Talk:National Eisteddfod of Wales

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Location[edit]

If the location "is proclaimed a year in advance", how is it possible that the venue for 2008 (Cardiff) is already listed on the page? --Casper Gutman 10:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fair question. In fact, the locations are known a lot further ahead than that, because it takes a lot longer than a year to organise. But the official proclamation is different from knowing where it's going to be. The official proclamation is a Gorsedd ceremony: at a stone circle, with horns and flower dances and flowing robes and and a banner and "A oes heddwch?" (is there peace?). After this ceremony the texts for the competitions become available. That's what the "proclaimed a year in advance" refers to.
But to get that far, there has already been lots of organising: those texts had to be set and approved, for example. On the Eisteddfod website at the moment (writing in 2006) are details planning the 2008 one: they want all their texts done by January 2007. There's also fund-raising (the local community must provide a proportion of the running costs, and it's a good idea to start early), finalising the site, inviting judges, commissioning the making of the prizes, and, really, anything that takes more than a year to organise has already long started.
Telsa (talk) 14:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Diolch! I suspected it'd be something similar but thought the current page vaguely confusing. Maybe someone with more knowledge than me will clarify it some time. --Casper Gutman 23:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There you go, a bit more in the article now. Hope it's better. If not, feel free to fix :) Telsa (talk) 17:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just rating this for the Wales project... I suggest it should be high importance, but is just a start class at the moment. --Cynnydd 11:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

History[edit]

A section on the history and origins of the Eisteddfod would be useful. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:27, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The 'Lost' 1789 - 1880 Eisteddfodau?[edit]

A new user has just added the following Eisteddfodau from 1789 to 1880. I'm inclined to think its vandalism but don't want to delete to if not (edit they are good faith edits).--Rhyswynne (talk) 11:59, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Used:RhysDdu has provided a source for the dates (here here and here), but these refer to: "the Gwyneddigion Eisteddfodau ; The Provincial Eisteddfodau 1819-1834 ; The Abergavenny Eisteddfodau 1834-1851". As these are not officially National Eisteddfodau (with a capital 'N'), I think they should be removed.--Rhyswynne (talk) 13:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree on deleting those ones before 1861; the events after that are listed on the National Eisteddfod history site (see also this history of the early eisteddfodau for the 150th anniversary in 2011). The establishment date in the infobox should also be set to 1861 rather than 1176 to reflect the fact that this article is about a specific set of eisteddfodau rather than the concept in general. Gareth (talk) 14:20, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. I've added the early eisteddfodau before 1880 and made some small style changes. The 1940 Radio Eisteddfod was listed as Bangor, but this wasn't in the BBC Cymru source cited: the Eisteddfod Genedlaethol website gives it as Aberpennar. Feel free to change it back if you can find a source for it. Note also the 1878 and 1879 Birkenhead eisteddfodau are listed with a question mark: if the Eisteddfod Genedlaethol can't verify that then I don't know who will, but feel free to correct if you know of a source. Gareth (talk) 17:17, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"National Eisteddfod venues"[edit]

The current section does not list venues it only names places. For instance Birkenhead is not a venue it's a place. And as Birkenhead is a town, the Eisteddfod was held at a venue within the town, that was in this case: Birkenhead Park.

Likewise Old Colwyn is a place, it is not a venue. The Eisteddfod at Old Colwyn was was held at Eirias Park.

The whole section is meaningless. It lists places or areas that hosted Eisteddfods but it doesn't name a single "venue". Either the section should be rewritten, listing the actual venues where the Eisteddfods were held (which would be more encyclopaedic because it would be linking a notable historical event with a historic venue) or it should simply be lazily renamed "National Eisteddfod locations".

Either way, as it is now, the above section is nothing but a improperly-named travel gazette. 81.129.200.58 (talk) 09:19, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the definition of "venue" from Oxford Dictionaries: "The place where something happens, especially an organized event such as a concert, conference, or sports competition". That aside, I think "National Eisteddfod locations" would be closer to the mark; I certainly don't see anything "lazy" about it as in my experience people often refer to individual Eisteddfodau by the name of the towns (etc.) in which they were held. You're welcome to research every "venue" if you like‍—‌you'll note that two are already on the list‍—‌but there's nothing "meaningless" about the current list of locations. Ham (talk) 11:21, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that "National Eisteddfod Locations" might be a better title. If someone wants to add the actual venues, that's fine, but I agree that when people talk about Eisteddfodau, they invariably refer to them by the name of the town, area, etc. Hogyn Lleol (talk) 16:56, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Royal National Eisteddod[edit]

The National Eisteddfod is (or was) sometimes referred to as the "Royal National Eisteddfod of Wales":

  • "Royal National Eisteddfod of Wales". BBC. 2 August 1983.
  • Miles, Dillwyn (1977). The Royal National Eisteddfod of Wales. Swansea: C. Davies. ISBN 978-0715403235.

Presumably the "Royal" designation was authorised by a monarch. Has this designation been dropped, and if so when? It does not appear on the Eisteddfod website. Verbcatcher (talk) 22:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The Awards and competitions[edit]

The article doesn't explain any of the events that take place at the Eisteddfod. Sections on the competitions/awards/medals and the Gorsedd ceremonies/awards (explaining what makes them different from the numerous other competitions/awards) would be helpful. Perhaps a seaction on the maes and its areas would be useful, and a section about Maes B. — Preceding unsigned comment added by M.T.S.W.A. (talk • contribs) 16:33, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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