the Queen's Jubilee as monarch is being marked in Commonwealth republics, and even in some other non-Commonwealth nations. Also, the lede almost entirely focuses on the British commemorations, so I don't think there's a need to single out the United Kingdom from the rest of the Commonwealth in the first sentence. It is unnecessary clutter, and "Commonwealth of Nations" is fine for the sake of brevity. Peter Ormond 💬 17:25, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
On the contrary, the UK is where most of the celebrations took place, not to mention it's the realm where Elizabeth II resides. Please, let's not start up an old argument, that was already had at the intro of Elizabeth II. -- GoodDay (talk) 17:31, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
The intro of the Queen's article is an entirely different topic. Australia and Canada have also hosted a number of Jubilee events. Australia renamed an entire island after her (and that was done by a republican prime minister). And it is the first time that the Canadian provinces have created their own Jubilee medals. So it's unfair to give special treatment to the United Kingdom in the first sentence (as we already have an entire para dedicated to the UK in the lede). Peter Ormond 💬 17:43, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
In the spirit of compromise - "United Kingdom and the rest of the Commonwealth of Nations" is satisfactory. Indeed it accurately reflects the lead of the article. I've agreed to accept having 'Commonwealth of Nations' mentioned in the lead and the infobox. So you should agree to have the UK mentioned separately in the intro & infobox. Again, in the spirit of compromise. GoodDay (talk) 17:47, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Ormond is correct. The celebrations are a Commonwealth affair. Yes, that does of course include Britain, and it is indeed true that Britain (more particularly London) has in many ways been its epicentre. Nonetheless, it is in my view most succinct and accurate to say "Commonwealth" and the scale of jubilee celebrations in the rest of the Commonwealth has been greater – in many cases significantly so – this year than for prior jubilees as it has been in the UK. thorpewilliam (talk) 08:35, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Agreed. The Jubilee was celebrated in many Commonwealth nations, and WP:WORLDWIDE dictates that we should not overly favour one of those.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:50, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

I agreed to compromise, but others have chosen 'not to'. Do what you all want with this article. I'm fed up with the attempts to downplay the UK, in the intro. On a separate note, I'm also getting fed up with the lack of support at the List of longest-reigning monarchs article. GoodDay (talk) 00:33, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

No criticism at all?

I am missing a section with criticism. Any reason they are filtered out? -DePiep (talk) 05:31, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

We don't do a section titled "criticism". An article with a neutral point of view doesn't have specific sections dedicated to criticism or praising, instead it incorporates different points within different sections. Which is why sections that discuss the royal tours of the Caribbean also discuss the protests and criticisms that were aimed at the monarchy and their demands for reparations, etc. Keivan.fTalk 05:41, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Having a separate section is not the point. Although as you describe it, there is only local protests--no overall criticism e.g.?, not in the top sections (that could end up in the lede) then? Also, there no description of costs which surely is an omission. Same for absence/presence of key people (like: a queen, sons, grandsons). Too much a fanzine/timetable now. -DePiep (talk) 05:57, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

DePiep - Well could we put a notice about the republican messages being put out, including Republic's billboards saying Elizabeth the Last https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-61644484 and its International Anti-Monarchy Conference. https://www.republic.org.uk/international_anti_monarchy_conference Plus mentions that the hashtag, #AbolishTheMonarchy was treading in the UK for several days over the jubilee, plus a note about Stacey Soloman's 2018 Loose Woman piece on the Queen that went viral. https://www.indy100.com/celebrities/stacey-solomon-queen-loose-women 159753 (talk) 17:08, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

In response to DePiep's latest comment, literally everyone is present except for Andrew and his whole saga has been covered in multiple articles to which I have contributed personally but that is unrelated to this event and was not covered in the news either, except for the fact that he tested positive for COVID. All other key people are currently in the UK and have taken part in at least one event. The costs should definitely be covered, as well as the potential money that the tourism due to this event could generate. There's already information on the amount of money set aside by each government for the Jubilee events under their corresponding sections. The Republic's activities can also be included since the BBC has reported on them. Keivan.fTalk 00:00, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
The page is 274k now. Not a single "Background" section. How is a 34-name list not a WP:LIST article? And note, this is at MP. -DePiep (talk) 10:09, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Other users have also pointed out that the article is too long. As it has been mentioned under the section "Article too long?", one solution would be to work on reducing the number of quotes. Once that is done, we can then determine what other steps need to be taken. Keivan.fTalk 06:26, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Article too long?

This article is about 275 KB, and the readable prose size is more than 100 KB as per WP:SIZERULE. Hemanth Nalluri 11 (Talk) 22:51, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

The readable prose is actually 95 kB. In saying that, I do agree with the overall sentiment that this article is too long. Doing a cursory glance of the article, there are quite a few trivial quotations placed in the article body that could be trimmed significantly or removed entirely for the sake of brevity. Leventio (talk) 23:09, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
What are some trivial quotations that you found? Hemanth Nalluri 11 (talk) 23:49, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
A few congratulotry statements are quoted when they provide no real substance to the topic in itself (most of these can really be summarized with "X issued congratulatory statements", the exact contents of their statements do not need to be elucidated). There are also a few generic statements on the Queen's service/relationship with X that can just be outright omitted. There are also a few contextual statements (i.e. statements that don't pertain to the event itself) that could be removed (like, do we really need to know the emblem winner felt "It's just an amazing feeling to win it, I couldn't believe I'd won it really. I thought I had achieved something by getting to the top 100 so to win it – I was over the moon."
P.S. I feel I should mention, I don't think trimming down/removing these quotes would entirely rectify the issue of ease of navigation/article size. But it would be a good start towards pairing down this article to a respectable size. Leventio (talk) 00:02, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
I think during the past days everyone was just so busy with putting in as much information as they could that nobody really paid attention to the article's size. But I agree with Leventio. The section which includes congratulatory messages and quotes can be easily trimmed down. Keivan.fTalk 06:22, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
I did some trimming. Peter Ormond 💬 08:00, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
I removed a number of quotations that were already summarized/can be summarized in a sentence, as well as trivial quotes on the Queen's relationship with X region, or achievements seen over her reign (while certainly interesting, most of these quotations are contextual only, and do not pertain to the Jubilee in itself. If it must, these quotations/ideas can be moved or be expounded upon in more pertinent articles).
Also, for those curious, trimming efforts in the past two days have reduced the article's readable prose size to 89 kB (still a lot, but a markable improvement). Leventio (talk) 16:35, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

The article is packed with trivia and cruft, for example (taken at random) "The New South Wales Parliament hosted a Jubilee High Tea and Talk on 2 June.", which should be removed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:26, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Good point! This article is about 270 KB, which is too much. Hemanth Nalluri 11 (talk) 21:05, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Editors are already aware, but we can check Wikipedia:Article size for guidance.
Renewableandalternativeenergy (talk) 13:17, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

"Platty Joobs" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Highlighting of countries. There's at least '32' of them.

Seeing as this page is being treated as Commonwealth of Nations based, one can understand why the UK is kinda getting centre stage. Liz residing in the UK & thus attending only the UK celebrations, would do that. I just hope we don't let any of the other realms (less likely republics) get 'too much' coverage. Canada, Australia & New Zealand (the realms she's reigned over for 70 years) for example. GoodDay (talk) 18:49, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

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