Talk:Mischief Makers/Archive 1

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Is there any special term for the "three hole" faces everything in Mischief Makers have? I mean, I've seen this sort of face a lot in Japanese games, on cactuar, and the Gyroid in Animal Crossing.... is it based on something from Japanese folklore? J.J. 17:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, The Shy Guys in Super Mario Bros. 2 (U.S.). -R

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Why do the Beastectors only speak in passive voice? 128.175.205.133 01:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

why does it say the old man is perverted?

Because he is. Have you played the game? Prof. Theo's always trying to cop a feel off Marina.

Prof. Theo makes a robot who's main abilities are to "grab" and "shake". Enough said.

216.19.236.170 18:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mischief Makers/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 17:04, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I'll take this review. I mainly focus on copy editing issues but I'll be looking through refs too. Thanks. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 17:04, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

@Jaguar, cool. Any update? czar ♔ 21:51, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

So sorry Czar, I've had exams all week and I should have told you. I'll finish this review first thing tomorrow morning is that alright? ☠ Jaguar ☠ 22:23, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Of course—just wanted to check in. No rush czar ♔ 23:34, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:

Initial comments

Lead

"Treasure began the game's development in mid 1995 with interest in the console's features although they knew little about it" - little about what? The console or the development?
Other than this the lead summarises the article and complies per WP:LEAD. I've also made a minor adjustment.

Gameplay

"His creation, the player-character Ultra-InterGalactic-Cybot G Marina Liteyears pursues the professor and grabs" - doesn't make good sense, how about protagonist?

Development

"At the time, they knew little about the Nintendo 64's final technical specifications, graphics implementation" - can you put some of this information in the lead? In the lead it just says "they know little about it"!
"but found the development environment restrictive and left on a mission to "just ... create great games"" - what's with the ellipsis?
I have the feeling that some parts of this section just feels like it was taken out of a journal/magazine, it reads like it's slightly informal and not encyclopedic. For example phrases like "but the team was "just curious" about the console" and "As for their looks, Treasure CEO Maegawa felt that the company..."?

Reception

"Dan of Electronic Gaming Monthly wrote that the game is "definitely a sleeper hit"" - Dan who?
The prose of this section is generally good though as it is mostly made up of direct quotes, so it meets the GA criteria. The citations are also in the correct places.

References

There are no dead links.
The article uses reliable references and all the citations are in the correct place, so this meets the GA criteria.

On hold

Sorry for coming to this very late. It usually takes me less than a day to review articles but I should have told you I was taking time off. Anyway, the article generally meets the GA criteria, however before it can be promoted there are a few things that needs to be attended to. Some parts of the prose needs to be improved (as I said in the comments) and some parts of the Development section should be copy edited. However these concerns aren't too major, once they have been addressed this could pass. I'll put this on hold for the standard seven days. If you have any questions please ask! ☠ Jaguar ☠ 17:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

@Jaguar, I think I've addressed everything above save for the following responses: (1) "player-character" is a more accurate term, and its use sets up later uses of the term later in the article, and (2) the ellipsis is to show that text was removed from the direct quote czar ♔ 17:50, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Close - promoted

Thank you for addressing them so quickly. The article has definitely improved; the prose is in better standing, the sources are reliable and all sections meet the GA criteria. I'll promote this one. Apologies for the late review too - I'm taking a long break from Wikipedia now. Player-character does sound better in this case, you're right. Also that quote is OK too - that might just have been my own mistake! ☠ Jaguar ☠ 15:13, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Keep the Catchphases

I'm putting back the Catchphases in becase during gameplay, I found a little hard understanding what they were saying. For instance, When the beastsectors say "beast change!" I thought they said "engage!" Also, when putting in catchphases, it is referring to when they speak, not a catchphrase in text. "THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED!" 04:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, this isn't a guide to help people hear what the characters say. They are presented in a very unencyclopedic manner. Unless you can incorporate them into the article in a relevent way, do not add them again. 199.126.137.209 13:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

have you played the game?? Its VERY hard to understand what their saying. the catchphraes ARE relevent, let alond someone has agreed. "THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED!" 02:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

It may be a bit late to be saying this, but this would fit in well on a Wikiquote page. Caswin 19:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

DYK nomination

{{Did you know nominations/Mischief Makers}} czar ♔ 04:56, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Revert

Hi @Angeldeb82, with the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, it's better to bring a matter to talk page after a new change is reverted the first time (rather than going back and forth in an edit war). As for your questions (Why do you cause a redirect to the Famitsu link and remove the Edge magazine score?), there is nothing wrong with using a redirect that leads to another article (see the guideline on redirects that are not broken) and it is preferable in that the target of the redirect might change down the line. I mentioned in the edit summary that the Edge score was removed because it wasn't elaborated in the prose. Per the {{video game reviews}} template documentation, we don't just put numbers in the box without elaboration in the prose. It also says that we don't need more than a handful of reviews unless there is some extenuating reason, so it doesn't make sense to add the Edge review unless it is covering some specific angle that the article is missing. If you find this agreeable, please revert your edit at your leisure czar ♔ 19:32, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, I had to fix the redirect, add italics to game sites, including IGN, and remove the Edge score, so I hope you can forgive me. --Angeldeb82 (talk) 19:35, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Fix what redirect? Nintendo World Report was best off as is, not piped to its current target. IGN is contested as needing italics because some say it isn't a magazine/news site czar ♔ 20:41, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Why? All that the Nintendo World Report article does is redirect to Billy Berghammer. --Angeldeb82 (talk) 22:34, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Right, and the guideline on links that aren't broken says to leave them as redirects rather than "fixing" them with a pipe. Anyway, thanks for the edits. I don't have a copy of the Edge review and would be curious to see what more we can take from it—would you be able email or link a scan/photo of it? czar ♔ 00:04, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

TFA

The 20th anniversary of release (June 27, 2017) would be a good time to run this article for "today's featured article". czar ⨹ 23:35, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

January surge

Big surge in traffic following a AGDQ proposal. Not notable enough for inclusion, though. czar ⨹ 00:15, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

I'll note that it was widely covered, though:

– czar 23:29, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Famitsu

For posterity, I requested a translation of the Famitsu review (which, let me tell you, was a struggle to track down), and the result is available here. – czar 00:17, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

GameSpot 1997

https://archive.org/details/edgeuk044/page/n41

https://web.archive.org/web/19991111004039/http://headline.gamespot.com/news/97_07/01_yukeyuke/index.html

Nothing new to add from this source, but thanks, @JimmyBlackwing! czar 21:10, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Mischief Makers doujin book

Yesterday, the very rare and elusive Mischief Makers doujin book containing artwork by Tetsuhiko "Han" Kikuchi was uploaded online, containing some pretty neat artwork that might be useful for the development section... Trouble Shooting! Roberth Martinez (talk) 00:04, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Nice! Thanks. The sketches are interesting, but I think they would only be decorative in the Development section unless the accompanying text has a related revelation about the character design that I cannot translate. czar 10:31, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

One thing that i forgot to mention is that there is also unused concepts such as Marina's sisters. Roberth Martinez (talk) 22:47, 22 July 2020 (UTC)