Talk:Photo League

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Where were they from?[edit]

Lexaxis7 wrote: "Most of the members who joined before the end of World War II were first-generation Americans who strongly believed in progressive political and social causes."

This has remained intact. Putting aside the relative clause, note the claim that most of the members who joined before the end of World War II were first-generation Americans.

Jamesmcardle later added a list of members. There's no indication of who joined when. However, if asked to use this list as evidence and to complete the sentence "Most of the members were from ______", I'd say "the New York area". Yes, a substantial number were first-generation Americans, but I find it very hard to square the statement with the list.

Lexaxis7, Jamesmcardle, comments? -- Hoary (talk) 00:51, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What about changing it to "many", rather than "most"? I see this in Time: "Many of its founding members, including Sid Grossman, Sol Libsohn and Aaron Siskind, were first-generation Jewish immigrants with progressive, left-wing sensibilities." And this Google books entry: "New York Jewish backgrounds that seldom needed articulation also linked members of the Photo League. Many grew up as children of immigrant parents". There are plenty of other sources that say something similar-- but none say "most".ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:11, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good! -- Hoary (talk) 01:16, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done. -- Hoary (talk) 01:29, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that accords with my reading so far. Incidentally, Klein, Mason; Evans, Catherine; Jewish Museum (New York, N.Y.); Columbus Museum of Art (2011), The radical camera : New York's Photo League, 1936-1951, Yale University Press, ISBN 978-0-300-14687-5 gives bios of four women in the League, who were respectively from Indianapolis, ' a native New Yorker', the Bronx and Brooklyn. It's my intention to chase up each of the (more significant) members' biographies to create WP articles for those that do not yet have them...that will answer the origin question decisively, with actual numbers. Such extraordinarily good photography produced by the League...they deserve more than the article currently covers. Someone else may like to help with producing their bios...it's not something I'll get onto before I've finished with some Australian photography entries...more my field (I've never set foot in America). Thank you for your work Lexaxis7 and Hoary. Jamesmcardle^(talk) 02:21, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes we have a bit a hole in terms of coverage when it comes to the Photo League. It is pretty easy to find league members who have works in the Met but no article. I Have been working on creating articles for the women, albeit haphazardly: Lucy Ashjian, Sonia Handelman Meyer Vivian Cherry Ida Wyman and Sandra Weiner so far. Weiner also wrote semi-political kid's books. They were all amazing!ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:30, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]